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    http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/01/bu...l?ref=business

    Asian Data Shows Severity of Slump

    HONG KONG — As world leaders assembled in London for the Group of 20 summit meeting this week, the latest evidence of the severity of the economic crisis emerged from Asia on Wednesday, with business confidence in Japan plummeting to a record low, South Korean exports falling for a fifth consecutive month and a manufacturing index deteriorating in China.

    The data from three of the largest Asian economies underscored a picture of slumping exports and production, and hammered home that despite some recent signs that the situation may have stopped deteriorating in parts of the world, the global economy remained in the middle of the worst downturn in decades.

    The so-called Tankan survey in Japan — a closely watched quarterly poll by the Bank of Japan measuring sentiment among big manufacturers — plummeted to -58 in March from -24 in December, the lowest level since the survey began in 1974.

    The reading, which was worse than economists had projected, came as the Japanese economy continued to shrink at a time of tumbling exports and weak domestic demand. Japanese exports, which make up about one-third of the overall economy, fell by nearly half in January and February, in part because the yen’s strength has made Japanese goods more expensive for consumers abroad.

    South Korea has also had to grapple with falling exports, though the pace of decline there has been much less severe than in Japan. Fresh data Wednesday showed overseas shipments in March had fallen 21.2 percent from a year earlier. Imports slumped 36 percent.

    In China, a purchasing managers index compiled by the brokerage C.L.S.A. slipped back in March, to 44.8, down from 45.1 in February, snapping a three-month streak of tentative improvement. It was the eighth month in a row that the reading had come in below 50, which is the dividing line between expansion and contraction.

    The discouraging data follows downward revisions at several leading institutions’ growth forecasts for the year. On Tuesday, the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development said it expected the economies of its 30 member states to contract 4.3 percent this year, rather than by the 0.4 percent it forecast last November.

    “The global recession will worsen this year before a policy-induced recovery gradually builds momentum through 2010,” the O.E.C.D. said in its report.

    The Asia-Pacific region was relatively well insulated from the financial turmoil that began in the United States in 2007. It began to be caught by the global downdraft only toward the end of last year — months after the United States and Europe — and many of the economies in the region, notably China’s and India’s, will still see significant, though slower, growth this year.

    Still, the data Wednesday indicate that the global slump has months to run. Moreover, economists say that the labor market, already bad, is set to deteriorate as companies face intense pressure to scale back costs and output.

    This, in turn, will put added pressure on government finances already strained by the stimulus and bailout packages that countries around the world have put in place.

    Japan, in particular, is in severe straits, with economists projecting that the first quarter of the business year, which started Wednesday, showed yet another deep contraction. Prime Minister Taro Aso has pledged to compile an added stimulus package by mid-April, adding to two previous plans totaling ¥10 trillion, or $101 billion.

    The Tankan survey results, Credit Suisse economists said in a note Wednesday, “confirm that the Japanese economy is facing an extremely difficult predicament, with many indicators hitting their worst levels on record.”

    They also said forecasts for the quarter ahead suggested that corporate sentiment might not worsen, but it would be “quite some time” before any significant upturn came in the real economy, because corporate earnings kept deteriorating and production capacity and employment levels were considered “highly excessive.”

    By contrast, recent data from South Korea has had a silver lining. Its export data showed Wednesday that the pace of decline had slowed from previous months. And factory output data for February, released Tuesday, showed an increase from a month earlier.

    Stock markets in Asia took the bleak economic picture in stride. The Nikkei 225 index in Japan rallied nearly 3 percent and the Kospi in South Korea rose 2.25 percent. Stocks in mainland China rose 1.47 percent in Shanghai, and 1.87 percent in Shenzhen.

    But the performance was mixed across the region, with the Hang Seng index in Hong Kong falling 0.42 percent. The Straits Times index in Singapore inched 0.33 percent higher, while the S&P/ASX 200 in Australia both edged 0.07 percent lower.

  • #2
    Re: Japan is kaput.

