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  • #16
    Re: A letter from the BOSS

    You sound like George McGovern before he tried to run his own business and had an epiphany -

    A Politician's Dream Is a Businessman's Nightmare




    (BY GEORGE MCGOVERN)

    `Wisdom too often never comes, and so one ought not to reject it merely because it comes late.'--Justice Felix Frankfurter.
    It's been 11 years since I left the U.S. Senate, after serving 24 years in high public office. After leaving a career in politics, I devoted much of my time to public lectures that took me into every state in the union and much of Europe, Asia, the Middle East and Latin America.
    In 1988, I invested most of the earnings from this lecture circuit acquiring the leasehold on Connecticut's Stratford Inn. Hotels, inns and restaurants have always held a special fascination for me. The Stratford Inn promised the realization of a longtime dream to own a combination hotel, restaurant and public conference facility--complete with an experienced manager and staff.
    In retrospect, I wish I had known more about the hazards and difficulties of such a business, especially during a recession of the kind that hit New England just as I was acquiring the inn's 43-year leasehold. I also wish that during the years I was in public office, I had had this firsthand experience about the difficulties business people face every day. That knowledge would have made me a better U.S. senator and a more understanding presidential contender.
    Today we are much closer to a general acknowledgment that government must encourage business to expand and grow. Bill Clinton, Paul Tsongas, Bob Kerrey and others have, I believe, changed the debate of our party. We intuitively know that to create job opportunities we need entrepreneurs who will risk their capital against an expected payoff. Too often, however, public policy does not consider whether we are choking off those opportunities.
    My own business perspective has been limited to that small hotel and restaurant in Stratford, Conn., with an especially difficult lease and a severe recession. But my business associates and I also lived with federal, state and local rules that were all passed with the objective of helping employees, protecting the environment, raising tax dollars for schools, protecting our customers from fire hazards, etc. While I never doubted the worthiness of any of these goals, the concept that most often eludes legislators is: `Can we make consumers pay the higher prices for the increased operating costs that accompany public regulation and government reporting requirements with reams of red tape.' It is a simple concern that is nonetheless often ignored by legislators.
    For example, the papers today are filled with stories about businesses dropping health coverage for employees. We provided a substantial package for our staff at the Stratford Inn. However, were we operating today, those costs would exceed $150,000 a year for health care on top of salaries and other benefits. There would have been no reasonably way for us to absorb or pass on these costs.
    Some of the escalation in the cost of health care is attributed to patients suing doctors. While one cannot assess the merit of all these claims, I've also witnessed firsthand the explosion in blame-shifting and scapegoating for every negative experience in life.
    Today, despite bankruptcy, we are still dealing with litigation from individuals who fell in or near our restaurant. Despite these injuries, not every misstep is the fault of someone else. Not every such incident should be viewed as a lawsuit instead of an unfortunate accident. And while the business owner may prevail in the end, the endless exposure to frivolous claims and high legal fees is frightening.
    Our Connecticut hotel, along with many others, went bankrupt for a variety of reasons, the general economy in the Northeast being a significant cause. But that reason masks the variety of other challenges we faced that drive operating costs and financing charges beyond what a small business can handle.
    It is clear that some businesses have products that can be priced at almost any level. The price of raw materials (e.g., steel and glass) and life-saving drugs and medical care are not easily substituted by consumers. It is only competition or antitrust that tempers price increases. Consumers may delay purchases, but they have little choice when faced with higher prices.
    In services, however, consumers do have a choice when faced with higher prices. You may have to stay in a hotel while on vacation, but you can stay fewer days. You can eat in restaurants fewer times per month, or forgo a number of services from car washes to shoeshines. Every such decision eventually results in job losses for someone. And often these are the people without the skills to help themselves--the people I've spent a lifetime trying to help.
    In short, `one-size-fits-all' rules for business ignore the reality of the market place. And setting thresholds for regulatory guidelines at artificial levels--e.g., 50 employees or more, $500,000 in sales--takes no account of other realities, such as profit margins, labor intensive vs. capital intensive businesses, and local market economics. The problem we face as legislators is: Where do we set the bar so that it is not too high to clear? I don't have the answer. I do know that we need to start raising these questions more often.

