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  • #61
    Re: A Video for Fred/EJ....(Gold bugs do not watch!)

    Originally posted by Lukester View Post
    Hugh Hendry is a very bright chap. I give him 100% for sussing out the next two year trend. This is what I've been reiterating. Gold, and all inflation hedges are WEAK for the next one year, and likely two years. In a world where -5% inflation eventuates, the EURO will crater due to it's large exposure to emeging markets (which plunge much more) and the USD handily wins the ugly contest. I've sold a large chunk of gold and silver in my EU based accts. and parked my money in the USD. Meantime, the YEN is apparently breaking down now against the USD also. If it does, and Euro worsens drastically as Hendry forecasts, what's left standing against the USD?

    I don't wish to poke iTulip's stance in the eye. iTulip are the beacon for the "big picture" and I for one am immensely grateful to them for the priceless intelligence they have provided this past two years. But the imminent breakdown of the USD due to unsustainable internal and external debt is a creature that can behave in more than one single way. It seems to me it has two, or three, or more avenues to unfold, and one of those avenues is that a global disintegration such as Hugh Hendry points out, turns upside-down the two most popular consensus opinions in this community at present. That gold is fated to rise and the USD is fated to fall. Hendry is putting forward his view, that we likely are entering a longish period where it can very well be the reverse. Does anyone begin to get Hugh Hendry's viewpoint?

    No-one is saying go and sell all your gold. If you've read iTulip enough you know what the macro trend is - inevitably. But the bullish chatter about gold is really a bit too generic. Notice what Hugh Hendry says about regarding gold as a "back up the truck now" investment. (he's taking the opposite viewpoint to those who subscribe to: COMEX will default, or XYZ will happen, etc. etc.). As he puts it, "People have rushed to read the last chapter of the book" and as he says, "you just can't do that". If you are in ex-USD currencies any downside in gold would be much more muted for you, and/or it may continue to do moderately well. But in USD it has a possibility of being more of a sagging investment than one might first conclude, for the next year to 18 months, to 2 years. Nothing's certain, but there is a possibility, if the reality of -5% inflation extending occurs. Hugh Hendry seems to think that possibility is good at this point.

    It's understood though that iTulip's recommended allocation (as I understood it) of about 30% in the present environment is, "not intended as an investment, but as insurance". It is a very sensible allocation and it looks like iTulip "picked the right gear to climb the hill" eight or nine years ago and has ridden this far without changing gears much at all. One wonders whether they are even breaking a bit of a sweat yet. That is actually an exemplary sobriety in money management (not that I followed it, and that wound up to my detriment). When you can calibrate your defensive asset allocation "putt" from year 2000, and get a rough idea of where it's going to land in 2012 without so much as having to adjust your trajectury one bit, you are batting a pretty good average.

    Anyway Hugh Hendry is an damn good analyst IMO. I really appreciate this hedge fund manager's acumen.

    Meanwhile, here's iTulip, proceeding without so much as a change of altitude into this turbulence.

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    Luke,

    Do you think it's impossible for both the USD and Gold to keep rising?
    Outside of a dog, a book is man's best friend. Inside of a dog, it's too dark to read. -Groucho

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    • #62
      Re: A Video for Fred/EJ....(Gold bugs do not watch!)

      Originally posted by ASH View Post
      Um... apologies in advance for a math nerd comment, but...

      In the limit in which the denominator goes to zero from a positive value, the quotient goes to infinity, not zero. If we assume that the denominator started out positive (productivity, etc.) and it approaches zero from the positive side, then this implies the debt divided by the productivity becomes infinite (meaning if our productivity crashes, the burden of any fixed level of debt becomes infinite in relation to our ability to service it).
      Beat me to it.
      Outside of a dog, a book is man's best friend. Inside of a dog, it's too dark to read. -Groucho

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      • #63
        Divide by Zero ???

        Anything divided by zero approaches infinity.

        Did you mean multiply?

        Please explain more fully

        http://www.cnbc.com/id/15840232?video=810371062&play=1

        Here's some more historic video of our friend Hugh Hendry from Aug. 1/08. Looks like he was spot on then, making himself look somewhat arrogant, while his peer (LLoyd Hodson, Lloyd's Investment Bank) was made to look like an idiot.

