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    Some hoped that the time had finally come to bring high-speed rail to the United States, or to wean the nation from its dependence on foreign oil with new or transformed public transit systems, or to take bold action to solve the problems of rising populations and falling reservoir levels across the Southwest.

    But those hopes are fading. As the details of the plan come into focus, big transformative building projects seem unlikely. And the plan does not begin to provide the kind of money that civil engineers believe is needed to bring the nation’s aging bridges and water systems and roads and transit systems to a state of good repair.

    Less than one-third of the $825 billion plan that was introduced Thursday in the House would go to infrastructure, and much of that would go to high-tech projects, rather than traditional concrete-and-steel building and repair work. The rest would go to tax cuts and aid to help states pay for health care and education. At a time when the American Society of Civil Engineers has estimated that $1.6 trillion is needed to improve the nation’s crumbling infrastructure, the proposal calls for spending $30 billion on roads and, to the consternation of transit advocates, only $10 billion on transit and rail.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/20/us...ml?_r=1&ref=us

    What will Washington's response be to frozen existing state infrastructure projects across the nation? Even less new projects, I expect

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    Get rid of the economically-crippling suburbs and you would not have this damn problem.

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    • #3
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      Yes, not the "change" I was looking for.

      http://trains4america.wordpress.com/...s-shafts-rail/

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        Originally posted by BadJuju View Post
        Get rid of the economically-crippling suburbs and you would not have this damn problem.
        Indeed.

        They would probably have some other, equally intractable, problem. ;)

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          Originally posted by GRG55 View Post
          Indeed.

          They would probably have some other, equally intractable, problem. ;)
          guy's been reading that klusterfucker guy. he thinks erasing his childhood suburban nightmare will cure the usa energy crisis. what a dork. the rest of us either got over it or moved to the city.

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            Originally posted by BadJuju View Post
            Get rid of the economically-crippling suburbs and you would not have this damn problem.
            America's pride and joy, the Interstate Highway System partly conceived by America's War Racketeers is now a millstone around the country's neck. A lot of that Infrastructure $$$ is needed to keep these highways going, witness MN bridge collapse.

            Two questions come to mind about this system and America's road systems in general:

            1. Since these roads were built by Politicians, how much of the $$$ spent were Graft, Corruption and Waste? (Senator Ted Stevens famous BRIDGE TO NOWHERE and Boston's infamous BIG DIG which started out at about $3B and ended up over $20B!) So how much of this System was not built properly in the first place with skimming and shoddy construction?
            2. Is it cost effective to repair a shoddy, old, antiquated System or better to go to something newer and more cost effective?

            Where I live, ALL POLITICIANS are in favor of roads, roads, roads and the attendant Graft, Corruption and Waste. In general they love Infrastructure.

            Hard to see Infrastructure as an economic solution. Just more of what got us in the Mess.

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              Originally posted by metalman View Post
              guy's been reading that klusterfucker guy. he thinks erasing his childhood suburban nightmare will cure the usa energy crisis. what a dork. the rest of us either got over it or moved to the city.
              Yep! Read him every monday and he is more right than wrong.

              You can not rationally except a peak cheap oil thesis, and in the near future, a peak production oil thesis and believe the commuting habits of America's suburbs are sustainable. Money thrown at highways and rail systems in the burbs is as useful as money thrown at AIG, BOA and Citi. Infrastructure in the cities and rural areas is worthwhile.

              As President Obama said yesterday, "Starting today, we must pick ourselves up, dust ourselves off, and begin again the work of remaking America." AND "nor can we consume the world's resources without regard to effect."

              We have as little chance of sustaining a transportation lifestyle that requires the consumption of 25% of the worlds energy, much of which comes from unfriendly nations, as we do of sustaining a FIRE economy.

              The simple fact is: we are an overpopulated nation without anywhere near the physical resources to sustain the wasteful lifestyle Americans have been living. Change is coming, whether we like it or not.

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                Originally posted by we_are_toast View Post
                ...Change is coming, whether we like it or not.
                As an outside observer I can't help but wonder why so many people in the USA seem to think that "change is coming"? That seems to deny that the United States has been in a constant state of change, sometimes for "better" and sometimes for "worse" [depending on one's vantage and point of view], since inception 233 years ago.

                In contrast to much of Europe, which labours under the societal burden of adhering to traditions, and the rampant tribalism that grips much of the rest of the world, the USA has a history of successful adaptation to changing circumstances. One does not get to be the world's "sole Superpower" [however brief that status turns out to be valid] by standing still.

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