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    Friends -

    I am sensing some more movement to the upside to S&P 1000. Is it possible that the S&P will bow a little, then take in all the bears who will short and then rip them badly on the way up ? Any Implication on S&P from the FASB Vote on Mark-to-Market on April 2nd.

    Nadeem Walayat thinks so. He was very right at S&P 666.

    [quote="Nadeem Walayat"]

    Stocks Stealth Bull Market Carpet Bombs the Bears
    Mar 24, 2009 - 01:09 AM

    Stocks Stealth Bull Market Update 2- The stealth bull market in a not quite as stealthy manner as I would have liked decided to carpet bomb the bears with a powerful 500 point up thrust that has left many speculators and analysts that are not participating in the rally stunned into inaction as the smart investors continued to accumulate in the face of overwhelming majority of frightened investors to scared to participate in the face of continuing overwhelming bearish data and mis-information most notably evident in the consensus that stock prices will revert to below the mean in terms of corporate earnings.

    The mass media jumped on the rally as being as a consequence of the program to remove $1 trillion of bad assets from bank books, however had stocks fallen then the same headlines would have been used to explain the decline. This again reinforces the view to Ignore the Fundamentals ! The News ! The Media ! Just go with the Price !
    MSNBC States - "Analysts who have seen the market's recent false starts are still hesitant to say Wall Street is indeed recovering from the collapse that began last fall." - Yes because this IS a Stealth Stocks Bull Market and that is HOW Wall Street analysts and small investors are expected to behave so that they MISS the first 20%, 30%, 40% perhaps 50% and then are left waiting for the second coming... The Retest!
    The Dow's close at 7776 now puts the Dow up by 20% from its bear market bottom of 6470, a brief recap of analysis to date:

    1. Stocks Bear market Bottom forecast - 20th Jan 2009 - Target 6,600. Warning that the bear market bottom WILL be accompanied by overwhelming and highly convincing bearish fundamentals that speculators / investors will need to ignore to prevent themselves from missing out on the BOTTOM.

    2. Stocks Bear Market Target Fulfilled - 8th March 2009 - Dow 6526. Preparing for a spike higher that was expected to trigger the first of a series of buy triggers to start accumulating - As you MUST WAIT for Entry Triggers, so as to give the trades a greater probability of success, and again the message to IGNORE the media / fundamentals.

    3. Stocks Stealth Bull Market Born - 15th March 2009 - Dow Bear Market Bottom confirmed on multiple buy triggers during the week - Warning to ignore the fundamentals or should I say fundamentalism, bearish commentary and in many cases double speak in favour to reacting to the ACTUAL PRICE movements.
    I have received many emails comments regarding buy / sell triggers, however it is pointless having triggers to act on if one does not have the confidence to pull them AT THE TIME, you are only going to get the confidence to act on triggers IF YOU GENERATE THEM YOURSELVES ! Therefore it is no good for readers to feed off such triggers, as everything can be second guessed AFTER the fact, AS there should be NO second guessing at the TIME the PRICE HITS the Triggers, the whole point if having triggers is for Black or White decisions not shades of gray, which requires the trader to be in a state of mind where at the point in time that price hits the triggers one is 100% confident and committed to executing the trades WITHOUT thought. In this respect I do intend to write a book that will lay out my methodology and eventually at walayatstreet.com, readers can learn by example and PRACTICE, the importance of training yourself to trust in the process of initiating market positions based on self generated prices triggers and then rely on the price action to either reinforce (accumulate) market positions or distribute (liquidate) market positions. Which basically means the reason why you entered is not nearly as important as how you act once the position is on! Instead, I would guess that many reading this tend to be consumed by second guessing a position AFTER it has been initiated. Click here to post / view comments on the Stealth Bull Market.

    Stock Market Retest of the Lows ?

    Yes off course there will be correction against this powerful up-thrust, in fact if I think about it, I am generating tighter sell triggers than earlier in the rally which gave the positions room to breath, which implies that the correction IS IMMINENT. The decline should be just enough to convince of the mass of prevailing bearish commentaries that the retest of the low is actually going to happen, which therefore suggests a correction of as much as 33% of the RALLY (i.e. move from 6470), just enough, just enough to get the shorts in before the Stealth Bull market lets rip with the next powerful shock and awe rally.