    Is it time to consider the possibility that the FIRE economy created a world wide bubble in standards-of-living and economic activity that may not be equaled for decades or generations? Maybe we're in for a complete re-set of economic activity and individual expectations. Has the Japanese mindset changed in any way as a result of their lost decade, which now looks like it may become a lost generation?
    "...the western financial system has already failed. The failure has just not yet been realized, while the system remains confident that it is still alive." Jesse

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    • #3
      Re: Japan is kaput.

      Japan is getting its nose further and further ground in by its reliance on the US.

      As I've noted many times before - the rewards Japan got for being a faithful vassal to the US seem to be getting repaid with high compound interest; the question is how much longer Japan is going to take it.

      Job losses are escalating, currency account has turned negative, US ability to control China increasingly at question, and Japan US$ reserves being eroded at an alarming rate purchasing power wise.

      Japan's government joining the US inflation faction is also not going to be very popular with the aged Japanese population which personally remembers the last inflationary episode and its aftermath.

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      • #4
        Re: Japan is kaput.

        Japan's problems are related to FIRE but are also existential. The main problem in the country is that their is so little confidence in the culture as a whole and thus little energy has been expended to protect critical cultural institutions, starting with the family. The shock of the atomic bombs is ever with the Japanese, and the Japanese are both deeply ashamed of the reckless policies that brought them into a war they could not win, yet also prone to perfect self-pity as regards the bombs. Even as the FIRE economy grew paper wealth, the family continued to decline and, eventually, women stopped having children. The demographics of that society are such that the people will be functionally extinct in 30 years. As this was going on, the government covered the countryside in endless cement (read Looking for the Lost) as a means of 'revitalizing' rural areas.

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        • #5
          salariiman senryu

          Some of the entries in this year's Sarariiman Senryu contest (Daiichi Sei- mei lnsurance Company started a nationwide senryu contest in 1987, specifically about the sarariiman's life.)

          It has been a while
          Again we queue and
          hunt for jobs
          A class reunion
          -Tenki

          The yen is surging
          I long for its benefits
          But have no fortune
          -Noshonagon

          As work disappears
          My vacation days
          increase
          There's no home
          for me
          -Freeloader



          Japan may be kaput, but peoples' perceptions are as sharp as ever. . .

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          • #6
            Re: salariiman senryu

            Originally posted by KGW View Post
            Some of the entries in this year's Sarariiman Senryu contest (Daiichi Sei- mei lnsurance Company started a nationwide senryu contest in 1987, specifically about the sarariiman's life.)

            It has been a while
            Again we queue and
            hunt for jobs
            A class reunion
            -Tenki

            The yen is surging
            I long for its benefits
            But have no fortune
            -Noshonagon

            As work disappears
            My vacation days
            increase
            There's no home
            for me
            -Freeloader



            Japan may be kaput, but peoples' perceptions are as sharp as ever. . .
            Uplifting. Are these from their Department of Tourism or Department of Economic Development?
            "...the western financial system has already failed. The failure has just not yet been realized, while the system remains confident that it is still alive." Jesse

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            • #7
              Re: salariiman senryu

              I think the Japanese economy is pretty sound, but to dependent on the US and European markets. They are certainly in a far better position than the US or the UK, I think due to low consumer debt levels.

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              • #8
                Re: Japan is kaput.

                I lived in Japan for many years and just recently returned to Canada. I can confirm that most of the Japanese I know, from salarymen to business owners to young people to the retired and the highly educated have largely lost hope for the future. The public mood has changed dramatically over the last few years. You can feel it. And the country is in many ways a shambles. It is sad to see a country that I so love headed for an unhappy ending, both economically and demographically, but that is the reality I’m afraid. My Japanese wife and I plan to retire in Okinawa someday when property prices have fallen through the floor. I don’t believe in the possibility of another Japanese miracle and neither do the Japanese.
                Last edited by FRED; April 08, 2009, 01:11 PM. Reason: Formatting

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                • #9
                  Re: Japan is kaput.

                  I really want to know from someone who has been there who doesnt have some hidden agenda, what is the macro life on the street for J6P look like in Japan? Say an electrician, a technician at sony, a school teacher etc.

