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    Lovelock Warns: One Last Chance Or 8 Billion Die

    According to an interview with James Lovelock, published in the UK journal New Scientist recently, the outlook for humanity is bleak, with at least 90% of the world’s population dying before the end of the century as a direct result of climate change. This suggests that even if Obama acts at once with the level of measures suggested by Jim Hansen, it will be nowhere near enough to save us.

    In the interview, Lovelock, originator of the “Gaia Hypothesis”, which suggests that the Earth can be treated as a self-regulating system like a living organism, and whose work on chlorofluorocarbons led to the ban on CFCs, insists that there is no time to reduce carbon emissions through an international agreement as was the case with the CFC ban. “Most of the ‘green’ stuff is verging on a gigantic scam,” he believes. “Carbon trading, with its huge government subsidies, is just what finance and industry wanted. It’s not going to do a damn thing about climate change, but it’ll make a lot of money for a lot of people and postpone the moment of reckoning,” he says. He also regards CO2 sequestering as “crazy” and “dangerous”.

    Having caused consternation in some circles for advocating nuclear power as a more practical low-carbon generation process than renewables as far as Britain was concerned, he now says that while nuclear “is a way for the UK to solve its energy problems… it is not a global cure for climate change. It is too late for emissions reduction measures.”


    The only way, Lovelock claims, that the human race can be saved is by the large-scale burying of charcoal made from agricultural vegetable waste. This usually rots down and releases most of the CO2 fixed by the plants when they are growing, but if it were burned with low oxygen levels it would produce charcoal which could be ploughed back into the ground and would not be able to be broken down in the same way.
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    You can read the entire interview with James Lovelock by Gaia Vince in New Scientist, January 23 issue.

  • #2
    Re: Lovelock Warns: One Last Chance Or 8 Billion Die

    quick, where is my Kool-Aid?

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    • #3
      Re: Lovelock Warns: One Last Chance Or 8 Billion Die

      Carbon trading, with its huge government subsidies, is just what finance and industry wanted."
      I suspect this carbon trading will be done in Barry's Hometown, Chicago, through the Chicago Mercantile Exchange. Financial shift of power from NYC to CHICAGO? Are the Pritzers beneficiaries?

      In any case, Lovelock is certainly right that there lots of Loot to be made from scamming Climate Change.

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      • #4
        Re: Lovelock Warns: One Last Chance Or 8 Billion Die

        But he does offer a solution, and I think that solution could be quite profitable as well as potentially saving our collective bacon! I have referred to the solution elsewhere on this forum much earlier.

        But personally, I am not very optimistic about avoiding catastrophic collapse (not so much in the US, but elsewhere in the world where the now 6.5B and soon to be 8B live -- but of course there will be a ripple effect here as well)

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        • #5
          Re: Lovelock Warns: One Last Chance Or 8 Billion Die

          Originally posted by doom&gloom View Post
          quick, where is my Kool-Aid?

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          • #6
            Re: Lovelock Warns: One Last Chance Or 8 Billion Die

            Originally posted by petertribo View Post
            I suspect this carbon trading will be done in Barry's Hometown, Chicago, through the Chicago Mercantile Exchange. Financial shift of power from NYC to CHICAGO? Are the Pritzers beneficiaries?

            In any case, Lovelock is certainly right that there lots of Loot to be made from scamming Climate Change.
            CCE sounds nice
            Obama Years Ago Helped Fund Carbon Program He Is Now Pushing Through Congress
            While on the board of a Chicago-based charity, Barack Obama helped fund a carbon trading exchange that will likely play a critical role in the cap-and-trade carbon reduction program he is now trying to push through Congress as president.

            By Ed Barnes

            FOXNews.com

            Wednesday, March 25, 2009

            Barack Obama helped fund a carbon trading exchange while on the board of a Chicago-based charity that is now, years later, likely to figure big in a cap-and-trade scheme he is trying to push through Congress. (AP photo).

            In 2000 and 2001, while Barack Obama served as a board member for a Chicago-based charitable foundation, he helped to fund a pioneering carbon trading exchange that is likely to fill a critical role in the controversial cap-and-trade carbon reduction scheme that President Obama is now trying to push rapidly through Congress.

            During those two years, the Joyce Foundation gave nearly $1.1 million in two separate grants that were instrumental in developing and launching the privately-owned Chicago Climate Exchange, which now calls itself "North America's only cap and trade system for all six greenhouse gases, with global affiliates and projects worldwide."

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            http://www.foxnews.com/politics/firs...carbon-scheme/

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            • #7
              Re: Lovelock Warns: One Last Chance Or 8 Billion Die

              I stand by my prediction that in the near future we will see a military action justified by environmental concerns. It's the next New Thing. WMD and Regime Change are so yesterday. Even the WOT is becoming threadbare. Overnight Greening of retail shelves, carbon trades, alternate everything...it's here or coming soon. Who said FIRE wasn't light on its feet. Hell, FIRE can dance :eek:

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              • #8
                Re: Lovelock Warns: One Last Chance Or 8 Billion Die

                I can't wait...