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    • #17
      Re: A letter from the BOSS

      Originally posted by we_are_toast View Post
      The same Anti-tax, get government off our back, Libertarian Fundamentalist B.S. that got us to this mess in the 1st Place. Deregulate, cut my taxes, blame it on the people who haven't even taken office yet! Even as the worlds economy crumbles, we haven't learned a damn thing!
      That was what got us into this mess??? I thought it was government sponsored FIRE economy that culminated when asset prices were driven sky high by government policy encouraging every American to buy a home...

      Go ask the LP how receptive government has been to their ideas...

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      • #18
        Re: A letter from the BOSS

        Originally posted by FRED View Post
        Have to object to the "Four legs good, two legs bad" sentiment expressed in your note. Don't agree with all the BOSS says here (what does he mean by "mud" exactly?) small businesses like the BOSS's pay too many taxes and generally have too much overhead relative to the value they create in the economy. Don't confuse the President of a 14 person company with the president of a 2,000 person company. Apples and oranges. The guy who built the 14 person company is subsidizing the 2,000 person company even more than his employees are.
        I can attest to that!

        Can you give me your illustration on that FRED? Thanks.

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        • #19
          Re: A letter from the BOSS

          Originally posted by FRED View Post
          Have to object to the "Four legs good, two legs bad" sentiment expressed in your note. Don't agree with all the BOSS says here (what does he mean by "mud" exactly?) small businesses like the BOSS's pay too many taxes and generally have too much overhead relative to the value they create in the economy. Don't confuse the President of a 14 person company with the president of a 2,000 person company. Apples and oranges. The guy who built the 14 person company is subsidizing the 2,000 person company even more than his employees are.
          Your objection is noted, but your assumption that I somehow fail to understand the burdens and challenges that small businesspeople face would be incorrect. The government should be the great referee in the marketplace, protecting the public's interest, making sure employees are treated fairly, and assuring there is free competition. Unfortunately, the referee has been paid off by the big corporations and neither the public, employees, nor small business is getting a fair shake.

          But when an employer, who holds the power of livelihood over his employees, writes a letter from his mansion with the Mercedes in the garage, complaining about his tax burden and falsely accusing others for the countries problems, and then threatens to leave the country unless his employees vote the way he instructs, I find this type of employer to be beyond disgusting. Our economy can no more succeed with employers like this than we can with Unions who would bleed a business dry, or employees who play the system against their employer.

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          • #20
            Re: A letter from the BOSS

            Half-assed strawman arguments written by an Ayn-fanatic on his coffee break from the Cato Institute.

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            • #21
              Re: A letter from the BOSS

              I'm gonna take on the target of the barbs here and tell all you whiners that
              letter is DEAD ON!

              I owned a business for 16.5 years before selling it. I didn't sell it because
              I hated it, I sold it because I no longer trusted my government.

              Every year my taxes went up, the rules and regs got more complex, and
              my fears of litigation grew. One year my industry was the specific target
              of state legislation that would have put me out of business -- as a favor
              to the unions in the state. It missed making it out of the senate by one
              vote, or I would ahve been toast.

              I sold out in 2007, and was happy to be done with it. I took a big pay
              cut, and my former employees definitely miss me as the new management
              is really not much like I was as a boss. BUT... now I sleep at night.

              I no longer wake up thinking about business. I no longer deal with a
              multitude of taxing agencies that see me as a target for cash and
              possible extortion. I no longer deal with everyone else's personal
              problems and how they brought them to work.

              No, I know that letter above well -- I could have just as well written
              it myself. Except I took the final step. I got out.

              Until you walk in another man's shoes, don't complain about how they
              look.
              Last edited by doom&gloom; January 16, 2009, 11:48 PM.

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              • #22
                Re: A letter from the BOSS

                This country doesn't need employers like him, or the local cronies that send projects his way. Pork all the way. Happy early retirement.

