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    Debt peonage for all!

    Anon writes:

    Incredible must-watch clip.


    This is a clip of a borrower calling the show questioning why he should continue to pay for a home for which he owes so much more than it is worth. The guy bought the home for $600k and put a 50% down payment on it. Now he owes $350k due to neg-am but the value has dropped from $600k to $270k. This guy has been destroyed losing $300k cash. He wants to stop the pain. The loan adjusts soon and his payments will double.

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    The hosts gang up on this guy relentlessly essentially blaming him saying a) you made a contract that you must repay b) even if you have to give up your kids education you made a commitment c) you will drag down all your neighbors value d) you will not be able to ever buy or rent d) you are getting ‘value’ by staying in the home because its a place to live e) you have to take responsibility for your action f) you likely lived beyond your means and now you have to sacrifice g) pay extra to principal to make it up. etc


    The homeowners do not stand a chance against thinking like this. As we exit the ‘Subprime Implosion’ and into enter the Alt-A, Pay Option, Jumbo Prime and Prime implosions presently happening simultaneously in various degrees, this will be the primary reason people default. I am afraid this is just a little taste of the type of attacks we should be prepared for.


    The fact is — with $300k down this is one of the good guys. He was duped into buying a $250k home for $600k because of the high-leverage, risk taking of the financial insti’s that allowed people with zero money down, terrible credit and no jobs to bid up this neighborhood making it appear the home he bought was really worth $600k. He likely is not saving much money because the lion’s share is going out to this massively depreciating asset. In all likelihood it is a good financial decision for him to walk and rent the home down the street without all of the other ‘joy’ of homeownership expenses that come along with owning. If we walked now the pain goes away. His credit is hurt for a while but if he keeps everything else current if won’t hurt him for long. His credit will recover quicker than the house will recover in value. His loan is a purchase money loan so there is no recourse if he exercises his right to foreclosure. Suggesting that the he dips into his kids college education to make up the difference is a crime. This man has already paid with his life’s savings.
    http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2009/03...wner-walkaway/

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    Re: Horribly bad advice from no-nothing talking heads

    Originally posted by CharlesTMungerFan View Post

    I was Listening to Hudson and he said he was talking to a banker and he was laughing because he said the poorer people are the more they feel obligated to pay debt. He said they found a gold mine.

    If you owe 75k more than a house is worth, walk.

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      Re: Horribly bad advice from no-nothing talking heads

      There is something wrong here. Why would you put 50% down, and then do a negitave amortization loan. Makes no sense.

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        Re: Horribly bad advice from no-nothing talking heads

        Maybe his circumstances changed. Imagine this: you have a good job and plenty of cash to put down, and the deal looks good at the time, so you snap it up. Then you lose your job, or get reduced hours, or you're self-employed and suddenly lose a lot of business. Or you incur some unexpected expense. Negotiating a re-fi with negative amortization might seem like the least bad option at the time, if it lowered your payments so as to put them more in line with your income.

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        • #5
          Re: Horribly bad advice from no-nothing talking heads

          What all these CNBC anchors are missing, is that the homeowner should walk.

          He played a game or not, but regardless he is where he is and the only rational thing to do is walk. He can then rent one of the millions of dwelling that are sitting vacant at a much lower cost.

          The blame lies mostly with the CBs and the fiat system; might as well profit from it.

          Side note: If the homeowner has an open HELOC (those sometimes cannot be canceled), he should max-it out first and invest the proceed in gold before defaulting.

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          • #6
            Re: Horribly bad advice from no-nothing talking heads

            That sounds like a bad idea; don't most HELOCs have recourse?

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              Re: Horribly bad advice from no-nothing talking heads

              Originally posted by nitroglycol View Post
              Maybe his circumstances changed. Imagine this: you have a good job and plenty of cash to put down, and the deal looks good at the time, so you snap it up. Then you lose your job, or get reduced hours, or you're self-employed and suddenly lose a lot of business. Or you incur some unexpected expense. Negotiating a re-fi with negative amortization might seem like the least bad option at the time, if it lowered your payments so as to put them more in line with your income.
              You may be right. It is just very rare to put 50% down and do a negitive amortization. The idea behind those was to re mortgage within a few years. In this instance it just seems fishy. I have no opinion on what he should do regarding walking away or sticking it out.

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                Re: Horribly bad advice from no-nothing talking heads

                Originally posted by nitroglycol View Post
                That sounds like a bad idea; don't most HELOCs have recourse?
                Please note that I was being sarcastic regarding my previous comment.

                I am not an expert on HELOCs, but if a particular case is non-recourse why not going with a bang and make money in the process?

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                • #9
                  Re: Horribly bad advice from no-nothing talking heads

                  In a good world, he should have to pay for his choices; however, we are not living in a good world. We are living in a world in which the prime movers, the banks, are being bailed out in spite of being equally complicit in the sub-prime mortgage catastrophe. Why should Joe Blow make a martyr of himself to save the hide of the guy that fleeced him to begin with, silly pundits? He should embrace his own little bailout and stop paying the mortgage.

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                  • #10
                    Re: Horribly bad advice from no-nothing talking heads

                    Originally posted by cjppjc View Post
                    There is something wrong here. Why would you put 50% down, and then do a negitave amortization loan. Makes no sense.
                    As was posted a long time ago...the typical American consumer only cares about the monthly payment, not the real cost. It must have been too enticing to get that teaser neg-am rate and have so much more $ left over each month for cars, clothes, vacations, toys, electronics, etc...

                    Can Anything Bring Down the Monthly Payment Consumer?

                    Funny reading through this article again. I wonder what brilliance this guy is spinning these days...

                    (This was posted 01-09-07 long before ANYONE could have known what was going to happen ;))

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                    Kevin Hassett is director of economic policy studies at the American Enterprise Institute.

                    A pull-back in consumer spending is not going to occur. For consumers to stop consuming, their incomes would have to plummet or go down a lot and believe that their incomes would stay down a long time. And the economy is just not that bad. They would stop spending if they thought the economy was going to be very bad, but it hasn’t been very bad in a long, long time.

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