This is good news. You cant bame Neo cons because

[cjppjc]

There is no such thing.



http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...022001111.html

[Starving Steve]

Re: This is good news. You cant bame Neo cons because

No such thing as neo-cons?

I only imagined Greenspan, Bernanke, Bush, Rumsfeld, Cheney, Arthur Laffer, etc?

I only imagined that "deficits don't count", that "we can grow our way out of any deficit", that "no regulation is best for the markets because the markets self-regulate," that "interest rates are too high", that "we need a bigger military," that "wars need not have an end," that "American can live off its children and its neighbours forever", that "public schools need basic skills like phonics and penmanship, English-only, timed-testing, and teachers need to be muzzled and held accountable to a government-set standardized curriculum from Washington," that "civil liberties need to be suspended in the Patriot Act to help make America free," etc.

All this, and much more, was just a dream. The doubling of the national debt by Bush never happened. That was a dream too. :rolleyes:

[cjppjc]

Re: This is good news. You cant bame Neo cons because

No such thing as neo-cons?

I only imagined Greenspan, Bernanke, Bush, Rumsfeld, Cheney, Arthur Laffer, etc?

I only imagined that "deficits don't count", that "we can grow our way out of any deficit", that "no regulation is best for the markets because the markets self-regulate," that "interest rates are too high", that "we need a bigger military," that "wars need not have an end," that "American can live off its children and its neighbours forever", that "public schools need basic skills like phonics and penmanship, English-only, timed-testing, and teachers need to be muzzled and held accountable to a government-set standardized curriculum from Washington," that "civil liberties need to be suspended in the Patriot Act to help make America free," etc.

All this, and much more, was just a dream. The doubling of the national debt by Bush never happened. That was a dream too. :rolleyes:

Yes it was.

[Starving Steve]

Re: This is good news. You cant bame Neo cons because

Secret prisons like Guantanamo (Gitmo) on the island of Cuba, secret courts, special charges, drug war, special wars, special treatments like water-boarding, etc--- all that was just my imagination too.

I must be crazy. All this never happened.

[cjppjc]

Re: This is good news. You cant bame Neo cons because

Secret prisons like Guantanamo (Gitmo) on the island of Cuba, secret courts, special charges, drug war, special wars, special treatments like water-boarding, etc--- all that was just my imagination too.

I must be crazy. All this never happened.

You must be crazy. All that never happened.

[GRG55]

Re: This is good news. You cant bame Neo cons because

No such thing as neo-cons?

I only imagined Greenspan, Bernanke, Bush, Rumsfeld, Cheney, Arthur Laffer, etc?

I only imagined that "deficits don't count", that "we can grow our way out of any deficit", that "no regulation is best for the markets because the markets self-regulate,"...

They do.

Seems to me the biggest concern these days is that markets with "no regulation" are now "self regulating" themselves in perfectly predictable ways [as iTulip predicted]...and nobody seems too happy about it.

• People who bought houses they couldn't afford, can't keep them;
• Banks that lent imprudently are having their capital wiped out by rising defaults;
• Insurance companies wrote instruments for which they didn't have the capital to make good, and are now unable to make good;
• Derivatives, that were described as weapons of financial mass destruction by Warren Buffett, have proven to be exactly that for both holders and originators;

"The market" is self regulating itself, and all we have is clamouring for more, and more, and more intervention to prevent it. Go figure...

[Thailandnotes]

Re: This is good news. You cant bame Neo cons because

"If I had a world of my own, everything would be nonsense. Nothing would be what it is because everything would be what it isn't. What it is it wouldn't be, and what it wouldn't be, it would. You see?"
Alice

[cjppjc]

Re: This is good news. You cant bame Neo cons because

"If I had a world of my own, everything would be nonsense. Nothing would be what it is because everything would be what it isn't. What it is it wouldn't be, and what it wouldn't be, it would. You see?"
Alice

Bizarroworld.

[Thailandnotes]

Re: This is good news. You cant bame Neo cons because

10 years of hearings?

