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    i've thought about this issue a lot: whether/when/how to get out of the dollar. for the moment, i will just address "how." i see 3 alternatives to the dollar:

    I. currencies-

    A. form

    1. via direct conversion of cash to foreign cash. in amounts up to $100k this can be in the form of an fdic insured cd at everbank.com there are also foreign currency accounts available at banks, at interactivebrokers, probably elsewhere

    2. via the etf's available for the euro, the pound, the loonie, etc. [fxe, fxb, fxc, etc]

    3. via futures

    4. structured notes - czj is a citibank structured note maturing jun 08 with 5x leveraged exposure to the won, the singapore and taiwan dollars, the baht and the rupee. there is another citi note which substitutes the aussie for the singapore dollar. IF ANYONE KNOWS OF ANY OTHER, SIMILAR, INSTRUMENTS, I WOULD REALLY LIKE TO HEAR ABOUT IT.

    B. which currencies?


    1. euro- represents the "likely suspect" for central bank diversification, and in fact has been increasing in its presence in cb portfolios. the euro is vulnerable to internal eurozone political strains - italian and french politicians are frequently taking pot-shots at the european central bank's policies, and such tension is likely to increase if global growth slows or reverses. on the other hand, the euro pays a non-zero interest rate and has increasing support from non-european cbs.
    i think the euro is a strong alternative to the dollar for the short to intermediate term. if the euro reaches 1.5 dollars within the next few years, there will be huge political pressures created - so that might might provide an upside exit point. if it appreciates more slowly there is no predictable target at this time.

    2. yen - the 3rd of the 3 major global currencies. there is no etf available, and the yen pays approximately nothing in interest along the whole yield curve. the bank of japan has opposed appreciation of the currency, and the ongoing flow of the yen carry trade - the continuously increasing borrowings in yen which are then converted to other currencies for investment - has created another headwind for the currency. central bankers who have discussed currency "diversification" have not usually mentioned the yen by name, only the euro specifically and "other currencies" in general.
    should the carry trade reverse, e.g. in a panic rush to liquidity accompanying debt liquidation, the yen will rise strongly. but such moves will be slowed by boj actions. if there is a u.s. recession which is consumer led, a distinct possibility in the face of huge consumer debt and a declining housing market, the diminution of u.s. consumption of japanese exports will reduce the boj's incentives to keep the yen weak relative to the dollar. of course, in the absence of a sharp increase in demand elsewhere in the world, even those reduced exports might be seen as extremely important to maintain. if the dollar continues to decline is a slow and non-volatile way, however, asian domestic demand might mature enough to provide alternative markets.
    conclusion re the yen: some yen futures options might provide insurance against some disaster scenarios, but the yen doesn't seem to provide a good alternative for capital at this time. should the carry trade start unwinding in a steady fashion, perhaps because of a general retreat from dollar-based investments, the yen will become attractive.

    3. the pound - i don't know enough to comment. i have some money in fxb, on the recommendation of a service i follow.

    4. swiss franc- the swissie has, along with the yen, been the victim of a carry trade because of low swiss interest rates. i suppose a position in fxf - the swiss franc etf - would provide some "carry-unwinding" insurance value.

    5. the canadian dollar. as a diversification from the dollar, the loonie is supported by its natural-resource based economy, but undermined by its dependence on the u.s. economy. it has taken a hit lately because of changes in the tax treatment of canadian income trusts. canadian energy investments, in particular, look more like energy than like currency plays in my opinion, but they will tend to be swept into broad movements of the canadian equity exchanges.

    6. the swedish krona, mexican peso - also available as etfs. beats me. any comments, anyone?

    7. some other currencies are available as futures and at everbank.

    II. global bond funds

    A. closed end funds - gim, fco, fax, tei.... i recommend etfconnect.com as a site for research on these and others. these funds have some duration, and so are interest rate sensitive to a greater degree than cash deposits.

    B. open end funds - e.g. plmdx, pfbdx and many, many others.

    if anyone has comments on the particular pros and cons of open- or closed-end global bond funds, i'd like to hear them.

