U.S. to yield marijuana jurisdiction to states

[Sapiens]

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/articl...MN2016651R.DTL

U.S. Attorney General Eric Holder is sending strong signals that President Obama - who as a candidate said states should be allowed to make their own rules on medical marijuana - will end raids on pot dispensaries in California.

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Looking for the stats were Juries are not convicting for pot crimes, just like back in the days of Prohibition.

[DToM67]

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http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/articl...MN2016651R.DTL



Looking for the stats were Juries are not convicting for pot crimes, just like back in the days of Prohibition.

Perhaps recognition that it (the pot trade) is a substantial part of the economy, and at a time when spending (any consumption which puts cash into and through peoples hands) is a good thing for states in need of cash/flow.

Obama ain't the messaiha... but he's making a few logical and progressive moves. One wonders if there's a way to end the effectively non-enforceable (morally & intellectually bankrupt) marijuana laws?

[jtabeb]

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Perhaps recognition that it (the pot trade) is a substantial part of the economy, and at a time when spending (any consumption which puts cash into and through peoples hands) is a good thing for states in need of cash/flow.

Obama ain't the messaiha... but he's making a few logical and progressive moves. One wonders if there's a way to end the effectively non-enforceable (morally & intellectually bankrupt) marijuana laws?

Cool, I've now got a new business I can start! (do you think I can get a SBA loan for start-up?)

[cjppjc]

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Perhaps recognition that it (the pot trade) is a substantial part of the economy, and at a time when spending (any consumption which puts cash into and through peoples hands) is a good thing for states in need of cash/flow.

Obama ain't the messaiha... but he's making a few logical and progressive moves. One wonders if there's a way to end the effectively non-enforceable (morally & intellectually bankrupt) marijuana laws?

If marijuana stops becoming contraband the price will fall. A lot of the associated violence will disappear. Canadian members, am I not correct that up there it's for the most part run by businesses?

[Fiat Currency]

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Canadian members, am I not correct that up there it's for the most part run by businesses?

If you mean the medical marijuana - then yes. The Gov't was doing it - but as with most incompetent Govt's they couldn't even grow a weed properly. So most people who have a prescription resorted to the street stuff - or growing their own. At least that's what I recall from various newspaper articles (I have no personal experience).

[flintlock]

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If you mean the medical marijuana - then yes. The Gov't was doing it - but as with most incompetent Govt's they couldn't even grow a weed properly. So most people who have a prescription resorted to the street stuff - or growing their own. At least that's what I recall from various newspaper articles (I have no personal experience).

California has been doing a good job on Medical weed for years. Its not grown by the gubment.

I have to praise Obama on this. This is long overdue.

[jtabeb]

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If marijuana stops becoming contraband the price will fall. A lot of the associated violence will disappear. Canadian members, am I not correct that up there it's for the most part run by businesses?

Go price the stuff in Vancouver BC(where it is semi-legal), and then tell me again how much the price is going to fall.

[cjppjc]

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Go price the stuff in Vancouver BC(where it is semi-legal), and then tell me again how much the price is going to fall.

I'de love to sample the local crop. I still think if you take out the effect of having to smuggle it, the price would drop. Also there would be more vendors. It would be priced like other commodities.

[Spartacus]

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If it happens in the US it will happen here.

Too bad we had to wait for you. The public votes exist here to get it done but no politician had the courage.

arseholes and scum, ruining peoples' lives for no good effin reason whatsoever.

Arseholes, every last damn one of them

Political pressure from US trade and law enforcement was part of it of course.

Threatening to slow every truck by half an hour is a pretty potent threat.

I'm not holding my breath though. The DEA will fight this every step of the way. they're the ones who've been blocking medical research. I remember reading an interview with a DEA director who claimed the US would have been better of if alcohol prohibition had continued forever. That's the problem when you make drugs illegal. Now you have a massive money-pit bureaucracy with political power that you have to fight tooth and nail if you ever change your mind and want to fix the disaster.

It's the reason they exist. It's how a DEA manager gets promoted. It's how they 've been building their personal empires.

And if Obama does this now, DEA will be there waiting for the next guy to come in and reverse every one of Obama's decisions. They have the infinite money and the infinite patience and the infinite sadism of the bureaucrat who ruins lives by "just doing my job"

DEA has been making power grabs for 40 years. Remember the incident with the "designer drugs" that were about to get every kid in the US addicted? With new drugs that were easy to make and 100 times as addictive as heroin? And the DEA absolutely had to have a law passed giving DEA the power to declare any drug they wanted illegal. The very soul of the US was at stake.

That DEA is still there, waiting. no matter what small sanity comes down temporarily.

If marijuana stops becoming contraband the price will fall. A lot of the associated violence will disappear. Canadian members, am I not correct that up there it's for the most part run by businesses?

[jtabeb]

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I'de love to sample the local crop. I still think if you take out the effect of having to smuggle it, the price would drop. Also there would be more vendors. It would be priced like other commodities.

Talking to knowledgeable people in the "business" the growth in consumption is likely to far outweigh the growth in production initially, esp. if an outright legalization of the stuff were to take place. Price drops and profit margins falling are possible, but a 50% tax should keep the retail costs elevated.

I need to check on some legalities, but I'm pretty sure I can qualify for the Ag deduction on property taxes for producing farmland.

[BadJuju]

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I'de love to sample the local crop. I still think if you take out the effect of having to smuggle it, the price would drop. Also there would be more vendors. It would be priced like other commodities.

How awesome would it be to say you trade marijuana on the commodities market?

[renewable]

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Stoned people don't riot

Song by a UK group, 'The Streets' comparing the relative social ills of marijuana & alcohol:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gwDRBm-qbQI

[petertribo]

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To read about the entrepreneurial aspects of grass growing, Romancing Mary Jane is an excellent book. It is also quite humorous. One of the great perils is the harvest. As the crop approaches maturity, poachers start following the grower to find the stash. Thus many really professional growers use automated grow houses which require few visits and are enclosed and the harvest easily protected. Another problem discussed in the book is selling a big crop, not the easiest thing to do.

http://www.dmpibooks.com/book/9781550545838

I live in a rural area and lots of folks grow their own round here. In the fall, near harvest time, the helicopter shows up, flies around and they make a bust or two. I'm convinced they see nothing from the copter but it is there for show to protect where they get their real info, snitches. A neighbor says they can use thermal imaging but it sounds like a crock to me. In addition, it would be way too expensive as folks round here are just growing a few plants or so, no large commercial quantities.

A nice couple with two kids were busted last fall. First thing the cops threatened was to take away the kids. Real big time crime, growing some grass to beat the high prices of Industrialized drugs, alcohol and others. Meanwhile the Wall Street White Collar Criminals run off with BILLION$ in loot.

[renewable]

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Growing: an ex US DEA cop has done a DVD on this: http://nevergetbusted.com

Youtube preview of the DVD: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QIcMcRXB8zw

edit: Heat seeking cameras: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sudf5xDIhmM

[c1ue]

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Marijuana hasn't really arrived as a legal drug until it is taxed.

That's probably what this maneuvering is in preparation for...