        Time has proven that Hugh's peer was blind as a bat. Yet the orthodox, conservative, main stream, propaganda-peddling, supposed peer fund manager sits there with a smug grin, seeming to think, "What an ass Hugh Hendry is! He'll get his soon enough"

        Hugh Hendry seems to be a "Joan d'Arc" who can clearly see the future, and he tries to convince others of his visions for the future, but others are small-minded and don't want to be disturbed from their comfortable dream world. It can be extremely frustrating for the visionary. Most visionaries would tend to act out while they are trying to build consensus with the majority, but will be perceived as arrogant by most.
        Last edited by Glenn Black; February 28, 2009, 09:52 AM.

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        • #64
          Re: Divide by Zero ???

          Originally posted by Glenn Black View Post
          Anything divided by zero approaches infinity.

          Did you mean multiply?

          Please explain more fully

          http://www.cnbc.com/id/15840232?video=810371062&play=1

          Here's some more historic video of our friend Hugh Hendry from Aug. 1/08. Looks like he was spot on then, making himself look somewhat arrogant, while his peer (LLoyd Hodson, Lloyd's Investment Bank) was made to look like an idiot.

          Time has proven that Hugh's peer was blind as a bat. Yet the orthodox, conservative, main stream, propaganda-peddling, supposed peer fund manager sits there with a smug grin, seeming to think, "What an ass Hugh Hendry is! He'll get his soon enough"

          Hugh Hendry seems to be a "Joan d'Arc" who can clearly see the future, and he tries to convince others of his visions for the future, but others are small-minded and don't want to be disturbed from their comfortable dream world. It can be extremely frustrating for the visionary. Most visionaries would tend to act out while they are trying to build consensus with the majority, but will be perceived as arrogant by most.
          Depending on his mood Hendry can often come across as arrogant, and when dealing with a female interviewer sometimes a bit mysoganist. He's had trouble working for other people, including Crispin Odey. After watching him for years, I think his brain is wired just a bit differently from the rest of us. I've worked for someone similar...brilliant, but extraordinarily difficult to get along with. Learned a lot from him, but would never, ever repeat the experience voluntarily.

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          • #65
            Re: A Video for Fred/EJ....(Gold bugs do not watch!)

            I just got my provincial bonds called. These were the step-up bonds of a few years ago, but now all of the provinces have called the bonds and returned the beaver bucks to me. So gone is the income, and where do I put the money to work now when nothing works?

            For anyone observing this de-flation, it seems to be feeding on itself. For now, the money will probably go into a bank account that is CDIC insured; the earnings will be 0%.

            Isn't it interesting how the de-flation process seems to feed on itself? Even if you don't want to invest at 0%, you have to just to not lose your principle. The money comes into the bank interest-free to make the banks appear to be solvent.

            Imagine what a bit of unexpected inflation or monetary instability could do to this house-of-cards? Everyone is sitting liquid, scared, an ready to move in the direction of the break-out.

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            • #66
              Re: A Video for Fred/EJ....(Gold bugs do not watch!)

              Originally posted by Lukester View Post
              Hugh Hendry is a very bright chap. I give him 100% for sussing out the next two year trend. This is what I've been reiterating. Gold, and all inflation hedges are WEAK for the next one year, and likely two years.
              As the economy continues it's scary downward path, and the government's actions to fix it fail to slow growing job loss, store closings, forclosures, stock market collapse, etc., people will become increasingly fearful and buy gold.

              This isn't about investment, it's about fear . . . fear of poverty and fear of crime, of not having any retirement money, of ending up as a bag lady or a bum sleeping under a bridge. People are already asking where the gov't will get all this bailout money, and they'll soon learn that printing it will send inflation soaring. At that point -- and it's going to be soon -- they'll be buying gold in droves.

              But hey, I'm not a savvy billionaire like Warren Buffet, so what do I know ;)
              raja
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              • #67
                Re: A Video for Fred/EJ....(Gold bugs do not watch!)

                Originally posted by raja View Post
                As the economy continues it's scary downward path, and the government's actions to fix it fail to slow growing job loss, store closings, forclosures, stock market collapse, etc., people will become increasingly fearful and buy gold.

                This isn't about investment, it's about fear . . . fear of poverty and fear of crime, of not having any retirement money, of ending up as a bag lady or a bum sleeping under a bridge. People are already asking where the gov't will get all this bailout money, and they'll soon learn that printing it will send inflation soaring. At that point -- and it's going to be soon -- they'll be buying gold in droves.