    III. commodities

    A. precious metals - likely the best alternative to the dollar. as precious metals become remonetized they represent an increasingly attractive long term alternative not just to the dollar, but to all fiat currencies. this is because i expect inflation in all currencies, especially as cb's try to moderate the strength of their currencies against the dollar. although cb gold hoards overhang the market, the surplus countries' cb's are not big holders of gold. in fact, they may wish to "diversify" some of their holdings into gold. gordon brown's gold sales for the bank of england marked the bottom for the metal - i don't think other treasury ministers want to follow his lead. in fact, it is interesting to note that although western cb's tend to denounce gold as a mere relic, they are for the most part still holding on to their hoards.
    silver appears to have more upside potential at the cost of higher volatility. in general we can expect significant volatility in both gold and silver.
    this year there may be a sell off of gold to 550, or even 500, which i think would provide a great buying opportunity at the cost of the maalox moment it would also provide.

    B. energy - likely to hold value over the long term, but also subject to major volatility. a u.s. recession would likely lower global energy demand enough to seriously drop prices, unless the dollar drops so much that the currency move is larger than the shift in supply and demand.
    energy resources in politically stable locations are worth a premium because of the geopolitical risks to which oil is especially subject. for example, if pakastani president mussharef dies tomorrow, the potential for political chaos, with its additional issues of securing pakistan's nuclear arsenal, are quite stunning. if mubarek of egypt dies tomorrow, there is no clear successor, and the strengthening muslim brotherhood could attain power and abrogate egypt's peace with israel, etc. i have no doubt that anyone reading this can easily create a dozen scenarios which involve risk to middle eastern oil supplies. aside from canadian energy trusts, i am interested in hearing about any other energy plays on resources in politically stable locales. an alternative is to own oil per se, by buying uso, the oil etf.

    C. industrial metals and agricultural commodities - there are long term arguments for both types of commodities, mostly centering around increased demand from china, india, et al. agriculturals are also indirect plays on water, as each e.g. bushel of wheat incorporates a significant water input. again, there will be major volatility. these can be played via etfs, such as dbc, via open ended commodity linked mutual funds, such as pcrix, as well as via futures and via equity in producers, processors, etc.

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    I realize that history doesn't repeat, but many times it rhymes. From a historical perspective where do you put us today that you have these concerns? Money has been many different things to many different cultures, from rocks and shells, tally sticks and paper, to silver and gold. Each system has had a unique ending with a unique replacement.

    What about the d0llar system makes you think you need to put your wealth into a different vehicle? Just in the last six months alone the d0llar buys 30% more oil, 48% more natural gas, probably 15% more house, 9.5% more shiny metal and 30% more copper I'd say that's a stronger d0llar.

    The world holds much of it's wealth in d0llars, if I was the world I would be doing what I could to make that wealth stronger not weaker. Looks to me like that's exactly what the world is doing.
    "Men, it has been well said, think in herds; it will be seen that they go mad in herds, while they only recover their senses slowly, and one by one."
    - Charles Mackay

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      Re: alternatives to the dollar

      How about the hong kong dollar - read somewhere it is moving towards parity with the yuan. Would it be a good yuan/remembi proxy, that foreigners can hold?

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        Re: alternatives to the dollar

        Originally posted by Tet
        I realize that history doesn't repeat, but many times it rhymes. From a historical perspective where do you put us today that you have these concerns? Money has been many different things to many different cultures, from rocks and shells, tally sticks and paper, to silver and gold. Each system has had a unique ending with a unique replacement.

        What about the d0llar system makes you think you need to put your wealth into a different vehicle? Just in the last six months alone the d0llar buys 30% more oil, 48% more natural gas, probably 15% more house, 9.5% more shiny metal and 30% more copper I'd say that's a stronger d0llar.

        The world holds much of it's wealth in d0llars, if I was the world I would be doing what I could to make that wealth stronger not weaker. Looks to me like that's exactly what the world is doing.
        lack of alternatives is the problem. as i learned from the galbraith interview, no euro bond market = no true euro as reserve currency.

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          Re: alternatives to the dollar

          Originally posted by metalman
          lack of alternatives is the problem. as i learned from the galbraith interview, no euro bond market = no true euro as reserve currency.
          I've always kind of viewed the Euro as the flip side of the Imperial Coin. Looks more like regional reserve currencies are being developed, South Amerian, Asia talking about a currency. I would think China is able to use its currency to pay for oil & gas from Russia in exchange for cheap cars, computers, cell phones and trinkets. It will be interesting to see how it all turns out.
          "Men, it has been well said, think in herds; it will be seen that they go mad in herds, while they only recover their senses slowly, and one by one."
          - Charles Mackay

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          • #6
            Re: alternatives to the dollar

            Originally posted by renewable
            How about the hong kong dollar - read somewhere it is moving towards parity with the yuan. Would it be a good yuan/remembi proxy, that foreigners can hold?
            the question is where and how to hold it.

