The real 9/11 story?

[TRake]

http://www.military.com/news/page.html

Obama Orders Gitmo Closed Within Year


Many people think that this is a bad idea. It may be the right thing to do. I would like to hear any opinions of the movie at www.zeitgeistmovie.com

It is a free movie and puts to light some possible conspiracies.
Personally I find it very hard to prove most of what is shown.

TRake

[Master Shake]

Re: The real 9/11 story?

I read the Wiki entry on Zeitgeist. It sounds like like something concocted by a mental patient on LSD. It's a veritable unified field theory for conspiracist nutjobs.

From Wiki:

Part II, entitled "All the World's a Stage," portrays the events of September 11th as supposedly either orchestrated or allowed to happen by criminal elements within the United States government in order to generate mass fear, initiate and justify the War on Terror, provide a pretext for the curtailment of civil liberties, and produce economic gain.
According to the film, the U.S. government had advance knowledge about the September 11, 2001 attacks, the response of the military deliberately let the planes reach their targets, and the World Trade Center buildings underwent a controlled demolition. The film claims that six of the named hijackers are still alive, that Hani Hanjour could not have flown Flight 77 into the Pentagon, that no substantial plane wreckage was found at two of the three crash sites, that the Bush administration covered up the truth in the 9/11 Commission Report, and that the mainstream media have failed to ask important questions about the official account.

Part III, entitled "Don't Mind the Men Behind the Curtain",^[11] argues that the three main wars of the United States during the 20th century were waged purely for economic gain for an elite few. Events that the film alleges to be fraudulent or staged are the sinking of the RMS Lusitania, the Attack on Pearl Harbor, and the Gulf of Tonkin Incident; all occurrences which carried the U.S into the First World War, Second World War and Vietnam War respectively.

According to the film, the U.S. was forced by the Federal Reserve Bank to become embroiled in these wars not to win but to sustain conflict, as it forces its government to borrow more money from the bank, with interest attached, thereby increasing the nation's debt and the profits of those who own The Fed. The film gives a history of the Reserve, claiming it engineered the Great Depression to steal wealth from the American population and was responsible for the attempts to assassinate Louis McFadden, a congressman who attempted to impeach the Reserve.

[TRake]

Re: The real 9/11 story?

My apologies, the hyperlink above stated the following:

January 22, 2009
Miami Herald


WASHINGTON - President Barack Obama began overhauling U.S. treatment of terror suspects Thursday, signing orders to close the Guantanamo Bay detention center, shut down secret overseas CIA prisons, review military war crimes trials and ban the harshest interrogation methods.
With his action, Obama started changing how the United States prosecutes and questions al-Qaida, Taliban or other foreign fighters who pose a threat to Americans - and overhauling America's image abroad, battered by accusations of the use of torture and the indefinite detention of suspects at the Guantanamo prison in Cuba.
"The message that we are sending the world is that the United States intends to prosecute the ongoing struggle against violence and terrorism and we are going to do so vigilantly and we are going to do so effectively and we are going to do so in a manner that is consistent with our values and our ideals," the president said.
The centerpiece order would close the much-maligned Guantanamo facility within a year, a complicated process with many unanswered questions that was nonetheless a key campaign promise of Obama's. The administration already has suspended trials for terrorist suspects at Guantanamo for 120 days pending a review of the military tribunals.
In the other actions, Obama:
-Created a task force to recommend policies on handling terror suspects who are detained in the future. Specifically, the group would look at where those detainees should be housed since Guantanamo is closing.
-Required all U.S. personnel to follow the U.S. Army Field Manual while interrogating detainees. The manual explicitly prohibits threats, coercion, physical abuse and waterboarding, a technique that creates the sensation of drowning and has been termed a form of torture by critics. However, a Capitol Hill aide says that the administration also is planning a study of more aggressive interrogation methods that could be added to the Army manual - which would create a significant loophole to Obama's action Thursday.
"We believe that the Army Field Manual reflects the best judgment of our military, that we can abide by a rule that says we don't torture, but that we can still effectively obtain the intelligence that we need," Obama said. He said his action reflects an understanding that "we are willing to observe core standards of conduct, not just when it's easy, but also when it's hard."
A task force will study whether other interrogation guidelines - beyond what's spelled out in the Army manual - are necessary for intelligence professionals in dealing with terror suspects.
But an Obama administration official said that provision should not be considered a loophole that will allow controversial "enhanced interrogation techniques" to be re-introduced. The official spoke on condition of anonymity to speak candidly about the administration's thinking.
The order also orders the CIA to close all its existing detention facilities abroad for terror suspects - and prohibits those prisons from being used in the future. The agency has used those secret "black site" prisons around the world to question terror suspects.
-Directed the Justice Department to review the case of Qatar native Ali al-Marri, who is the only enemy combatant currently being held on U.S. soil. The directive will ask the high court for a stay in al-Marri's appeals case while the review is ongoing. The government says al-Marri is an al-Qaida sleeper agent.
An estimated 245 men are being held at the U.S. naval base in Cuba, most of whom have been detained for years without being charged with a crime. Among the sticky issues the Obama administration has to resolve are where to put those detainees - whether back in their home countries or at other federal detention centers - and how to prosecute some of them for war crimes.
"We intend to win this fight. We're going to win it on our terms," Obama said as he signed three executive orders and a presidential directive.
The administration official said Obama's government will not transfer detainees to countries that will mistreat them, including their own home country.
In his first Oval Office signing ceremony, Obama was surrounded by retired senior military leaders. He described them as outstanding Americans who have defended the country - and its ideals.

[Rajiv]

Re: The real 9/11 story?

Here is the link to the military.com story

[TRake]

Re: The real 9/11 story?

Everything from "Wiki" can not be trusted as truth. Similar to Itulip, and the Bible, Wiki is produced by people. LSD is not altogether a bad thing, but I can say that taking too much at a live dead show can leave you lying on the ground with your eyes closed.

Sanity is defined as: the quality or state of being sane; especially: soundness of health of mind.

Insanity is defined as: 1) a deranged state of the mind usually occuring as a specific disorder. 2) such unsoundness of mind or lack of understanding as prevents one from having the mental capacity required by law to enter into a particular relationship, status, or transaction or as removes one from criminal or civil responsibility. 3 a) extreme folly or unreasonableness. b) something utterly foolish or unreasonable.

nutjobs is undefined, therefore, I don't understand the post.

[D-Mack]

Re: The real 9/11 story?

Will anybody pay attention to it in a year, due to the economic situation?


Also this KSM trial was joke, how about getting an open trial ?

http://edition.cnn.com/2007/US/03/14...med/index.html

[TRake]

Re: The real 9/11 story?

Things are easily forgotten these days. I am sure that has been said by people throughout time. EJ is smart by studying history in order to form opinions about the future. If I could only remember everything I have ever read and have it available on command. A self aware, thinking computer would be great, but is it possible. David Hume

Honestly, the Thain situation is more disturbing to me than KSM. It is unbelievable that anyone would think that Thain being canned is punishment. I would also say that Madoff, willing to sacrifice his final years in order to benefit himself, his family and friends (friends from his perspective, not those whose money he took), may be the most successful scheme for family advancement ever executed. That is unless his family in turn gets executed.