Chinese Anti-Ship Ballistic Missile

[reallife]

It was only a matter of time....https://www.usni.org/forthemedia/ChineseKillWeapon.asp

As a Naval Reserve officer this concerns me greatly, but this should disturb every citizen. If one of our carriers was attacked by an ASBM, I am certain that we would retaliate with profound devastation of the attacking nation. The carriers are considered 'sovereign territory' and are absolutely critical to forward projection of US power and defense of the homeland. This is a very disturbing development.....:eek:

[kartius919]

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Thought this was old news? Don't the Russians and Iranians have these as well?

[aaron]

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It seems to me a tactical nuke would take out a carrier group, and this technology has been around for decades. Carrier groups are not very useful against a real military. They are a relic. In other words, a carrier group is only useful for attacking puny states.

[halcyon]

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It was only a matter of time....https://www.usni.org/forthemedia/ChineseKillWeapon.asp

Thanks for the news-bit.

I have a different take however.

Obama has vowed to cut defense spending. The navy, military and air force are running scared. The defense budget cut models spread around by force units are scary - for them.

At times like these, they conjure up an old trick from their back of tricks:

"Oh no, the [insert your favorite enemy] have now gotten a/an [insert your favorite new 'threat' weapon]. We are all doomed"

Then they say the only way to defend is to get more funding to build an anti-weapon or defense against that weapon.

They they get money, they go over-budget and more money is spent on that.

Result: less cuts come through.

Missiong accomplished.

Please keep this in mind when the next scare from the defense sector comes: there'll be plenty of them until the current administration backs off on cuts.

It's just budget politics, that's all.

[reallife]

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It seems to me a tactical nuke would take out a carrier group, and this technology has been around for decades. Carrier groups are not very useful against a real military. They are a relic. In other words, a carrier group is only useful for attacking puny states.

Not true. Carrier groups are not relics. We project power throughout the world based on our carriers. Not only against puny states but powerful adversaries and friends alike.

Of course, you are right, a tactical nuke could take out a carrier but the difficulty lies in delivery. The weapon could be deployed by cruise missile but these are easily defeated with current naval technology. An ASBM travelling up to 2000 km in 12 minutes with manouverability would be a very potent delivery system beyond our current defensive technologies. The deterence is that we have tacitly guarenteed destruction of any nation that attacks a US sovereign carrier group with ASBMs. That China might have proceeded with development is very disturbing. :eek:

[reallife]

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Thought this was old news? Don't the Russians and Iranians have these as well?

You are confusing cruise missiles with ASBMs. Two very different weapon delivery systems by orders of magnitude.

[reallife]

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Thanks for the news-bit.

I have a different take however.

Obama has vowed to cut defense spending. The navy, military and air force are running scared. The defense budget cut models spread around by force units are scary - for them.

At times like these, they conjure up an old trick from their back of tricks:

"Oh no, the [insert your favorite enemy] have now gotten a/an [insert your favorite new 'threat' weapon]. We are all doomed"

Then they say the only way to defend is to get more funding to build an anti-weapon or defense against that weapon.

They they get money, they go over-budget and more money is spent on that.

Result: less cuts come through.

Missiong accomplished.

Please keep this in mind when the next scare from the defense sector comes: there'll be plenty of them until the current administration backs off on cuts.

It's just budget politics, that's all.

Thanks for the lecture but what if you are wrong....?

[aaron]

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Didn't one of the Chinese subs pop up in the middle of a U.S. carrier group? I really think you are a bit too worried about this missile. The Chinese already have the capabilities to defend themselves against the U.S. navy.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...red-faced.html

[mfyahya]

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Thought this was old news? Don't the Russians and Iranians have these as well?

I don't know about Iranian anti-ship ballistic missiles, but they do have low altitude (20 meter!) Moskit missiles, as well as high speed (360km/h+) super cavitating torpedoes based on the Russian Shkval

[reallife]

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Didn't one of the Chinese subs pop up in the middle of a U.S. carrier group? I really think you are a bit too worried about this missile. The Chinese already have the capabilities to defend themselves against the U.S. navy.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...red-faced.html

An ASBM is not a defensive weapon. It is an offensive first-strike weapon with no defensive technology other than massive retaliation. Very scary escalation IMHO.

[reallife]

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I don't know about Iranian anti-ship ballistic missiles, but they do have low altitude (20 meter!) Moskit missiles, as well as high speed (360km/h+) super cavitating torpedoes based on the Russian Shkval

We have the ability to defeat these weapons with certainty. The Moskit can travel around 2000 km/ hour for a range of only 120-140 km. A carrier is not likely to ever be within range of a Moskit or a Shkval torpedo. Not even in peacetime. At 2000 km/hour the Moskit is fast but not nearly as fast as ASBM that can travel 2000 km in 12 minutes. That is an average speed of 10,000 km/hour with a range of 2000 km. An ASBM is another animal entirely.

As for the super-cavitating torpedoes, we have developed effective counter measures in the distant past. They don't have the range or the speed of an ASBM.

An ABSM attack on a US carrier would be an act of war resulting in total devastation of the launching nation. That is why this is such a frightening development.

[reallife]

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Didn't one of the Chinese subs pop up in the middle of a U.S. carrier group? I really think you are a bit too worried about this missile. The Chinese already have the capabilities to defend themselves against the U.S. navy.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...red-faced.html

BTW, you don't think the Chinese sub was undetected prior to surfacing do you? If the sub had taken any offensive posture against the carrier force it would have 'disappeared' within seconds and no one except the highest levels of the nations involved would have ever known about it.

[BiscayneSunrise]

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BTW, you don't think the Chinese sub was undetected prior to surfacing do you? If the sub had taken any offensive posture against the carrier force it would have 'disappeared' within seconds and no one except the highest levels of the nations involved would have ever known about it.

Right. Just like the cat and mouse games the US & Soviet Subs played in the Cold War. Occasionally, they'd accidentally bump into each other. All, good, clean fun but deadly serious practice for the real thing.

The Chinese are certainly increasing their Naval strength. Question: Is it to defend their increasingly long supply lines or for offensive operations? Or both?

I disagree with a relatively major point made in the article. It said that the US has no defense against ballistic missiles. Didn't the Lake Erie prove, when it shot down the failing spy satellite, that the US Navy, does indeed have the capability to shoot down a ballistic missile?

[tombat1913]

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BTW, you don't think the Chinese sub was undetected prior to surfacing do you? If the sub had taken any offensive posture against the carrier force it would have 'disappeared' within seconds and no one except the highest levels of the nations involved would have ever known about it.

Oh give me a break commando. The Chinese sub absolutely was undetected, every time we did war games on the POS Nimitz the subs went undetected and sunk us to the bottom of the deep blue. Carriers never win.

[vanvaley1]

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Ok. I give up. Bring all the troopers and equipment home.