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                • #23
                  Re: there is nothing original here

                  I sense 2 groups here, 1. those that like government intervention, and 2. those that have experienced first hand the enforcement of intervention. All governments are violet and coercive when it comes to enforcement.

                  The first group votes for the redistribution of wealth by taking from the minority being employers (bosses). This mentality has throughout history lead countries into Fascism such as Germany, Italy, Russia, and now USSA, Canada, etc.

                  The Keynesian economists have had control for 100 years and we continue to have business cycles where the masses suffer and the elites prosper. Group 1 gets hurt the most from the intervention that they desire, Therefor don't expect their mentality to change, ever, they will not see the harm that they do to themselves.

                  For example, they want low interest rates, government services, and retirement savings plans, like OMERS and Teachers. So government intervenes and what happened over the last 20 years? The result, pensions plans grow forcing a stock market boom, little or no money in banks accounts (low interest rates), borrowed cheap money for housing and non productive stuff like new cars.

                  The boom ends when the wages of group 1 cant afford the loans for all the stuff bought on credit, regulation for health care, ecoterroism, government services, etc. Market crashes to support loans with cash. Money Velocity hits the brakes causing GDP declines. Governement contiues to intervene for group 1 which pisses off the employers even more. Nationalization of Companies to big to Fail, Deflation that permits the elites to buy up the whole country, and then inflation that redistributes wealth back to the elite.

                  there is nothing original here.

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                  • #24
                    Re: A letter from the BOSS

                    Originally posted by don View Post
                    A classic "shopkeeper" rant. How long have these been around? 100 years? 200 years? As long as there's been a PB. The classic dilemma of having one's head mooning over being a much junior partner of the "Fortune 500" (with absolute terror just below the surface with what they're capable of doing to that most tenuous partnership) and a very hard working guy from the neck down, with its concomitant paternal demands and disdain for the workforce at large.

                    This classic profile seems to apply to what's left, the technical/engineering strata, with the wholesale destruction of the traditionally self-employed hardware, office supply, etc, shopkeepers.

                    Two comments:

                    One, I think there will be a price to pay politically for the loss of all of those tens of thousands of self-employed businesses that up until lately had been an American fixture for centuries. They served as an outlet for the entrepreneurial 5% in real terms, and as an escapist fantasy for a larger percentage of those working for others. That pressure release valve is for the most part gone.

                    Two, this group, in hard times, has historically been an early supporter of totalitarian solutions to the crisis at hand. Shopkeepers may say something must be done, but will more likely watch from their shop doorway while the police club the demonstrators. What their diminished numbers will mean in that scenario is an open question.

                    (from a long, long line of the above )
                    who will invent anything?

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                    • #25
                      Re: A letter from the BOSS

                      Originally posted by doom&gloom View Post
                      I'm gonna take on the target of the barbs here and tell all you whiners that
                      letter is DEAD ON!

                      I owned a business for 16.5 years before selling it. I didn't sell it because
                      I hated it, I sold it because I no longer trusted my government.

                      Every year my taxes went up, the rules and regs got more complex, and
                      my fears of litigation grew. One year my industry was the specific target
                      of state legislation that would have put me out of business -- as a favor
                      to the unions in the state. It missed making it out of the senate by one
                      vote, or I would ahve been toast.

                      I sold out in 2007, and was happy to be done with it. I took a big pay
                      cut, and my former employees definitely miss me as the new management
                      is really not much like I was as a boss. BUT... now I sleep at night.

                      I no longer wake up thinking about business. I no longer deal with a
                      multitude of taxing agencies that see me as a target for cash and
                      possible extortion. I no longer deal with everyone else's personal
                      problems and how they brought them to work.

                      No, I know that letter above well -- I could have just as well written
                      it myself. Except I took the final step. I got out.

                      Until you walk in another man's shoes, don't complain about how they
                      look.
                      Complying with regulations is too hard. Whaaaaa. I fear litigation. Whaaaaaaaaaa. Paying taxes is not fair. Whaaaaaaa!

