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    For those expecting the US Dollar Index, which has a heavy weighting based on the Dollar/Euro exchange rate, to soon signal a weakening US Dollar in the face of record fiscal deficits, perhaps patience will be tested yet again.

    "Least Ugly" is taking on a whole new complexion. Will the Euro fall back to test par with the US Dollar this year? :eek:
    Trichet Propelled Toward Zero Rate by Deepening Slump

    Jan. 12 (Bloomberg) -- The sliding European economy is propelling European Central Bank President Jean-Claude Trichet toward the zero-interest-rate world he sought to avoid.

    A month after saying he didn’t want to be “trapped” with borrowing costs too low, Trichet may be caught with them too high, as the euro-region’s economy sinks faster than the ECB foresaw in December. As the bank’s governing council prepares to meet Jan. 15, caution from Trichet might prove costly, saddling Europe with a longer recession and weaker recovery than the U.S. faces.

    “The economy is in a potentially dangerous situation,” says Gilles Moec, a London-based economist with Bank of America Corp. and former Bank of France official. “There is still a case for very aggressive action from the ECB.”

    Accelerating job cuts and declining investment may shrink the economy of the 16 nations that share the euro by 2.5 percent this year, according to Bank of America and Deutsche Bank AG. That’s five times the rate of contraction the ECB staff projected last month.

    The slide puts pressure on the ECB to follow the U.S. Federal Reserve, the Bank of Japan and the Bank of England by dropping its key interest rate to unprecedented levels...

    ...data show Europe’s slump turning much worse. Services and manufacturing shrank last month by the most in at least a decade, and confidence among consumers is the weakest on record. Inflation fell below the ECB’s target of just under 2 percent for the first time since August 2007...

    ...The 22-member governing council meets in Frankfurt after having slashed its key rate by 1.75 percentage points since early October, to 2.5 percent. Economists expect a half percentage-point cut, to 2 percent, at this week’s meeting...While that would match the lowest rate in the bank’s 10-year history -- reached in 2003 -- it would still leave the ECB with the highest benchmark rate among major central banks...

    ...The European slide has steepened so rapidly that the ECB’s month-old forecasts of a 0.5 percent contraction this year and a 1.4 percent inflation rate already “look very unrealistic,” says Silvio Peruzzo, an economist at Royal Bank of Scotland Group Plc...
    Is the Swissie really a "safe haven" any more [is the Swiss economy large enough to allow the SNB and the Swiss government to afford to bail out its banking system if necessary]?
    UBS May Post $7.2 Billion Loss for Fourth Quarter, SZ Reports

    Jan. 11 (Bloomberg) -- UBS AG may post an 8 billion-franc ($7.2 billion) loss for the fourth quarter of 2008, SonntagsZeitung reported, without saying where it got the information.

    Such a result would take the bank’s full-year deficit to more than 20 billion francs, making it the biggest Swiss corporate loss, the Zurich-based newspaper wrote.
    And in the latest installment in the "race to the bottom" soap opera...
    Ruble Falls to 6-Year Low as Russia Devalues 2nd Time in 2 Days

    Jan. 12 (Bloomberg) -- Russia's ruble slid to the weakest level in almost six years against the dollar as the central bank devalued the currency for the second day amid declining oil prices...

    ...“After the long holiday the central bank’s come back intent on showing they’re still on a devaluation path,” said Ulrich Leuchtmann, head of currency strategy at Commerzbank AG in Frankfurt, which rates itself one of the top 10 traders of the ruble in the world...

    ...The ruble may retreat 10 percent against the basket this month as companies and banks buy foreign currency to repay more than $80 billion of debt this year, according to Societe Generale SA. Danske Bank A/S in Copenhagen sees a 15 percent drop in the ruble by year end...

    ...Bank Rossii, the central bank, has devalued the currency 14 times since Nov. 11...

    ...The nation, which is the world’s largest energy exporter, has depleted its foreign-currency reserves by 27 percent since the start of August as the central bank sought to mitigate the currency’s slide...Russia’s currency basket is made up of about 55 percent dollars and the rest euros.
    Last edited by GRG55; January 12, 2009, 08:15 AM.

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    Re: Euro Heading Down?

    It is to be expected that the currencies of nations (with government lending rates higher than to US) to fall as these rates are slashed to match the American beggar thy neighbor (or more correctly, drown your own debts).

    The question is still what happens once all of these achieve stability at the zero bound?

    On the Russian side, I've converted 50% of my holdings to dollars; these are only getting 5.5% in the bank, but still better than what I can get in the States.