    Bull Market Year End Target

    My original analysis suggested 30% gain off the low by year end, though last week I did state that a rally of 50% by year end would not surprise me. However this early in the trend and without actually witnessing a significant correction so far, it is not easy to extrapolate an year end target other than the 20% break higher in less than 3 weeks is suggestive of an eventual rally that is nearer 50% by year end. Robert Pretcher gave his take on the prospects for a Bear Market Bottom or not in a 30 minute video that can be freely viewed.

    U.S. Dollar Imminent Collapse.. Again? - Update 5

    The fall in the U.S. Dollar in the wake of the "Quantitative Easing" headlines has brought the Dollar collapse proponents back out of hibernation. However the actual dollar trend has shown little if any deviation from the road map of 20th Jan 09 as illustrated by the below original price chart which therefore at this point in time does not warrant an indepth update.


    The USD continuous to target a move to USD 81, my own view is that there will be some overshoot to the downside to perhaps 79 in advance of the next leg higher. Again, I say at this point in time contrary to the dollar doom calls there is little evidence on the charts that the USD Bull Market has ended as the Dollar continues to consolidate during the first half of 2009 as originally envisaged, and therefore my expectations remain for the Dollar to bounce off of the low in the region of USD 79-80. So Dollar Collapse Hunters BEWARE!
    More analysis on the USD
    1. March 2008 - Dollar Bear Market Bottom called, initial target of 80. ( DELEVERAGING- Gold and Commodities Teetering on the Brink of a Bear Market?)
    2. August 2008 - Dollar Base building complete - breakout targeting USD 80 ( The US Dollar Bull Market )
    3. October 2008 - Expecting USD to correct after rallying to between 87and 90, targeting support at 80, to be followed by a resumption of the up trend targeting USD 92. ( U.S. Dollar Bull Market Update )
    4. January 2009 - USD Sideways consolidation with an upward bias for the first half of 2009 (US Dollar Bull Market 2009 Update 4) [quote]

  • #2
    Re: Can I get a S&P 1000 ?

    I think the perfect response is over to your right on front page.

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    • #3
      Re: Can I get a S&P 1000 ?

      Friends - Now that Dollar Index has hit 80, as per this Nadeem's March 24th 2009 Article - is it time for Dollar to rise again ? I think it will rise. I am also itching to buy some call options for TLT. I'll decide that on Tuesday.

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        Re: Can I get a S&P 1000 ?

        Originally posted by sishya View Post
        Friends - Now that Dollar Index has hit 80, as per this Nadeem's March 24th 2009 Article - is it time for Dollar to rise again ? I think it will rise. I am also itching to buy some call options for TLT. I'll decide that on Tuesday.
        my butt is itchy. does that mean the dollar will fall?

        seriously... why do you think the dollar will rise?

        and... why do you think in terms of tue. may 26, 2009 vs a time in 2015 or 2020?

        trading... an infection... a worm that eats your money.

        the more i read these posts the more convinced i am that the wall street gambling industry owns america... heart and soul. they've won. they own the grey matter in our skulls.

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          Re: Can I get a S&P 1000 ?

          Tuesday because Stock Markets is closed on Monday. When I posted this S&P 1000 target on March 31st, I assume most of posters here most probably ignored it. Anyway I don't play with a lot of Money, so I guess even if I loose I am OK.

          Dollar will not collapse(at least not now) because US represents 30% of World GDP. If Dollar collapses, US will become very competitive. I don't think other Central bankers will allow that.

          Also did you see "Drudgereport's" Big Headline - "Dollar Plunge - Fear over Debt". I think it means Dollar doom story has been milked too far.

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            Originally posted by sishya View Post
            Tuesday because Stock Markets is closed on Monday. When I posted this S&P 1000 target on March 31st, I assume most of posters here most probably ignored it. Anyway I don't play with a lot of Money, so I guess even if I loose I am OK.