                      Compensating people for injuries for which one is liable is based upon principles of equity and has been the basis of tort jurisprudence for centuries. Imposing safety regulations upon individuals who may wish to profit by causing public harm is likewise neither new nor unjust. Deal with it.

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                      • #26
                        Re: A letter from the BOSS

                        I think people are reacting to the condescending attitude more than the overall arguement it voices. It is easy to read in the following:

                        - If you don't start a buisness, you are wasting your money and have no right to complain in the future.
                        - I chose to put my money into a buisness (ie speculated on future return on that investment) and am not getting what I expected. You should shoulder some of the responsibility to get me what I want or you are out of a job.
                        - If you don't start your own buisness, you aren't invested/dedicated/doing anything beyond a 40 hour weeks.
                        - A large part of buisness income goes to taxes - instead of scoping/scaling/managing growth/etc I would like to pay less. To do this, you need to pay more. [I'm not arguing that small buisness don't pay a lot of taxes with this point, just how the position as argued comes across]
                        - Screw the people in our society who, for whatever reason, can't take care of themselves. I'm more important and shouldn't have to support anyone.
                        - Taxes aren't an expense to be budgeted and dealt with by a buisness; they are suppressing growth. Growth which benefits me personally [more potential money coming in means more growth/profit/value for someone buying us]. Oh, and you'd be paid more but as the buisness wouldn't be paying the taxes, you'd have to lose more out of your paycheck to compensate.
                        - If something totally out of your control happens, I'll fire you.

                        Again, I'm not arguing that he doesn't have valid points. There are plenty. Instead of posing solutions though, it dumps the problem on others an an extremely condecending way.

                        I have issues with this because I risked working at a startup without pay for years trying to get something off the ground, lead teams, focused on work over life/pleasure, dealt with hiring/firing and budget shortfalls when profit missed projections and expenses [including taxes] hurt. I've worked 7 day weeks for months on end, average 60 and spend time at home studying to stay up to date; I don't turn off either. I've had my buisness model challeged as invalid by advancing tech. My industry has been targetted repeatedly by politicians for political gain, potentially putting me and the people I manage out of work. I've never had an ownership stake in any of the companies I've worked at. Don't you dare go about calling me lazy, wasteful, irresponsible and a poor decision maker just because I wasn't the guy on top.

                        So please, if you want to talk about this, engage me as an adult and discuss the problem and potential solutions.

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                        • #27
                          Re: A letter from the BOSS

                          The extent to which most employees don't understand how businesses work is one of the most frightening aspects of the current financial mess. Basic facts are either ignored or twisted into bizarre falsehoods. For example:

                          -- At any point in time, most businesses can only raise their prices so far. Beyond that point, total income will decline.
                          -- It is generally in a business owner's interest to provide good benefits. It allows them to attract and retain better employees. But when the cost of those benefits goes up, and those costs can't be passed along to customers (because of the first point above), then an employer has three options: either reduce profits, reduce the benefits or reduce the number of employees. A common solution is to do a little of the first two, and yet employers are rarely acknowledged for what they're giving up. Many employees just want more, more, more, without regard to cost. Why should an employer have to absorb those costs in the first place?
                          -- It is in a business owner's interest to pay their employees well. To do otherwise increases the risk that they will leave for a better-paying position, something that's particularly painful after an employer has invested in training someone. Paying well also tends to mean happier, more productive, higher-quality employees. Of course there is a balance, and employers also don't want to over-pay. Under normal circumstances, final pay and associated increases are heavily determined by market conditions, not by an employer's whim.
                          -- Employers really don't pay any taxes at all. It might look like they do. They might even write the checks. But if that money wasn't spent on taxes, it would most likely go towards things like growing the company, providing more jobs, paying higher salaries to attract better people. Although the owner might suffer a little as a result of high taxes, the ones who suffer the most are current and future employees. And yet, for some reason, employees are happy when their employers are levied with more taxes. Take E-FICA, for example; employer-paid social security. That's 8% or so of your salary that your employer pays on your behalf. If E-FICA didn't exist, employers could immediately pay their employees more, with no impact on their bottom-line.
                          -- It seems to be easy for employees to think that everything would be the same (or better) if their employer didn't even exist. What do you need them for in the first place? And yet they're the ones who put their capital, and often their personal livelihood on the line to start the company. As an employee, would you be willing to risk taking a loss if the company ran into trouble, if it meant your take-home pay would be higher when things were going well? Most employees are implicitly trading income stability for lower risk -- and yet they are jealous of their employers when they do well as a result of taking on the higher risk that they're unwilling to assume.

