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    Nouriel Roubini - The Worst Is Yet To Come

    The bear market sucker's rally is losing its steam.

    I have been predicting for a while that the most recent bear market sucker's rally would lose its steam and, like the previous bear market rallies in the last 18 months, U.S. and global equities prices would head again toward new lows. Here's why.

    As my work and the work of our research team at RGE Monitor predicts (we will publish, later this week, our 2009 Global Economic Outlook, a 75-page research piece for our clients), this will be the worst U.S. recession in the last 50 years--and the worst synchronized global recession in decades.

    For a few weeks since late November, equity markets ignored the onslaught of much-worse-than-expected macro news (and all the news was really worse than awful) and had a nice 25% bear market sucker's rally. But the drumbeat of worse-than-expected macro new--and earnings news, and financial news--has finally taken a toll on the delusional market belief that the worst was over for financial markets and for equity markets and that the U.S. and global economy would recover in the second half of 2009. So equity prices have already reversed more than half of their most recent bear market rally as the lousy macro news has finally shocked the wishful thinkers.

    Indeed, the retail sales figures just published confirmed that a shopped-out, savings-less and debt-burdened U.S. consumer is now faltering as job losses, income losses, falls in home wealth, falls in equity wealth, high and rising debt and debt-servicing ratios and a severe credit crunch take a severe toll on the ability of consumers to spend. And reduction in spending and deleveraging of the U.S. consumer will take years to rebuild the savings rate of a household sector now hit by a severe shock to its net worth (as equity and home values fall while debts have been rising), and shocked in its inability to generate income as job losses mount and the unemployment rate surges.

    Our research at RGE Monitor suggests that the U.S. and global recession will continue at least until Q4 2009 (a nasty, 24-month, U-shaped recession) and that the recovery in 2010-'11 will be very weak, with growth around 1%--well below a potential of 2.75%. And we cannot rule out that a more severe L-shaped stag-deflation (as in Japan in the 1990s) will take hold. Indeed, as I have argued, while the odds of a systemic financial meltdown have been reduced by the actions of the Group of Seven and other economies, severe vulnerabilities remain.
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    Re: Nouriel Roubini - The Worst Is Yet To Come

    A lot of people saw this coming, and iTulip was far more precise than Roubini, calling once in October 2006 for a major recession , and to start in Q4 2007, versus over and over for years as Roubini did like a stopped clock. Roubini had to be right eventually.

    What solution does he propose?
    Last edited by FRED; January 24, 2009, 12:03 PM.
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      Re: Nouriel Roubini - The Worst Is Yet To Come

      FRED, IMHO it's more fair to compare Roubini to his institutionalized[*], ideologically strait-jacketed cohort, not to iTulip

      Besides, my curiosity plus Prof. Roubini, the Daily Reckoning and others eventually led me to iTulip, and I suspect a few others took a similar route, so there's some reason to be grateful to him.

      Originally posted by FRED View Post
      A lot of people saw this coming, and iTulip was far more precise than Roubini, calling once in October 2006 for a major recession , and to start in Q4 2007, versus over and over for years as Roubini did like a stopped clock. Roubini had to be right eventually.

      What solution does he propose?
      [*] BWAHAHAHAHHhahahahahahahah.. I iz SOOooooo subtle.

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        Re: Nouriel Roubini - The Worst Is Yet To Come

        Why is he comparing it to the 1958 recession?

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          Re: Nouriel Roubini - The Worst Is Yet To Come

          Originally posted by FRED View Post
          A lot of people saw this coming, and iTulip was far more precise than Roubini, calling once in October 2006 for a major recession , and to start in Q4 2007, versus over and over for years as Roubini did like a stopped clock. Roubini had to be right eventually.
          Originally posted by FRED View Post

          What solution does he propose?


          The media's support for Roubini is not because of his prediction of the financial crisis it is because of his academic position and that he supports an inappropriate liquidity expansion solution to the crisis and that this appeals to those that caused the crisis, he is therefor a credible and useful tool in keeping the old order going,

          Roubini is totally disengaged and probably has no understanding of the dynamics of the real economy his monotonic style with instant answer has probably evolved to give the impression of high intellect and as a way of avoiding holistic questioning, his advocate style is dangerous and void of the subtlety and sensitivity needed for a valid contribution to resolving real world problems,

          In short he is being used and is to dumb to know it and in time will become irrationally defensive of his failed simplistic solutions thereafter if he gets lucky and avoids a rap for a holocaust he will be forgotten,

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            Re: Nouriel Roubini - The Worst Is Yet To Come

            USA has rolled over
            UK has rolled over

            YET Australia and New Zealand have yet to roll over as far. Sure recession has been announced yet our banks are not nationalised (so far), so I wonder what will be the catalist to push the button...