    I actually see the BoR allowing the ruble to fall to be a good thing; rather than spend the last 5 years' accumulated reserves on defending the currency, instead allowing fall of the ruble will both reduce imports and increase the value of Russian exports...at least once the gas pumps are back on

    The oligarch squeeze continues - from what I can tell the Russian government is making the decision to throw the oligarchs under the bus. While allowing the ruble to fall brings back the public's fear of a repeat of 1998, on the other hand a cheaper ruble squeezes the oligarchs even more.

    The massive debts these inveterate gamblers took on are almost exclusively dollars and euros. A falling ruble means the oligarchs will have even more difficulty servicing their debts thus opening the door for the Russian government to use its still $400B strong currency reserves to pick off choice bits.

    From what I can see, the oligarch's also represent more than 80% of corporate debt in Russia, and even more as a percentage of foreign denominated debt.

    I can see a possible outcome where the oligarch's and their unserviceable debt go into foreclosure, but only after the Russian government has re-nationalized the best parts.

    The ones holding the bag? the foreign creditors.

    Once this is done - no doubt oil prices will have stabilized as well.

    9 months to a year.

    Some analysts are calling for 50 rubles/dollar - I'm not sure it will hit that point but it will definitely get worse.

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      Re: Euro Heading Down?

      Some more color:

      http://www.spiegel.de/international/...600164,00.html

      RusOliSpiegel.jpg

      This of course doesn't tell the whole picture - specifically the offshore assets squirreled away by these busy busy bees. But still instructional.

      But the halcyon days now appear to be over. The US business magazine Forbes estimates that the 25 richest Russians alone have lost nearly €180 billion during the current global economic crisis. Abramovich, who invested his money primarily in the holding company Evraz, lost a staggering amount of money on the London Stock Exchange within just six months as Evraz's value plummeted from €28 billion to just €3.2 billion. Russian steel baron Alexei Mordashov, who has a stake in the German travel giant TUI, lost €18 billion.


      The total amount of debt owed by large Russian companies and banks comes to an estimated €360 billion. That is almost as much money as the Russian state, which controls the third-largest gold and currency reserves in the world, still has set aside for a rainy day, after weeks of market interventions to shore up the faltering ruble and costly bailout packages for financial institutions and companies.

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        Re: Euro Heading Down?

        Originally posted by GRG55 View Post
        For those expecting the US Dollar Index, which has a heavy weighting based on the Dollar/Euro exchange rate, to soon signal a weakening US Dollar in the face of record fiscal deficits, perhaps patience will be tested yet again.

        "Least Ugly" is taking on a whole new complexion. Will the Euro fall back to test par with the US Dollar this year?...
        FOREX-Euro hits 1-month lows vs dollar, yen on rates

        Tue Jan 13, 2009 1:46am EST

        TOKYO, Jan 13 (Reuters)...The euro extended losses, also dragged down by a potential downgrade of Spain's top "AAA" rating by Standard and Poor's that heightened worries about the euro zone's economic outlook...

        ...the euro appeared to be an immediate selling target after Spain became the third euro zone country since Friday to be warned by rating agency S&P that its credit rating is under threat...

        ...As in the case of Ireland and Greece last Friday, S&P said Spain faces a painful rebalancing of its economy and a marked deterioration of its public finances...



        Germany answers critics with new stimulus package

        Tue Jan 13, 2009 10:20am EST

        BERLIN, Jan 13 (Reuters) - Germany unveiled a new 50 billion euro ($66 billion) stimulus package on Tuesday to shield its economy from the worst recession since World War Two and silence critics who have accused it of doing too little to boost growth...

        Trichet's opportunity to join the Club of ZIRP, and then print at will, is much enhanced this week already...and it's only Tuesday. :eek:
        Last edited by GRG55; January 14, 2009, 12:13 AM.

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          Re: Euro Heading Down?

          So much for the Oligarchy gap! The Russians were pulling ahead for a while but the reserve currency just saved the US Oligarchs while toasting the Russkies.

          You're onto something Phirang!

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            Re: Euro Heading Down?

            The NZD has been taking a beating lately too -- down to 0.5593 today.

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              Re: Euro Heading Down?

              Originally posted by GRG55 View Post
              ...And in the latest installment in the "race to the bottom" soap opera...
              Ruble Falls to 6-Year Low as Russia Devalues 2nd Time in 2 Days

              Jan. 12 (Bloomberg) -- Russia's ruble slid to the weakest level in almost six years against the dollar as the central bank devalued the currency for the second day amid declining oil prices...

              ...“After the long holiday the central bank’s come back intent on showing they’re still on a devaluation path,” said Ulrich Leuchtmann, head of currency strategy at Commerzbank AG in Frankfurt, which rates itself one of the top 10 traders of the ruble in the world...

              ...The ruble may retreat 10 percent against the basket this month as companies and banks buy foreign currency to repay more than $80 billion of debt this year, according to Societe Generale SA. Danske Bank A/S in Copenhagen sees a 15 percent drop in the ruble by year end...