                          If people really hate their employers as much as they seem to, then they should quit. If all employers are evil, then work for yourself. Move to the country and support yourself. Invent something. But no, I guess keeping your job and bitching about it is easier. But then when your employer leaves because they get sick of the system, you'll be the first to complain about they're being so "unfair."

                          Personally, I'm thrilled when my employer is making money hand-over-fist. I want them to do well, because I know that it will be good for me too. I might not get a raise, but my job is that much more secure. Benefits might improve a little. My work environment might improve. More people might be employed in my neighborhood. If it's a big enough company, their success can lift the whole area.

                          FWIW, I'm not endorsing corporatism or fraud in any way. The marriage of business and government, and deception-for-profit are immoral and should be destroyed. But most businesses, and especially the small ones, aren't involved in those things -- and the OP wasn't addressing those points anyway.

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                          • #28
                            Re: A letter from the BOSS

                            A lot of this seems to come down to the simple fact tht employers fight to maximize profit as do employees. If either side can do better elsewhere and is unhappy, it should walk.

                            Employeers can gripe about taxes and ungrateful employees. Employees can complain about poor benefits relative to their peers at other companies. Complaining is rarely productive for anyone involved; people who complain and don't act will cause others to act on their behalves.

                            Frankly, most employers I've talked with try to shield employees from buisness details and instability to maximize their productivity. Employees are focused on whatever their role is within the company. If understanding the buisness is key, it should be treated as a responsibility for all employees by the company. If it isn't, the company shouldn't expect employees to attempt to maximize their take home without any regard for the company on a whole; that, after all, is the role of the person on top.

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                            • #29
                              Re: A letter from the BOSS

                              Originally posted by CharlesTMungerFan View Post
                              Complying with regulations is too hard. Whaaaaa. I fear litigation. Whaaaaaaaaaa. Paying taxes is not fair. Whaaaaaaa!

                              Compensating people for injuries for which one is liable is based upon principles of equity and has been the basis of tort jurisprudence for centuries. Imposing safety regulations upon individuals who may wish to profit by causing public harm is likewise neither new nor unjust. Deal with it.

                              well my little child, since you want to cry like one, you obviously have the
                              intellect of one. And most definitely you have never grown up enough to
                              experince the life of a real adult running a real business with real liability
                              and responsibility.

                              so tell my little man, why bother with your little man worthless comments?

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                              • #30
                                Re: A letter from the BOSS

                                Originally posted by BrianL View Post
                                A lot of this seems to come down to the simple fact tht employers fight to maximize profit as do employees.
                                As a former employer (who also walked away from his successful business), I disagree. My employees weren't just fighting to maximize profit; it was also about control and about destroying whatever profit I might have. They felt that since they were "doing the work," that all of the company's revenue belonged to them, and they should therefore be able to dictate how that money is spent -- but if those expenditures resulted in the company losing money, then it was my problem and not theirs. Their attitude was that I owed them a stable job with ever-increasing benefits, and they owed me nothing.

                                They completely ignored issues like operating overhead, risk of customer non-payment, finding new customers, and the marketing and innovation and effort that went into building the business in the first place. Those aspects were considered to have zero value. All they could see was the gross income.

                                It's actually funny to me when I hear employees talking about their "greedy" employers. Greed implies pursuing money that you don't deserve, and that you didn't earn. It's really the employees who are being greedy, by trying to rape their employers. Without the innovation that created the company in the first place, there would be no jobs. Fortunately, reality has a way of setting things right in the long term, as the folks at GM and similar companies are slowly learning.

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