            The interesting point is that both NZ and Aussie have massive private sector debt and little savings ( ie none), but its not that bad yet, its is still a run of the mill downturn not a all time blow out...YET !!

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              Re: Nouriel Roubini - The Worst Is Yet To Come

              There is no doubt that Roubini is good on Roubini.

              But what is itulips latest call. You guys called the top but lately I get confused. I see the depression word around sometimes and unemployment is called at 10% in one post and 20% in others.

              What is the Itulip top line?

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                Re: Nouriel Roubini - The Worst Is Yet To Come

                "MEGA" Saw it coming back in late 06 as well FRED!

                I was pissed with people like him whom either played it down or under performed by not going "Schiff". There is a woman that has played it down even though she knew the truth....Diana Swan-something.

                She is very polite, smart & one cold hearted BITCH!
                Mike

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                  Re: Nouriel Roubini - The Worst Is Yet To Come

                  I think Roubini is right more than anyone else. He is right on the crisis, he is right on the commodity bubble and he is right on China.

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                    Re: Nouriel Roubini - The Worst Is Yet To Come

                    Originally posted by touchring View Post
                    I think Roubini is right more than anyone else. He is right on the crisis, he is right on the commodity bubble and he is right on China.
                    i see nothing he's said that i did not read here a year or two earlier.

                    in any case, the crowd is already walking away, yawning. he has no ideas on how to fix this shit.

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                      Re: Nouriel Roubini - The Worst Is Yet To Come

                      I seem to recall Roubini's "fix" being more regulation. He's basically another globalist / statist, ala George Soros.

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                        Re: Nouriel Roubini - The Worst Is Yet To Come

                        Originally posted by metalman View Post
                        i see nothing he's said that i did not read here a year or two earlier.

                        in any case, the crowd is already walking away, yawning. he has no ideas on how to fix this shit.

                        Yes, but as an investor, you'll do very well if you got chickened out of the market entirely by his mega-pessimistic end of the world approach.

                        Even soros got caught in lehman and commodities, so roubini is still the winner.

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                          Re: Nouriel Roubini - The Worst Is Yet To Come

                          Originally posted by FRED View Post
                          A lot of people saw this coming, and iTulip was far more precise than Roubini, calling once in October 2006 for a major recession , and to start in Q4 2007, versus over and over for years as Roubini did like a stopped clock. Roubini had to be right eventually.

                          What solution does he propose?
                          I'd say itulip is providing good guidance for us as individuals. As to providing a solution...damned if i have seen it yet unless you are referring to the Hudson inflate everything tripe!
                          Fred there is no 'solution'. The transgressions have been committed and will be paid for now or in the near to medium future. You may postpone it. You don't have a solution.

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                            Re: Nouriel Roubini - The Worst Is Yet To Come

                            Originally posted by icm63 View Post
                            USA has rolled over
                            UK has rolled over

                            YET Australia and New Zealand have yet to roll over as far. Sure recession has been announced yet our banks are not nationalised (so far), so I wonder what will be the catalist to push the button...

                            The interesting point is that both NZ and Aussie have massive private sector debt and little savings ( ie none), but its not that bad yet, its is still a run of the mill downturn not a all time blow out...YET !!
                            icm..you are forgetting our CAD and external debt. Now the Govt is proposing a $5B fund to help businesses who find themselves cut off from funds from overseas sources. Good lord help us! According to Access economics our (Aus) CAD will be $100B and i can see no reason they are wrong. We owe about $650B. This lot think they can solve it with a 5B fund???? The short term funding requirement is $75B alone!
                            So i believe it is coming and coming fast for Aus and NZ

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                              Re: Nouriel Roubini - The Worst Is Yet To Come

                              Originally posted by metalman View Post
                              i see nothing he's said that i did not read here a year or two earlier.

                              in any case, the crowd is already walking away, yawning. he has no ideas on how to fix this shit.
                              Who has Metal? I have seen nothing here that resembles a solution. Mianly because there is none bar the Anglo-Saxon world allows China, Japan and the Arab Oil states to buy up whatever of our assets they want and then we start again...with them as rulers and us as their workers.

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