              ...Bank Rossii, the central bank, has devalued the currency 14 times since Nov. 11...

              ...The nation, which is the world’s largest energy exporter, has depleted its foreign-currency reserves by 27 percent since the start of August as the central bank sought to mitigate the currency’s slide...Russia’s currency basket is made up of about 55 percent dollars and the rest euros.
              Things appear to be getting truly desperate. Third ruble devaluation in 4 days. What was that Bernanke said a few years ago about a determined government always being able to create inflation. :eek:

              Bank Rossii would appear to be stuck between a currency market "rock" and a geopolitical "hard place"...
              Ruble Devalued to Six-Year Low as Gas Dispute Deters Investors

              Jan. 14 (Bloomberg) -- The ruble fell to lowest in six years against the dollar after the central bank devalued the currency for the third time in four days and the government’s dispute with Ukraine over gas shipments remained unresolved.

              The currency fell to as low as 31.7560 per dollar today, the weakest since February 2003. The ruble has dropped 26 percent against the dollar since August as Bank Rossii, which manages the ruble against a target dollar-euro basket, widened its trading band. The range was expanded again today, a bank official said, without providing details...

              ...Bank Rossii allowed the ruble to fall about 1 percent five times from Nov. 11, upping the pace to as much as 1.5 percent per devaluation from Dec. 17, after which it allowed 10 declines.

              The devaluation is “very bad” for importers as it raises costs and dents demand among consumers, Alexander Lebedev, the Russian millionaire that has a blocking stake in OAO Aeroflot, the country’s largest airline, said in an interview yesterday. Lebedev also owns National Land Co., which he says is Russia’s biggest potato producer.

              “For me it is bad because I develop agriculture and they increased duties on equipment and there is the exchange rate on top of that now,” he said. “It is bad when I take out currency loans.” ...

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                Re: Euro Heading Down?

                Originally posted by GRG55 View Post


                ...As in the case of Ireland and Greece last Friday, S&P said Spain faces a painful rebalancing of its economy and a marked deterioration of its public finances...


                ...Trichet's opportunity to join the Club of ZIRP, and then print at will, is much enhanced this week already...and it's only Tuesday. :eek:
                Wednesday, and the Euro currency zone stress levels would appear to be slowly, slowly ratcheting up...
                Greece’s Sovereign Credit Rating Cut to A- by S&P

                Jan. 14 (Bloomberg) -- Greece had its sovereign credit rating lowered one step by Standard & Poor’s, which cited the country’s weakening finances...

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                  Wow, I just might get another Euro vacation in this year after all, as long as flights don't get crazy expensive!

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                    Re: Euro Heading Down?

                    Originally posted by GRG55 View Post
                    FOREX-Euro hits 1-month lows vs dollar, yen on rates

                    Tue Jan 13, 2009 1:46am EST

                    TOKYO, Jan 13 (Reuters)...The euro extended losses, also dragged down by a potential downgrade of Spain's top "AAA" rating by Standard and Poor's that heightened worries about the euro zone's economic outlook...

                    ...the euro appeared to be an immediate selling target after Spain became the third euro zone country since Friday to be warned by rating agency S&P that its credit rating is under threat...

                    ...As in the case of Ireland and Greece last Friday, S&P said Spain faces a painful rebalancing of its economy and a marked deterioration of its public finances...



                    Germany answers critics with new stimulus package

                    Tue Jan 13, 2009 10:20am EST

                    BERLIN, Jan 13 (Reuters) - Germany unveiled a new 50 billion euro ($66 billion) stimulus package on Tuesday to shield its economy from the worst recession since World War Two and silence critics who have accused it of doing too little to boost growth...

                    Trichet's opportunity to join the Club of ZIRP, and then print at will, is much enhanced this week already...and it's only Tuesday. :eek:
                    No longer just a threat:
                    Spain’s Debt Downgraded by S&P as Slump Swells Budget

                    Jan. 19 (Bloomberg) -- Spain had its AAA sovereign credit removed by Standard & Poor’s in the second downgrade of a euro- region government in five days, as the country’s first recession in 15 years swelled the budget deficit.

                    The rating was lowered one step to AA+, S&P said today in a statement from London...

                    ...“Current economic and financial market conditions have highlighted structural weaknesses in the Spanish economy that are inconsistent with a AAA rating"...

                    ...Spain’s economy, which outpaced the euro region for more than a decade, entered a recession in the second half of last year as the credit crisis fueled the collapse of a debt-fueled domestic housing boom, sending the unemployment rate to the highest in Europe. The government has announced about 90 billion euros ($119 billion) of stimulus measures and steps to support banks amid a decline in tax revenue.