                Obama: Our mission in Iraq China is clear. We are hunting down the eco-terrorists. We are helping Iraqis Chinese build a free nation that is an ally in the war on terror global warming. We are advancing freedom in the broader Middle East Asia. We are removing a source of violence and instability pollution and cheap consumer goods — and laying the foundation of peace for our children and our grandchildren.

                In case you don't know, this is taken from Bush's speech announcing the attack on Iraq.

                http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,160969,00.html

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                • #9
                  Re: Lovelock Warns: One Last Chance Or 8 Billion Die

                  Forget Cap and Trade the source to riches is Soap Smuggling. The green generations Joe Kennedy will not be running alchohol but laundry detergent.
                  http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090328/...tleg_detergent

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                  • #10
                    Re: Lovelock Warns: One Last Chance Or 8 Billion Die

                    Originally posted by D-Mack View Post
                    CCE sounds nice
                    The Obama 650bn carbon-tax will be used to pay off social security related debt, NOT to invest it in alternative/green energy or carbon cuts.

                    This is as per the proposed budget.

                    So yes, Obama administration will milk US citizens on the promise of greener future, but keep on piling up the old coal.

                    So much for CHANGE.

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                    • #11
                      Re: Lovelock Warns: One Last Chance Or 8 Billion Die

                      Originally posted by Rajiv View Post
                      But he does offer a solution, and I think that solution could be quite profitable as well as potentially saving our collective bacon! I have referred to the solution elsewhere on this forum much earlier.

                      But personally, I am not very optimistic about avoiding catastrophic collapse (not so much in the US, but elsewhere in the world where the now 6.5B and soon to be 8B live -- but of course there will be a ripple effect here as well)
                      I have never heard of the charcoal solution before, but it sounds very interesting.

                      I think we can look at how the current financial crises is playing out and use it as a guide to how the global warming crises will play out.

                      1st you have your deniers who fight tooth and nail and deny the hard data. They end up causing the crises to go from manageable to catastrophic. Then you get the panic solutions. In the midst of the crises the deniers propose non workable solutions that are meant to maintain the status quo, which leads to more delays. Finally you get the collapse.

                      The big difference is that economics deals in the distribution of resources more than the availability of resources. We can always come up with a more equitable method of distributing resources, but if the resources simply aren't there, people will have to do without.

                      Of course you hit the nail on the head with the population numbers. You can no more support 8B people, with a modest standard of living, on a planet that at best can support 1B, than you can infinitely expand a credit bubble. At some point we must revert to the norm.

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                      • #12
                        Re: Lovelock Warns: One Last Chance Or 8 Billion Die

                        some discusion on terra preta http://www.theoildrum.com/node/4522

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                        • #13
                          Re: Lovelock Warns: One Last Chance Or 8 Billion Die

                          Fortunately, we don't really have to worry about a new ice age global warming climate change because it's all about variations in solar radiation anyway. (That's why there's also "global warming" happening on Mars.)

                          But by the time we're done with the multi-trillion dollar costs imposed on society by the folks who love that supposed climate change provides them an unprecedented opportunity for social engineering on a massive, global scale, climate change will be the least of our worries.

                          Meanwhile, if I was going to be around at the turn of the next century I'd bet everything I have that this apocalyptic b.s. about global population shrinking by 7/8 never happens.

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                          • #14
                            Re: Lovelock Warns: One Last Chance Or 8 Billion Die

                            Harrumph!! :mad: :confused: :rolleyes:

                            QUIZ (DO YOU HAVE A POLARIZED TYPE OF PERSONALITY?)

                            1) Do you prefer black and white positions to graduated positions?
                            2) Do people on the "other side" in politics annoy you intensely?
                            3) Do you feel cordial towards people who's ideas are diametrically opposite to yours, and value this variety among your friends?
                            4) Do you step back and feel whimsical about even your most vehemently treasured opinions occasionally?
                            5) Do you like or dislike feeling compartmentalized to "one side" in any ideological debate?
                            6) If you think of yourself as impartial, do you notice if or when you consign those with whom you disagree to "the other camp"?
                            7) Do you dislike or like finding arguments contrary to your viewpoint and openly conceding they may also have merits?
                            8) Do you feel intensely that environmental issues reveal sociopolitical "types" and there are "your type" and then "all the others"?
                            9) Do you believe (in principle) overcrowding may "at some point" become an issue and/or it's proponents are competent, or incompetent?
                            10) When you believe in 9), do you conclude that assigning any actual chronology to that is specious or serious?
                            11) Do you believe that people on the other side of the overcrowding (or global warming) question from you are stupid?
                            12) When an entire nation goes catastrophically broke - do you think "they did it to us" or that "we did it to ourselves"?
                            13) When someone runs up to you and claims your house is burning, do you wonder first whether you trust them, or do you wonder first about the house?
                            14) Are you intensely suspicious of any group of "specialists" appearing to agree on a point, or does this enhance your trust in the point?
                            15) Do people who take graduated positions seem to you to be indecisive?
                            16) Do you tend to trust people who take graduated positions more than those who take absolute positions?
                            Last edited by Contemptuous; March 31, 2009, 04:00 PM.

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                            • #15
                              Re: Lovelock Warns: One Last Chance Or 8 Billion Die

                              Originally posted by strittmatter View Post

                              thanks! I better drink it and kill myself before the global warming crowd does it!

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