            Dollar will not collapse(at least not now) because US represents 30% of World GDP. If Dollar collapses, US will become very competitive. I don't think other Central bankers will allow that.

            Also did you see "Drudgereport's" Big Headline - "Dollar Plunge - Fear over Debt". I think it means Dollar doom story has been milked too far.
            cool. weekend at the casino.

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            • #7
              Re: Can I get a S&P 1000 ?

              Great post Shishya. Sober minded, agnostic, inquring. Feels to me like a good candidate for sniffing out next moves. This week's "dollar panic" is a fake out.

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                Re: Can I get a S&P 1000 ?

                you're right metal. This is a casino. But what choice do we have? I came to the gold party too late. Uncle Ben has driven short rates to zero, the days of buy and hold on stocks is over for a long time.
                The choices I see are as follows.
                1. Gold now at 900+, yeah I agree it will probaly move higher but I think its going to give people a wild ride.
                2. cash, and watch its value shrink even though the goverment says there is no inflation
                3) buy and hold stocks; again high volatility and probably a long term losing bet.
                4) Commodities; wild ride, but probably will move up with inflation.

                If we had sound money that would not lose value I would not have to play in the casino to keep up.

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                  Re: Can I get a S&P 1000 ?

                  Originally posted by charliebrown View Post
                  you're right metal. This is a casino. But what choice do we have? I came to the gold party too late. Uncle Ben has driven short rates to zero, the days of buy and hold on stocks is over for a long time.
                  The choices I see are as follows.
                  1. Gold now at 900+, yeah I agree it will probaly move higher but I think its going to give people a wild ride.
                  2. cash, and watch its value shrink even though the goverment says there is no inflation
                  3) buy and hold stocks; again high volatility and probably a long term losing bet.
                  4) Commodities; wild ride, but probably will move up with inflation.

                  If we had sound money that would not lose value I would not have to play in the casino to keep up.
                  I've read a few of your posts and you seem like a thoughtful, reasonable person. So let's look at what you're saying here.
                  1. The market is a casino. Check. Over time the house odds will take your money.
                  2. What choice do you have? Don't open the casino door. See #1 above. The house odds favor the house.
                  3. It's too late to invest in gold. I disagree completely. I've been invested for 8+ years and as a yearly return, you'll do much better than I have if you start today.
                  4. Buy and hold is great advice but you have to know what to buy and hold. This is not 1982, see #3.
                  5. Cash in the US is a very bad idea.
                  6. Stocks in the US is also a very bad idea.
                  7. Commodities will do well but investing in gold is easier for the novice than a barrel of oil.
                  8. There is no such thing as sound money.
                  9. If you play in the casino, you lose. Get up every morning, walk over to the mirror and say this to yourself. Here's the bonus: You really are the smartest guy in the room...

                  I don't want to be critical, just help you calm down and re-focus. "They" are not in control. You make money and you choose where you'll spend or invest it. Buy some gold. Buy some land, (bonus points if you get water rights). Wait this out. EJ's right, the old system is breaking and something new is forming. Unfortunately all of us have to navigate these social, political and economic waters and it won't end soon. It's going to be much better to be centered in your direction and calm over the next few years. I'm trying to follow my own advice but I often fail. When I do, i try to adjust. You can do the same thing. Concentrate on what's important to you and when you're sure you've got it down, start helping your family and friends focus their efforts.

                  Forget the casino. They're busy trying to save themselves as they suck more gamblers in to mitigate their loses.

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                  • #10
                    Re: Can I get a S&P 1000 ?

                    My Casino Play Money was $10,000 16 months ago. At that time I did not know how to even buy "put" options. Now it is $16,500.

                    My Big money is in physical Gold and 401K - I have been buying Gold from 2001 when it was $270 /oz to $950/oz. It is for family jewellery consumption. Even if Gold goes down, it is not a problem because where I come from, we think Gold as store of wealth(not currency) - to pay dowry for sisters, help relatives, buy land....).

                    I have placed 2 orders yesterday.

