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    http://www.kitco.com/ind/Gerbino/jan272009.html

    Here is the snippet I'm interested in and would like some feedback on. The full article link is posted above:

    What to Do
    • Expect Inflation not a Depression.
    • Expect a boom to start sooner than later.
    • Know the past and respect logic, not headlines.

    Am I telling you all is OK? No. I am telling you things are as bad as you think. But the authorities are using this crisis to bail out the system with paper money and because of that, the economy will once again go into a so-called boom that will be very inflationary. If you think a Depression is coming you will have your assets in the wrong place at the wrong time.
    What Happens Next
    • The economy stagnates for another 9-12 months then turns around.
    • Unemployment goes down with the induced economic upturn.
    • The stock market rallies but never gets above its old highs.
    • Inflation comes back with a vengeance.
    • Commodities resume their bull market and turn the deflationistas into inflation believers.
    • Interest rates will go up with inflation and probably to much higher levels.
    • The stock market will go down when interest rates start going up.
    • Long term bonds will become the worst investment in the world.
    • The dollar will go down but so will other currencies as many world governments print their way out of their economic woes as well.
    • Gold will go to new highs.
    • Housing and real estate will recover but higher interest rates will slow this sector down considerably in the future.
    • The gold and silver mining stocks will become the best performing sector on Wall Street for many years.
    • The price of oil will go up due to inflation and global production declines of 5-8% per year from most of the largest oil fields in the world.
    • The U.S. “recovery” will help the world recover and almost all countries will have another artificial economic expansion from all the paper money they have printed as well.
    • China and India will create more shortages of basic materials and commodities by the sheer size of the populations and their economic and industrial progress.
    • The U.S. will have even more economic dislocations from all the new paper money and debt taken on by Washington.
    • The country gets set up for the next horrible recession some time in about 3-4 years.

    A Depression is impossible in the old sense of the word. If one describes a depression as the loss of purchasing power of the wage earner (a correct definition), then we have been in one for the past 50 years since wages have not kept up with the cost of living. But since everyone is thinking breadlines and the 1930’s, I will stay with that picture for our definition. It is not going to happen.
    Also, remember that the $2-3 trillion bail out numbers you are reading about can easily be bumped up to $4-5 trillion. Why not? The reason for the increase is simple…..”We are heading into the Greatest Depression in history.” As long as this misguided concept gets press and the NY Times, the media and politicians buy into it, then the government has a green light to create as much money as is needed.



    I dumped everything from stocks prior to the bust. I'm thinking now may be a good time to buy into commodities. I'm not so sure about mining stocks but everything else seems to make sense. Any additional insight?

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    Re: 2009 - What to do next

    Originally posted by NFN_NLN View Post
    I dumped everything from stocks prior to the bust. I'm thinking now may be a good time to buy into commodities. I'm not so sure about mining stocks but everything else seems to make sense. Any additional insight?
    Commodity prices are driven in part by demand . . . and in a depression, demand shrinks. I'm waiting until signs of a strong recovery before buying. (There may be a bump in optimism resulting from the federal stimulus; don't confuse that with a recovery.)
    raja
    Boycott Big Banks • Vote Out Incumbents

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    • #3
      Re: 2009 - What to do next

      Originally posted by raja View Post
      Commodity prices are driven in part by demand . . . and in a depression, demand shrinks. I'm waiting until signs of a strong recovery before buying. (There may be a bump in optimism resulting from the federal stimulus; don't confuse that with a recovery.)
      ...or it is a great opportunity to buy.

      I think for my part that crude oil is oversold (not that gold is overbought)

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      • #4
        Re: 2009 - What to do next

        The thing that makes me scratch my head about itulips position and the position you mention (both of which make sense as we are no longer constrained by gold) is with regard to housing... How do we have high inflation yet house prices are still expected to drop well into 2011 (with perhaps another 30% drop) while all the deleveraging takes place and the wave of foreclosures subsides....

        Can someone offer a view point on that?

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        • #5
          Re: 2009 - What to do next

          Originally posted by karim0028 View Post
          The thing that makes me scratch my head about itulips position and the position you mention (both of which make sense as we are no longer constrained by gold) is with regard to housing... How do we have high inflation yet house prices are still expected to drop well into 2011 (with perhaps another 30% drop) while all the deleveraging takes place and the wave of foreclosures subsides....

          Can someone offer a view point on that?
          karim, ask yourself why the NASDAQ is worth 1,500 a full 9 years later after topping 5,000 despite massive inflation during the 2000s.

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          • #6
            Re: 2009 - What to do next

            Originally posted by karim0028 View Post
            The thing that makes me scratch my head about itulips position and the position you mention (both of which make sense as we are no longer constrained by gold) is with regard to housing... How do we have high inflation yet house prices are still expected to drop well into 2011 (with perhaps another 30% drop) while all the deleveraging takes place and the wave of foreclosures subsides....