"How in hell's name can Richard Perle fulfill his promise to sue Seymour M. Hersh for libeling him in The New Yorker with the Hollinger International scandal widening and sucking up his time? The Times of London reports today that the internal investigation of Hollinger "is said to be now looking" at Hollinger board member Richard Perle's alleged failure to disclose to shareholders $3 million worth of bonuses for running a Hollinger investment project. One of the beneficiaries of the Hollinger investments was Trireme Partners ($2.5 million), the venture capital firm managed by Perle and probed by Hersh in his New Yorker feature. Another was Onset ($3 million), where Perle sits on the board of directors."

http://home.earthlink.net/~platter/n...ism/perle.html

[D-Mack]

Re: This is good news. You cant bame Neo cons because

Don't forget rule no. 7

They believe lying is necessary for the state to survive.
http://www.house.gov/paul/congrec/co...3/cr071003.htm

[mercerbear]

Re: This is good news. You cant bame Neo cons because

No such thing as neo-cons?

I only imagined Greenspan, Bernanke, Bush, Rumsfeld, Cheney, Arthur Laffer, etc?

There are more neo-conservatives working in the public eye and behind the scenes then most people realize. Here is a list of neo-cons I found with a google search complete with hyper-links on each name so you can learn more about who they are and what they do.

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php...ervatives/list

I don't see how anyone can deny the existence of this powerful group. What I wonder is whether or not neo-cons actually believe they are acting in the best interest of the American people by acting above the Constitution and international laws or if they are absolutely corrupt and have more sinister intentions and end games in mind. I don't think we should wonder about whether or not neo-cons exist, I think we should be more concerned with what they really hope to achieve.

[WDCRob]

Re: This is good news. You cant bame Neo cons because

'Personal responsibility' is for suckers, apparently.

[cjppjc]

Re: This is good news. You cant bame Neo cons because

They do.

Seems to me the biggest concern these days is that markets with "no regulation" are now "self regulating" themselves in perfectly predictable ways [as iTulip predicted]...and nobody seems too happy about it.

• People who bought houses they couldn't afford, can't keep them;
• Banks that lent imprudently are having their capital wiped out by rising defaults;
• Insurance companies wrote instruments for which they didn't have the capital to make good, and are now unable to make good;
• Derivatives, that were described as weapons of financial mass destruction by Warren Buffett, have proven to be exactly that for both holders and originators;

"The market" is self regulating itself, and all we have is clamouring for more, and more, and more intervention to prevent it. Go figure...

I always say everybody loves the "market" (Job, stock, real estate. You name it.) until it hurts them.

[don]

Re: This is good news. You cant bame Neo cons because

Welcome to the Twilight Zone, a world between night and day, where our dreams and reality almost but not quite touch.

Tonight we give you Justice in America, in the Twilight Zone:

Take the case of Phil Gramm.

Congressional floor leader for the repeal of Glass- Steagall, the seal of approval for massive financial speculation and fraud.

A man capable of a pithy quote for his times:

""In economics, we define labor exploitation as paying people less than their marginal value product. I recently told Ed Whitacre [former CEO of AT&T, who retired with a $158 million pay package] he was probably the most exploited worker in American history because he took Southwestern Bell, which was the smallest of the former Bell companies, and he turned it into the dominant phone company on earth. His severance package should have been billions." (note-this problem of Mr. Gramm's was addressed)

And Mr. Gramm's comment on America's crumbling middle class. "We have sort of become a nation of whiners."

This week it was revealed Phil was and has been a key member of the Swiss bank UBS, that admitted this week to US tax fraud and agreed to pay 780 million dollars. It was also ordered to hand over the details of 250 to 300 US clients on tax evasion schemes.

We here at the Twilight Zone Tribunal would like to remind our viewers that Mr. Gramm was chairman of the Senate committee on Banking and that Mr. Gramm ran for the Presidency of the United States.

In view of the above lifetime performances of Mr. Gramm, the Twilight Zone Tribunal has decided Mr. Gramm is both incapable of, and not worth, rehabilitating and is henceforth stripped of his American citizenship. His birth certificate, social security card and all holdings discoverable will be seized by the State as compensation for his deeds.

As for his future whereabouts, we suggest a Swiss chalet...in the Twilight Zone.

[cjppjc]

Re: This is good news. You cant bame Neo cons because

[quote=don;78346]:

""In economics, we define labor exploitation as paying people less than their marginal value product. I recently told Ed Whitacre [former CEO of AT&T, who retired with a $158 million pay package] he was probably the most exploited worker in American history because he took Southwestern Bell, which was the smallest of the former Bell companies, and he turned it into the dominant phone company on earth. His severance package should have been billions." (note-this problem of Mr. Gramm's was addressed)


Please, please don't tell me Whitacre got MORE than $158,000,000. Please.