                    .TLTGM ( July Call option TLT $91) BUY TO OPEN
                    LIMIT$2.80

                    .GDRG (June Put option GDX $43) BUY TO OPEN
                    LIMIT$2.50

                    I always think that stock market is rigged. But mostly play "thinking" that I am aligned with the big money. But again I may be wrong.

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                      Re: Can I get a S&P 1000 ?

                      Originally posted by charliebrown View Post
                      you're right metal. This is a casino. But what choice do we have? I came to the gold party too late. Uncle Ben has driven short rates to zero, the days of buy and hold on stocks is over for a long time.
                      The choices I see are as follows.
                      1. Gold now at 900+, yeah I agree it will probaly move higher but I think its going to give people a wild ride.
                      2. cash, and watch its value shrink even though the goverment says there is no inflation
                      3) buy and hold stocks; again high volatility and probably a long term losing bet.
                      4) Commodities; wild ride, but probably will move up with inflation.

                      If we had sound money that would not lose value I would not have to play in the casino to keep up.
                      I am sure that you can buy railroad shares, like burlington nothern santa fe, or union pacific. UNP in the seventies, went from around 1,6 - 16 dollars when inflation peaked, if I remember right. Gold went up 25 times or so, but a lot of that rise was catch up, from peak in 74- peak in81 UNP did as well as gold from the same periods, and the moves are pretty mutch identical. gold peaked with inflation, while railroad shares, peaked with the peak in interest rates.

                      In my opinioin, gold will be outperformed by railroad, because railroad now are at a discount to the trend, BNI now at around 70. a stock like BNI, should be at around 100 dollars, with gold at 960, to make it similar entry points.

                      If inflation really get out of hand, not hyperinflation, but similar to the late seventies, from here, I think silver also will outperform gold.
                      Last edited by nero3; May 23, 2009, 05:21 PM.

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                      • #12
                        Re: Can I get a S&P 1000 ?

                        Originally posted by nero3 View Post
                        I am sure that you can buy railroad shares, like burlington nothern santa fe, or union pacific. UNP in the seventies, went from around 1,6 - 16 dollars when inflation peaked, if I remember right. Gold went up 25 times or so, but a lot of that rise was catch up, from peak in 74- peak in81 UNP did as well as gold from the same periods, and the moves are pretty mutch identical. gold peaked with inflation, while railroad shares, peaked with the peak in interest rates.

                        In my opinioin, gold will be outperformed by railroad, because railroad now are at a discount to the trend, BNI now at around 70. a stock like BNI, should be at around 100 dollars, with gold at 960, to make it similar entry points.

                        If inflation really get out of hand, not hyperinflation, but similar to the late seventies, from here, I think silver also will outperform gold.
                        that's fairly reasonable. but why the fixation on railroad stocks?

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                          Originally posted by metalman View Post
                          that's fairly reasonable. but why the fixation on railroad stocks?
                          I like it. Unlike gold, that went from around 200 at the top in 74, to around 850 in a very few days, I think the realistic top was more like 6-700 dollars, railroad at the time went from around 4-16, and...unlike gold, these shares benefited from the peak in inflation and went further up into the 1980-s. This non dependence on timing, makes it an excellent inflation hedge, even better than gold, in my opinion. It was not many things that went well during the 1970-s that also held up and set new records into the 1980-s, and also did superbly when interest rates was at 21 %. Let me also remind that the railroad boom, occurred after the civil war, and the departure from the gold standard., between 1866-1973, railroad was spectacular, even the yearly deflation rates was around 5 %.
                          Last edited by nero3; May 24, 2009, 05:21 AM.

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                          • #14
                            Re: Can I get a S&P 1000 ?

                            Have railroad stocks ever done well in modern times? I had a buddy who was an officer at Norfolk Southern. I seem to remember saying about a steady 3% ROI was all he ever saw.

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                              Re: Can I get a S&P 1000 ?

                              Originally posted by sishya View Post

                              .TLTGM ( July Call option TLT $91) BUY TO OPEN
                              LIMIT$2.80






                              I bought TBT puts instead but it is effectively the same position.

                              Clearly the USA credit rating story in the mainstream press is a sell on the news event.

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