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            • #7
              Re: alternatives to the dollar

              Originally posted by jk
              the question is where and how to hold it.
              Apologies for my lack of knowledge. I thought it was possible for foreigners to hold hong kong dollars?

              http://www.offshore.hsbc.com/1/2/int...osit-account#1

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              • #8
                Re: alternatives to the dollar

                Originally posted by jk
                i've thought about this issue a lot: whether/when/how to get out of the dollar. for the moment, i will just address "how." i see 3 alternatives to the dollar: ...
                It's simpler than that. To the extent you don't want to have your portfolio in dollars, you own things that are not dollars nor derivatives of dollars.

                That is, you own stocks, real estate, commodities (conspicuously including hard money commodities (gold, silver, platinum, copper)). Normally, you'd also have cash and bonds based on the coin of the realm (USD for US citizens), but if you are avoiding dollars, you would substitute the equivalent in foreign currencies.

                Looks like you pretty much covered these, except for stocks and real estate. It's not clear why you omit these major and important asset classes if your objective is simply to avoid dollars. It appears to either have been a colossal oversight or that there is more to your objective here than dollar avoidance.
                Finster
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                • #9
                  Re: alternatives to the dollar

                  Originally posted by jk
                  B. energy - likely to hold value over the long term, but also subject to major volatility. a u.s. recession would likely lower global energy demand enough to seriously drop prices, unless the dollar drops so much that the currency move is larger than the shift in supply and demand.
                  energy resources in politically stable locations are worth a premium because of the geopolitical risks to which oil is especially subject. for example, if pakastani president mussharef dies tomorrow, the potential for political chaos, with its additional issues of securing pakistan's nuclear arsenal, are quite stunning. if mubarek of egypt dies tomorrow, there is no clear successor, and the strengthening muslim brotherhood could attain power and abrogate egypt's peace with israel, etc. i have no doubt that anyone reading this can easily create a dozen scenarios which involve risk to middle eastern oil supplies. aside from canadian energy trusts, i am interested in hearing about any other energy plays on resources in politically stable locales. an alternative is to own oil per se, by buying uso, the oil etf.
                  I agree energy is a good place to have investments for the forseeable future. You can offset some of that volatility by not putting all your eggs in the energy basket. I am overweight in energy and have been so since 2003, but also have used real estate and other equity and commodity investments that do not necessarily move in lockstep therewith.

                  Aside from the Canadian income trusts, you can get energy exposure from the likes of ExxonMobil, Encana, and Conoco Phillips, as well as other names in that space like Valero, Devon, etceteras. One of my favorite ways to get exposure to the sector is through IGE, an iShares ETF based on the Goldman Sachs natural resources index. It is quite heavy in energy, but also offers diversification into basic materials, also likely to hold their value through inflation. Another of my favorites is BHP Billiton (BHP) which is not included in that index (it's an Australian company) but is the world's biggest mining concern and broadly diversified across energy, metals, and other natural resources.

                  Also consider non-equity exposure to commodities. Aside from the obvious such as gold, silver, and oil, there are the newer commodity futures based ETFs such as the Powershares offering DBC (based on the Deutsche Bank Liquid Commodities index), and the iPath ETNs DJP and GSP, based respectively on the Dow Jones AIG Commodity and Goldman Sachs Commodity futures indices. DBC actually invests in commodity futures, while the iPath offerings are actually structured notes; senior unsecured debt obligations of the issuer Barclay's. Although Barclay's makes no representation to this effect, one presumes it hedges the notes by maintaining a portfolio of commodity futures. One advantage is that this arrangement isolates the noteholder from all the rolling transactions, cash flows, and tax headaches, and is considered likely to qualify for the same kind of standard cap gains tax treatment as stocks and other index ETFs. Expenses are reasonable at 0.75%.
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                  • #10
                    Re: alternatives to the dollar

                    Originally posted by jk
                    aside from canadian energy trusts, i am interested in hearing about any other energy plays on resources in politically stable locales.
                    JK, I prefer canadian oil extraction companies, CNQ, SU, ECA. I own SU and recently ECA has dropped into my buy zone. These are highly profitable companies that are increasing their proven reserves every year and likely will for the next 10-20 years. They also pay dividends although their yields are not that high. Stable companies in a politically stable country that is a net exporter of natural resources plus the loonie has been holding up strong and appreciating versus the dollar. The downside to these companies are minimal; i know some or all of them are making deals to sell oil to china directly. There are some people that criticize the oil sands projects, but these companies have been highly profitable for years and will continue to increase profits for many years to come.

