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    Have Car, Need Briefs? In Russia, Barter Is Back

    By ELLEN BARRY
    MOSCOW — Does the Taganrog Automobile Factory have a deal for you! Rows of freshly minted Hyundai Santa Fe sport utility vehicles are available right now. In exchange — well, do you have any circuit boards? Or sheet metal? Or sneakers?

    Here is a sign of the financial times in Russia: Barter is back on the table.
    Advertisements are beginning to appear in newspapers and online, like one that offered “2,500,000 rubles’ worth of premium underwear for any automobile,” and another promising “lumber in Krasnoyarsk for food or medicine.” A crane manufacturer in Yekaterinburg is paying its debtors with excavators.

    And one of Russia’s original commodities traders, German L. Sterligov, has rolled out a splashy “anti-crisis” initiative that he says will link long chains of enterprises in a worldwide barter system.

    All this evokes a bit of déjà vu. In the mid-1990s, barter transactions in Russia accounted for an astonishing 50 percent of sales for midsize enterprises and 75 percent for large ones.

    The practice kept businesses afloat for years but also allowed them to defer some fundamental changes needed to make them more competitive, like layoffs and price reductions. It also hurt tax revenues.

    It would be hard, however, to dissuade business owners who see barter as a point of light on a bleak financial horizon.

    Among the most upbeat of them is Mr. Sterligov, who, just as the credit crunch brought most business deals to a halt, shoveled $13 million into the Anti-Crisis Settlement and Commodity Center.

    Mr. Sterligov, 42, is one of the great characters of Russian capitalism. In his mid-20s, on the eve of the Soviet Union’s collapse, he was a freewheeling, chain-smoking commodities trader surrounded by leggy assistants.

    But Mr. Sterligov sat out the oil-fueled prosperity of recent years. After a failed run against Vladimir V. Putin in the 2004 presidential election, he retreated to a log house outside Moscow, opting for the beard and boots of a Russian shepherd. In August, intimations of the financial crash lured him out of the woods.

    He plans to use a computer database to create chains of six or seven enterprises having difficulty selling their products for cash, in which the last firm on the chain would pay the first in a single cash transaction.

    It is the kind of multiparty barter that rose to prominence in the 1990s, when managers of factories across Russia devised complex barter chains to keep the maximum number of enterprises in business when none had cash to pay their bills. A computer, he said, can do the same job faster and more efficiently.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/08/wo...html?ref=world

    I'm feeling empowered already ;) :cool:

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    Re: Coming Soon to a Vacant Mall Near You?

    If this works efficiently, would we really need money?
    It's Economics vs Thermodynamics. Thermodynamics wins.

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    • #3
      Re: Coming Soon to a Vacant Mall Near You?

      Originally posted by *T* View Post
      If this works efficiently, would we really need money?
      I don't see how this could work efficiently. Once you start having to worry about subdivision (can the tractor manufacturer pay a laborer 1/200th of a tractor?), demand (does 1/200th of a tractor have any value to the laborer?) and the need for multiple transactions (if the laborer needs toothpaste, a chicken, and a towel, how many steps are required to barter 1/200th of a tractor into these things?) you really have to have a fungible medium of exchange to grease the wheels. That's not to say you couldn't have barter play a bigger role for large, relatively simple transactions. I just don't think barter can function successfully alone in a developed economy.

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        Re: Coming Soon to a Vacant Mall Near You?

        Originally posted by ASH View Post
        I don't see how this could work efficiently. Once you start having to worry about subdivision (can the tractor manufacturer pay a laborer 1/200th of a tractor?), demand (does 1/200th of a tractor have any value to the laborer?) and the need for multiple transactions (if the laborer needs toothpaste, a chicken, and a towel, how many steps are required to barter 1/200th of a tractor into these things?) you really have to have a fungible medium of exchange to grease the wheels. That's not to say you couldn't have barter play a bigger role for large, relatively simple transactions. I just don't think barter can function successfully alone in a developed economy.
        This is lack of capital induced protectionism. in disguise.

        One can buy a shitty Russian car with 300 bags of sensual women's underwear (Moskva design with nylon lace ), but one can't buy a BMW made in Germany with underwear even if adding 10000 boxes of Russian cigarettes, and 500 crystal vases on top of that.

        We are witnessing now a process of deglobalisation, and all the countries that enjoyed a booming economy during the "free trade" folly are going to get hit big time. We will also be able to see who was actually making real money from the WTO/globalisation scam.

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        • #5
          Re: Coming Soon to a Vacant Mall Near You?

          See the thread -- the ultimate currency: barter and look at Barter Exchanges -- under certain conditions they can often work as near money replacements -- that supplemented with local currencies could work.

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            Re: Coming Soon to a Vacant Mall Near You?

            Originally posted by $#* View Post
            This is lack of capital induced protectionism. in disguise.

            One can buy a shitty Russian car with 300 bags of sensual women's underwear (Moskva design with nylon lace ), but one can't buy a BMW made in Germany with underwear even if adding 10000 boxes of Russian cigarettes, and 500 crystal vases on top of that.

            We are witnessing now a process of deglobalisation, and all the countries that enjoyed a booming economy during the "free trade" folly are going to get hit big time. We will also be able to see who was actually making real money from the WTO/globalisation scam.
            certain 'services' sell well in a barter economy.

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