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  • #46
    Re: Rick Santelli’s Chicago Tea Party

    I agree in general, though this line of thought is a bit muddy:
    Originally posted by fliped42
    2) The people who took out the mortages signed a contract and commited to pay back the money. They bought a house at a price and took a loan at a price they should not be allowed to by legislation break the contract. It is up to the lenders and borrowers to work out the differences. If a lender wants to work out a loan they can but they will only do it if they feel that the borrower can repay. It has happened and will continue to happen all the time. It should be resolved between the two parties.
    I'm still new at this, so please correct my take if I am off:

    The borrower is committed to either repay the debt or turn over the collateral (property) to the lender. Most of these loans are non-recourse. Who ever ends up with the property takes a loss.

    The problem is that the government doesn't want the debtors to walk away. It means losses for banks, nationalized companies, etc. In the first case can take down banks (and all the bad/costly issues that go with that) and the second tax payers are taking a more direct hit. In addition, property values and realestate taxes take a hit.

    I'm not arguing that the right solution is for the government to change the terms of the loans, etc. That is a patch to a flaw in the system that emerged. The long term idealistic goals would be:

    1) Figure out how to decouple government budgets from property tax (or other assets that could rapidly change value) so that the government doesn't have an interest in preserving value of assets.
    2) Decouple government stability from companies so that companies that make bad lending calls can suffer for it.

    Unfortunately the bug in the system already happened. Those are lofty long term goals, but the symptom needs to be dealt with as well now. No matter what, some rules have to change in the processes - be it changing loan terms, nullifying CDSs, nationalizing critical companies in the short term, etc - for the system to restablize while minimizing the pain/damage done. Someone has to pay for the loss.

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    • #47
      Re: Rick Santelli is the man!

      Originally posted by kelton56 View Post
      This housing bill is designed to do two things:

      First, it is designed to save banks the costs of foreclosure, estimated at roughly $80,000 per house when you factor in attorney fees, bank personnel, maintenance and repairs, realtors fees or auction fees to re-sell, and taxes and insurance while a dwelling is vacant, and probably other expenses I can't think of at the moment.

      Second, it is an attempt to prevent the erosion of future property tax revenues collected by municipalities, counties and states by attempting to stabilize home prices.

      Any benefits accruing to homeowners, neighbors or anyone else is purely coincidental.
      Totally agree.
      And when you add in the loss of many houses being in negative equity who knows what the final cost is.
      If homeowners in NE start behaving logically and walk out rather than with pride and honesty then the banks really are screwed.

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      • #48
        Re: Rick Santelli is the man!

        Originally posted by Uno View Post
        Rick Santelli Option: Forclosure. Cost to taxapyer: 250,000 + 60,000 forclosure fees + indirect taxpayer costs (no property taxes being paid)

        Total $300,000 plus PER HOME (multiple by millions)
        So, in your illogical mind, $250,000 + $60,000 = $300,000? You should apply for a job at the fed or treasury!

        Are you going to start sending checks in to help any of the itulipers who took you up on your generous offer to pay your neighbors' mortgages? If not, time to bow out and hang up this poorly thought out argument.

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        • #49
          Re: Rick Santelli is the man!

          Originally posted by Uno View Post
          Rick Santelli is exactly the problem: un-American greed disease that has spread throughout the current generation.
          I don't follow this guy but did he rant about the Trillions going to bail out his industry, Finance? Sure seems like he has selective Bailout Blindness.

          And the Traders supporting him? For years they have been trading and living off Toxic Financial Products which now have brought the system down. Maybe a good number of them should be shown the realities of Life: produce something of value, don't live off someone else's labor.

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          • #50
            Re: Rick Santelli is the man!



            "An illustration, (numbers are not meant to be accurate), .... $250,000 + $60,000 = $300,000 plus PER HOME (multiple by millions) ... "

            Did you learn that kind of high-level independent thought from watching Fox News? LOL.

            Please at least learn to read. Like I said, trying reading the bill and apply some thought. Stop watching Fox and CNBC.
            Last edited by Uno; February 22, 2009, 07:19 AM.