                But hey, I'm not a savvy billionaire like Warren Buffet, so what do I know ;)
                Well you managed to avoid doing what Buffett did...
                Buffett Says Oil Will Rise, He Made ‘Mistake’ on ConocoPhillips

                Feb. 28 (Bloomberg) -- Warren Buffett said crude oil will rise far above its current price and that he made a mistake when he purchased ConocoPhillips stock last year for his Berkshire Hathaway Inc.

                “I still believe the odds are good that oil sells far higher in the future than the current $40-$50 price,” Buffett wrote in his yearly letter to shareholders. He also said he made a “major mistake” when he bought a “large amount of ConocoPhillips stock when oil and gas prices were near their peak.”...



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                • #68
                  Re: A Video for Fred/EJ....(Gold bugs do not watch!)

                  Originally posted by raja View Post
                  . At that point -- and it's going to be soon -- they'll be buying gold in droves.
                  What makes you think it will be soon? :p

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                  • #69
                    Re: A Video for Fred/EJ....(Gold bugs do not watch!)

                    buffet read iTulip.

                    Originally posted by GRG55 View Post
                    Well you managed to avoid doing what Buffett did...
                    Buffett Says Oil Will Rise, He Made ‘Mistake’ on ConocoPhillips

                    Feb. 28 (Bloomberg) -- Warren Buffett said crude oil will rise far above its current price and that he made a mistake when he purchased ConocoPhillips stock last year for his Berkshire Hathaway Inc.

                    “I still believe the odds are good that oil sells far higher in the future than the current $40-$50 price,” Buffett wrote in his yearly letter to shareholders. He also said he made a “major mistake” when he bought a “large amount of ConocoPhillips stock when oil and gas prices were near their peak.”...



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                    • #70
                      Re: A Video for Fred/EJ....(Gold bugs do not watch!)

                      He has been wrong on Gold so far. In video 5 he said he owns no gold and is short goldstocks. Many of them have doubled since mid December.

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                      • #71
                        Re: A Video for Fred/EJ....(Gold bugs do not watch!)

                        Fightthepower -

                        Originally posted by fightthepower View Post
                        He has been wrong on Gold so far. In video 5 he said he owns no gold and is short goldstocks. Many of them have doubled since mid December.
                        Yes, I notice this stat touted on many goldbuggy websites. Of course many of the gold stocks have doubled since mid December, they were staging a ferocious snap-back rally off of the largest single bear market decimation of the last decade. That's what speculative stocks do after secular sell-offs. I subscribe to Clive Maund's technical service (among other things) - he's a very competent English technical analyst and has made some dazzlingly appropriate trades throughout this devastating bear market.

                        He's very pro gold and actively invests in the gold stocks (I don't, nor do I ever "play" them). Even Clive Maund who is very friendly towards gold stocks acknowledges these are highly speculative "short term trades" and that they are "not for everyone". Hence to suggest that Hugh Hendry is a "wrong footed charlie" because he did not capture the "bull market move" in gold stocks since December is a complete misrepresentation of this hedge fund manager's competence.

                        It is in fact altogether to Hugh Hendry's credit (and was entirely to be expected) that he would not touch gold stock speculation in a generalised equities bear market with a ten foot barge pole.

                        Respectfully.

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                        • #72
                          Re: A Video for Fred/EJ....(Gold bugs do not watch!)

                          Originally posted by Lukester View Post
                          Fightthepower -



                          Yes, I notice this stat touted on many goldbuggy websites. Of course many of the gold stocks have doubled since mid December, they were staging a ferocious snap-back rally off of the largest single bear market decimation of the last decade.

                          Tell me about it.

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                          • #73
                            Re: A Video for Fred/EJ....(Gold bugs do not watch!)

                            Originally posted by fightthepower View Post
                            He has been wrong on Gold so far. In video 5 he said he owns no gold and is short goldstocks. Many of them have doubled since mid December.
                            That seems a pretty accurate statement.

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                            • #74
                              Re: A Video for Fred/EJ....(Gold bugs do not watch!)

                              Originally posted by renewable View Post
                              That seems a pretty accurate statement.
                              C O G N I T I V E ... D I S S O N A N C E

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                              • #75
                                Re: A Video for Fred/EJ....(Gold bugs do not watch!)

                                Originally posted by Lukester View Post
                                C O G N I T I V E ... D I S S O N A N C E
                                I don't see any contradiction?

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