                  How are they surviving? Are they going to go into foreclosure like J6P in the U.S. is? Are they having to forego medical procedures? Are they having to reduce their energy consumption greatly becasue they cant afford it? The reason I ask is how has their economic implosion effected them? Will we in the U.S. travel the same path?

                  so far it looks like our policy makers are going down the same road. bail outs public spending protecting zombie banks. However we rely on external financing, do not have a culture of thrift and have global military reach. how does our story end?

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                  • #10
                    Re: salariiman senryu

                    Originally posted by nero3 View Post
                    I think the Japanese economy is pretty sound,
                    You are indeed an optimist nero.

                    From the data I read here, things do not look so good.

                    Also, if things are "pretty sound" as you say, why is the Japanese FM drunk in public?

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                    • #11
                      Re: Japan is kaput.

                      "Are they having to forego medical procedures?"

                      I can't understand how that could be possible when the gov't mandates extremly low costs to the patient. Unless most of the doctors have quit from low pay (which is a trend) and you simply can not find health care (excepting the black market).

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                      • #12
                        Re: Japan is kaput.

                        Japan has "good bones". The problem with Japan is that they reached a certain level of growth by being an exporting nation to the US and they haven't been able to shed that paradigm when it isn't working

                        Japan has recieved so little for its economic contributions to the US. In the late 80s Japan realized it had a problem. Although trade with the US was good and profitable, it was also non beneficiary. They export a Toyota car and import an American? You see there wasn't any "trade" going on, just debt instruments backed by monetary units.

                        So the Japanese in an attempt to avoid this nasty reality, decided to purchase inflated American real estate in a noble attempt at "investing" in the US. Well they lost their shirt on that one, but STILL refused to take the necessary steps to guarrantee TRADE with the America.

                        The Japanese are extremely co-dependent on a country that has a spending problem. They dutifully produce things for us and then lose the proceeds by investing in us. I was in Japan in 1987 at possibly the height of Japanese economic prowess. The scene looked markedly futuristic by our standards possibly by 20 years or more, it was amazing! Fast forward 20 years and the pictures I see look almost exactly like I saw when I was there before, there has been NO progress.

                        The long suffering Japanese hopefully will follow the example of the Chinese, who having the Japanese as an example will not repeat the same mistakes. These industrius eastern asian nations need to realize that trade is a two way event. That exportation is only preferable in as much as you can import from your trading partner otherwise just provide for your own people and stop propping up non productive trading partners.

                        Japan and the US have both been on the MAD (mutally assured destructive) trading relationship. The Japanese are going to suffer from their misallocation of capital used for production and the US is going to suffer from their misallocation used for consumption.

                        Both parties are going to be losers and ironically are reliant on the other for their own demise. Hopefully this ends soon and the transition is orderly so we can get on with having an exchange of goods based on competitive advantages and mutual benefit.

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                        • #13
                          Re: salariiman senryu

                          Originally posted by LargoWinch View Post
                          Also, if things are "pretty sound" as you say, why is the Japanese FM drunk in public?
                          Celebrating his "pretty good" economy...obviously.
                          "...the western financial system has already failed. The failure has just not yet been realized, while the system remains confident that it is still alive." Jesse

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                          • #14
                            Re: Japan is kaput.

                            Japan is dead because the same families have owned EVERYTHING since the end of the Meiji era.

                            There's no reason to breed into slavery, and so no one has children. There's no political freedom, and so again, people vote with their bodies: they don't reproduce.

                            Japan needs a social revolution, and I don't use that word to be cute. The capital and wealth is too concentrated to provide any incentive for Wasabi 6-pack.

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                            • #15
                              Re: Japan is kaput.

                              Originally posted by phirang View Post
                              Japan is dead because the same families have owned EVERYTHING since the end of the Meiji era.

                              There's no reason to breed into slavery, and so no one has children. There's no political freedom, and so again, people vote with their bodies: they don't reproduce.

                              Japan needs a social revolution, and I don't use that word to be cute. The capital and wealth is too concentrated to provide any incentive for Wasabi 6-pack.
                              Why don't they vote to make it more socialistic ? like FDR taxed wealthy with 70% tax rate ? Is it their cultural restraint ? I did not know that Japanese wealth was concentrated, but have heard they have a very serious population shrinkage

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