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            • #51
              Re: Rick Santelli is the man!

              "WASHINGTON - Barack Obama wants to cut the federal deficit in half by the end of his first term, mostly by scaling back Iraq war spending, raising taxes on the wealthiest and streamlining government, an administration official said Saturday as the president worked to finalize his first budget request. "

              http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/29319055/

              Those scumbag liberal, socialist, commie, pagan Obama democrates trying to instill fiscal responsibility, cut back spending, streamline government,...

              Vote Jeb Bush and Sarah Palin in 2012 so we can get back to Repbulican conservative values in this country. LOL.

              Note: Sorry I posted this on 2 threads, just a community service to the current CNBC & Fox cabbage head uprising.

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              • #52
                Re: Rick Santelli is the man!

                I rarely post, but reveiw this forum daily and actually enjoy the dissenting views quite a bit.

                However, I prefer to take a higher road when communicating with others, and I would ask the you not resort to name calling when rebutting challenges. It diminishes your crediblity and, frankly, makes me want to tune it to another topic.

                Cilivilty encouraged.

                Rant off.

                RP

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                • #53
                  Re: Rick Santelli is the man!

                  I think the civility on this website will be quite a barometer.

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                  • #54
                    Re: Rick Santelli is the man!

                    I concur, the more shrill it becomes, the more I tend to panic as well

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                    • #55
                      Re: Rick Santelli’s Chicago Tea Party

                      Originally posted by Uno View Post

                      Rick Santelli is simply un-American garbage. Yes I would pay my nieghbors mortgage as that is the American thing to do.
                      I wish I had a neighbor like you. Care to make payments of my HELOC which I used for vacations, a 52 inch plasma and that sweet car of mine?

                      Perhaps after all this I might even:

                      a) Stop working

                      b) Do it again

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                      • #56
                        Re: Rick Santelli is the man!

                        A wise man once said, the last resort of a scoundrel is nationalism.

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                        • #57
                          Re: Rick Santelli is the man!

                          [FONT='Times New Roman','serif']I would suggest that any Santelli bashers first go and watch Karl Denninger's videos from his blog; The Market Ticker below.

                          I believe he is spot on.
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                          [FONT='Times New Roman','serif']http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fmKHUUkhkzM&eurl=http://market-ticker.denninger.net/archives/P2.htmlfficeffice" />[/FONT]
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                          [FONT='Times New Roman','serif']http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YSA_UEvGr6k[/FONT]

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                          • #58
                            Re: Rick Santelli is the man!

                            Originally posted by shenni View Post
                            [FONT='Times New Roman','serif']I would suggest that any Santelli bashers first go and watch Karl Denninger's videos from his blog; The Market Ticker below.

                            I believe he is spot on.
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                            [FONT='Times New Roman','serif']http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fmKHUUkhkzM&eurl=http://market-ticker.denninger.net/archives/P2.htmlfficeffice" />:p>:p>[/font]
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                            [FONT='Times New Roman','serif']http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YSA_UEvGr6k:p>:p>[/font]
                            note to denninger: stick to podcasts. the whiny voice is bad enough but the snide expressions + whiny voice... turned it off after 10 seconds. unwatchable.

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                            • #59
                              Re: Rick Santelli is the man!

                              Rick Santelli's official job title is "CNBC live editor". LOL.

                              It is presented as if he is a trader on the floor as much as possible but he is just a Jim Crammer like scumbag.

                              Jim Crammer has lost most of his "value" as all scumbags eventually do.

                              For a while he was being told by CNBC to take the opposite view of Jim Cramer but now he is being promoted to replace Jim Crammer as the primary wall street criminal scumbag mouthpiece.

                              Anyone on this board that believes these fake CNBC and Fox news "rants" are NOT pre-written and pre-planned are complete retards.

                              Rick Santellis wants to be Che Guevara! LOL.

                              CNBC & Fox News are unAmercan scum mouthpieces of wall street. Rick Santelli is a complete scumbag. He even voted for McCain / Palin, scary neoliberal unAmerican scumbag.

                              http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/0..._n_168286.html

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