                    The government, which has yet to publish its borrowing plan for 2009, has offered to guarantee 100 billion euros of new bank debt this year to support lenders that are suffering from the global credit freeze and surging defaults.

                    The downgrade of Spain follows a move to cut Greece’s rating one step to A- on Jan. 14 and a warning to Portugal on Jan. 13 that its rating could be downgraded. S&P also reduced the outlook on Ireland’s rating to negative from stable...
                    And what was it Trichet said last week about the ECB not allowing the official rate to get near zero? Sure...
                    EU Sees Euro Area in Deepest Slump in 10-Year History

                    Jan. 19 (Bloomberg) -- The euro-area economy will contract this year for the first time since the currency was introduced a decade ago, the European Commission forecast, cutting its outlook for the region.

                    The economy of the 16 countries sharing the euro will shrink 1.9 percent in 2009, the Brussels-based commission said today, revising a November estimate for growth of 0.1 percent. The forecast is more pessimistic than the 0.5 percent contraction predicted by the European Central Bank last month...

                    ...The economic slump deepened in the fourth quarter, according to the commission, which estimates that gross domestic product shrank by 1.5 percent in the final three months of the year after a 0.2 percent contraction in the previous two quarters...

                    ...As the economy slumps, unemployment will rise and the region’s budget deficit may breach the EU limit of 3 percent of output for the first time, according to the commission...

                    ...The region’s unemployment rate will probably jump to 9.3 percent this year from 7.5 percent in 2008, the commission said. The budget deficit will probably swell to 4 percent this year and 4.4 percent in 2010 from 1.7 percent in 2008, it said...

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                      Re: Euro Heading Down?

                      LOL...

                      Remember "Sub-prime is contained"?

                      Here's the Euro-language version of that Greek tragedy:
                      Provopoulos Sees ‘Limited’ Room for Further Rate Cuts

                      Jan. 19 (Bloomberg) -- European Central Bank council member George Provopoulos said the scope for further interest-rate reductions is “limited” and markets would be wrong to bet on the benchmark dropping to 1 percent.

                      While there is still “room to maneuver” on rates, “if the markets should be expecting us to cut as far as 1 percent or even lower, this is something different,” Provopoulos, who heads the Greek central bank, said in a Jan. 16 interview in Athens. “We have given no such indication. The scope for further cuts will be limited.” ...

                      ...While Provopoulos didn’t rule out another half-point move, he indicated the ECB’s stomach for aggressive cuts is weakening. After 2.25 percentage points of easing since October, interest rates are “already at very low levels,” ...

                      ...“I’m not excluding further reductions if inflation prospects warrant such reductions,” Provopoulos said. “But I should caution in the sense that some people interpret this as interest rates going close to zero, which is not true in our case.”...
                      I wonder where Provopoulos is spending his winter? He does not seem to be aware of what's been happening in recent months in Athens and elsewhere in Greece...
                      Last edited by GRG55; January 19, 2009, 08:11 AM.

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                        Re: Euro Heading Down?

                        This is a very interesting situation unfolding.

                        Basically with each EU member nation needing to issue its own bonds in order to fund deficit stimulus spending, yet somehow linked to a common currency, yet also no longer apparently needing to meet 3% budgetary deficit guidelines, the question is going to be who will be stupid enough to both remain in the EU AND not run gigantic deficits?

                        Or in shorter words: when is Germany leaving?

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                          This Euro weekness is shown dramtically in the Euro gold price: it is only a touch off its all time high of 670 set middle of Sept '08! Nice improvement over the previous high set in March at 649. Euro gold is a classic bull market of higher lows and higher highs.

                          @ Jay - I recently booked my flight to Vienna! I hope Euro is parity to the USD when I arrive.

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                            link: Monetary Statistics The Central Bank of the Russian Federation

                            Only for the statistics nerds.
                            get your statistics straight from the horses mouth.

                            Monetary Statistics
                            http://www.cbr.ru/eng/statistics/credit_statistics/
                            Justice is the cornerstone of the world

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                              Re: Euro Heading Down?

                              Originally posted by c1ue View Post
                              This is a very interesting situation unfolding.

                              Basically with each EU member nation needing to issue its own bonds in order to fund deficit stimulus spending, yet somehow linked to a common currency, yet also no longer apparently needing to meet 3% budgetary deficit guidelines, the question is going to be who will be stupid enough to both remain in the EU AND not run gigantic deficits?

                              Or in shorter words: when is Germany leaving?
                              I was glad to see EJ and Dr. Hudson cover this subject in some depth in their discussion just published on iTulip. Linking the Euro non-currency to piecemeal bonds and no authority to tax. I've been on Euro-death-watch since there's been a Euro to watch. I'm sure the British are telling the Germans...now do you see what we mean? It's going to get much worse.

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