                    There are highly speculative things going on with US oil sands that you should not associate with the canadian oil sands as in canada they have been successfully profiting from those oils sands for a long time.

                    BTW thanks to the link to this thread it has given me some more ideas on where I should move my money to.

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                    • #11
                      Re: alternatives to the dollar

                      one update to what i wrote on alternatives to the dollar: there is now a yen etf. it pays [virtually] nothing in interest, but it's the great anti-bubble trade. when everything else has been going down, during the 400 point drop recently and the 200 point drop today, the yen went up strongly.


                      The market clearly shows the footprints of carry traders running for the doors. Whether you look at the yen, the Swiss franc, corporate spreads, swap spreads, EMD spreads or mortgage spreads, you see the prices of high yielders falling in relation to low yielders. When a move like this begins with such a fury, the tendency is to call it ‘over’ too soon and to underestimate its follow-on magnitude. There is a lot of money on one side of these carry trades and most of that money needs to unwind and will try to unwind at the same time. This is how six standard deviation events happen. In fact, when you look at the five biggest daily, weekly, or monthly moves in the yen over the past ten years, the average size of the fat-tailed event is about six standard deviations.

                      Another way to think about the potential magnitude of the reversal is to look at the 1998 carry trade as an analogue. Our guess is that the money riding on this one is a lot larger than the money riding in the 1998 carry trades, given the explosive growth of hedge funds and new instruments that target carry trades for the naive investors (e.g. an ETF that buys high-yielding currencies or Japanese retail investment products).


                      ...Bridgewater Associates, Inc. [jk- emphasis added]
                      http://www.minyanville.com/articles/index.php?a=12341
                      Last edited by jk; March 13, 2007, 04:08 PM.

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                      • #12
                        Re: alternatives to the dollar

                        Originally posted by jk View Post
                        i've thought about this issue a lot: whether/when/how to get out of the dollar. for the moment, i will just address "how." i see 3 alternatives to the dollar:

                        I. currencies-

                        A. form

                        1. via direct conversion of cash to foreign cash. in amounts up to $100k this can be in the form of an fdic insured cd at everbank.com
                        JK,
                        do you actually use everbank?
                        I was just about to open a checking (6% introductory interest) and one of the foreign currency CDs, but saw bad reviews on epinion.com. People claim that everbank uses insane exchange rates and has terrible customer service.

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                        • #13
                          Re: alternatives to the dollar

                          Originally posted by friendly_jacek View Post
                          JK,
                          do you actually use everbank?
                          I was just about to open a checking (6% introductory interest) and one of the foreign currency CDs, but saw bad reviews on epinion.com. People claim that everbank uses insane exchange rates and has terrible customer service.
                          i have not used everbank because of their fees and lack of flexibility/liquidity

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                          • #14
                            Re: alternatives to the dollar

                            Originally posted by jk View Post
                            i've thought about this issue a lot: whether/when/how to get out of the dollar. for the moment, i will just address "how." i see 3 alternatives to the dollar:
                            Another alternative is to go back to a decade when the dollar lost 57% of its value, the DJIA was down 62% in real terms (price only), and tens of millions of households had their net worths soar as a result.

                            http://mortgagesecretpower.com/

                            It is ironic that to profit from what historically has been the most widespread method of benefiting from substantive inflation does require stepping out of the current investment box. Perhaps because it requires thinking like a financial professional, meaning working both sides of the asset/liability equation to find the maximum advantage, rather than assigning moral implications to liabilities versus assets. More on that here:

                            "Inflation Pickpocket: How Scott Used Inflation To Separate Peter From His Net Worth"

                            http://the-great-retirement-experime...Pickpocket.htm
                            http://the-great-retirement-experiment.com/

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