            Can someone offer a view point on that?
            Got me. I'm still tryin' to figure all this out. But...it seems we have a Keynesian economic policy for the banks, financial, insurance, and 'selected' corporations and a classical economic policy for the ground level real estate market. Give government money to the banks, etc. (Keynesian) and rekindle a spark that's not there and let the housing market plummet into the abyss until it hits bottom then let 'market forces' operate to turn it around (classical).

            Somebody tell me where I'm wrong on this observation. Cuz I see little or no help at the bottom step of the ladder and tons at the top. We've been trying to help some folks save their homes from foreclosure and it's like climbing a 90% wall that's been soaked in oil. Maybe it's different at the top step of the ladder. If any of you know some high steppers please tell me if it's different up there.

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            • #7
              Re: 2009 - What to do next

              Originally posted by vanvaley1 View Post
              Got me. I'm still tryin' to figure all this out. But...it seems we have a Keynesian economic policy for the banks, financial, insurance, and 'selected' corporations and a classical economic policy for the ground level real estate market. Give government money to the banks, etc. (Keynesian) and rekindle a spark that's not there and let the housing market plummet into the abyss until it hits bottom then let 'market forces' operate to turn it around (classical).

              Somebody tell me where I'm wrong on this observation. Cuz I see little or no help at the bottom step of the ladder and tons at the top. We've been trying to help some folks save their homes from foreclosure and it's like climbing a 90% wall that's been soaked in oil. Maybe it's different at the top step of the ladder. If any of you know some high steppers please tell me if it's different up there.
              different kinds of money inflate different kinds of assets. the bubble pops. the money supply dies, so do the inflated asset values... dot coms (nasdaq shares) or houses (mortgages backed by cdos), etc. that's all there is to it.

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              • #8
                Re: 2009 - What to do next

                Originally posted by metalman View Post
                different kinds of money inflate different kinds of assets. the bubble pops. the money supply dies, so do the inflated asset values... dot coms (nasdaq shares) or houses (mortgages backed by cdos), etc. that's all there is to it.
                Understood. That's clear and concise. Thanks. But why one policy for one aspect of a bubble (housing/banking) and another policy implemented for a different aspect of the same bubble? I'd rather see the banks get no relief as the folks on the bottom step of the ladder do...or...spread the relief equally between the top and bottom steps.

                I think I understand the political realty of why 'they' want to keep their system intact and why policies are directed toward that end. I don't understand how they can be blind to the anger that's slowly developing and gaining adherents an intensity every day among the lower steps of the ladder and not address that as the consequences of letting it stew and boil over is the loss of the 'their' system completely. And 'they' won't be the only recepients of that anger if the politicians don't act in a more equitable manner.

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                • #9
                  Re: 2009 - What to do next

                  The Government and the Federal Reserve have been expanding the economy through expansion of the Money Supply. The Federal Reserve does this through their management of the Banking System.

                  Remember - we use a fractional reserve system of Banking. The Money that gets put in the Bank gets turned into Mortgages, Car loans, or business loans. When you place $1000 in the Bank the $1000 gets loaned out something like 9 times - Believe it or not.

                  For years the Federal Reserve as been reducing the Reserve requirement (the amount of your Money the Bank must have on hand) and this always increases the Money supply in the economy - Drives up Asset Prices - makes - puts more people to work - Makes food and living more expensive -
                  But, in general people think they are doing better because their home and 401K value has increased.
                  Giving money to the regular guy cannot increase the Money supply as directly as giving Money to the Banks.
                  Besides, the regular guy /gal doesn't have any lobbyist that can make significant impact on raising money for the next election cycle -
                  ITS ALL ABOUT THE MONEY!

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                  • #10
                    Re: 2009 - What to do next

                    Originally posted by BK View Post
                    The Government and the Federal Reserve have been expanding the economy through expansion of the Money Supply. The Federal Reserve does this through their management of the Banking System.

                    Remember - we use a fractional reserve system of Banking. The Money that gets put in the Bank gets turned into Mortgages, Car loans, or business loans. When you place $1000 in the Bank the $1000 gets loaned out something like 9 times - Believe it or not.

                    For years the Federal Reserve as been reducing the Reserve requirement (the amount of your Money the Bank must have on hand) and this always increases the Money supply in the economy - Drives up Asset Prices - makes - puts more people to work - Makes food and living more expensive -
                    But, in general people think they are doing better because their home and 401K value has increased.
                    Giving money to the regular guy cannot increase the Money supply as directly as giving Money to the Banks.
                    Besides, the regular guy /gal doesn't have any lobbyist that can make significant impact on raising money for the next election cycle -
                    ITS ALL ABOUT THE MONEY!
                    I remember. I use to work at a bank eons ago. But, at the moment, the banks' lending departments appear to have a bad case of constipation when it comes to lending to business and the general public.

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