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    In an earlier thread started 2-28-08, we discussed what the likely impact of the coming financial and economic crisis would be on U.S. prison population.

    In early 2008, Pew Center (think tank) issued report suggesting U.S. should look at alternatives to current incarceration policies and gave some statistics. 2,319,258 (1 in 99) of U.S. adult population is in prison or jail. On a per capita basis, U.S. imprisons more people than any other country (750 per 100,000) and on a pure numbers basis, U.S. is also the leader - next is far more populous China with 1,500,000 in prison/jail.

    Well, we now have a real-world answer and it's playing out as expected.

    (Note: my personal opinion is that we need to provide treatment alternatives for non-violent drug users and not criminalize them, for starters. Then move on to a focus on rehabilitation, while people are in prison, since most will re-join society at some point, and states will have less money in the future to sustain these huge prison populations).

    From MSNBC:

    "Budget woes prompt officials to consider changes in corrections policies

    NEW YORK - Their budgets in crisis, governors, legislators and prison officials across the nation are making or considering policy changes that will likely remove tens of thousands of offenders from prisons and parole supervision.Collectively, the pending and proposed initiatives could add up to one of biggest shifts ever in corrections policy, putting into place cost-saving reforms that have struggled to win political support in the tough-on-crime climate of recent decades.
    'Prior to this fiscal crisis, legislators could tinker around the edges — but we're now well past the tinkering stage,' said Marc Mauer, executive director of the Sentencing Project, which advocates alternatives to incarceration.

    'Many political leaders who weren't comfortable enough, politically, to do it before can now — under the guise of fiscal responsibility — implement programs and policies that would be win/win situations, saving money and improving corrections,' Mauer said.

    In California, faced with a projected $42 billion deficit and prison overcrowding that has triggered a federal lawsuit, Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger wants to eliminate parole for all offenders not convicted of violent or sex-related crimes, reducing the parole population by about 70,000. He also wants to divert more petty criminals to county jails and grant early release to more inmates — steps that could trim the prison population by 15,000 over the next 18 months...

    New York Gov. David Paterson wants early release for 1,600 inmates as well as an overhaul of the so-called Rockefeller Drug Laws that impose lengthy mandatory sentences on many nonviolent drug offenders...."

    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/28592088

    Original discussion thread:
    http://www.itulip.com/forums/showthread.php?t=3358
    Last edited by World Traveler; January 11, 2009, 01:28 AM. Reason: edit line spacing

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    Re: Budget Woes Impact State Prisons

    Dealers
    Muggers
    Carjackers
    Home breakers

    These NEED the Hard sentances, also 3 strikes...........the rest i be a lot easy on.

    Mike

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Mega View Post
      Dealers
      Muggers
      Carjackers
      Home breakers

      These NEED the Hard sentances, also 3 strikes...........the rest i be a lot easy on.

      Mike
      nah.... in 2009/2010 they'll let 1000s out of prison as they run for office on a platform of 'fiscal prudence' and flood the cities & towns with criminals that they mass produced when they put pot smokers in jail with robbers and killers... after getting elected in the 1990s on 'tough on crime' and 'zero tolerance' platforms.

      one politically motivated disastrous gov't policy deserves another :eek:

      but even before that happens...

      Lucas County encounters rise in felony cases
      Toledo Blade, OH - 7 hours ago
      Chief Navarre said part of the reason the city's overall crime rate decreased more than 4 percent from the year before is because of a significant decrease ...

      Nation’s crime rate rising to a depressing level
      Clarksdale Press Register, MS - Dec 22, 2008
      And I’m not talking about local crime. I’m not talking about nickel and dime crime. I’m talking about crime across the nation. I’m talking about murder, ...

      Rising gun sales driven by females, retirees
      Franklin Press, NC - Dec 16, 2008
      "They're worried about the crime rate rising, home invasions and personal safety," said William. The couple said a few weeks ago, a woman in her sixties ...
      Last edited by metalman; January 11, 2009, 02:14 PM.

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        Re: Budget Woes Impact State Prisons

        CA Fitts on the for-profit prison industry:

        http://www.dunwalke.com/10_Clinton_Administration.htm

        " . . .Much has been written about the use of the War on Drugs to intentionally disenfranchise poor people and engineer the centralization of political and economic power in the U.S. and globally, including an explosive rise in the U.S. prison population. . . . "
        Justice is the cornerstone of the world

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          Re: Budget Woes Impact State Prisons

          Originally posted by cobben View Post
          CA Fitts on the for-profit prison industry:

          http://www.dunwalke.com/10_Clinton_Administration.htm

          " . . .Much has been written about the use of the War on Drugs to intentionally disenfranchise poor people and engineer the centralization of political and economic power in the U.S. and globally, including an explosive rise in the U.S. prison population. . . . "
          The USA should legalize the stuff and tax it, just as they do with tobacco. Gawd knows they're going to need the revenue...

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            Re: Budget Woes Impact State Prisons

            Originally posted by GRG55 View Post
            The USA should legalize the stuff and tax it, just as they do with tobacco. Gawd knows they're going to need the revenue...
            I haven't done the math. What strategy is more profitable for the people in charge, legalization and taxation or prison industries and asset forfeiture?

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              Re: Budget Woes Impact State Prisons

              Originally posted by babbittd View Post
              I haven't done the math. What strategy is more profitable for the people in charge, legalization and taxation or prison industries and asset forfeiture?
              Good point. What's good for the country, and what's good for select special interests, are rarely the same thing...:p

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                Re: Budget Woes Impact State Prisons

                Originally posted by GRG55 View Post
                Good point. What's good for the country, and what's good for select special interests, are rarely the same thing...:p
                That was only stated partially tounge-in-cheek. Maybe someone in government has done the math. Asset forfeiture is a big business, especially here in cash-strapped California.

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                • #9
                  Re: Budget Woes Impact State Prisons

                  In Massachusetts, marijuana was decriminalized by a voter initiative in the last election (possessing amounts less than 1 oz. punishable by written citation). I'm not sure if anyone has looked closely at how this will improve the state prison budget. Also not sure how it affects pot smokers previously convicted.

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                    Re: Budget Woes Impact State Prisons

                    Originally posted by quigleydoor View Post
                    In Massachusetts, marijuana was decriminalized by a voter initiative in the last election (possessing amounts less than 1 oz. punishable by written citation). I'm not sure if anyone has looked closely at how this will improve the state prison budget. Also not sure how it affects pot smokers previously convicted.
                    Question 2 Law Enforcement Q&A

                    Question 2 does not turn past convictions for possession of marijuana into civil offenses. It simply decriminalizes the possession of an ounce or less of marijuana or THC after January 2, 2009.

                    *****

                    In 2006, 6,902 people were arrested in Massachusetts for marijuana possession - more than 38 percent of all the drug arrests in the state that year, according to the FBI's Uniform Crime Reports.

                    via Boston.com

                    *****

                    The National Organization for the Reform of Marijuana Laws reported Monday that the FBI's Uniform Crime Report for 2005 showed a record 786,545 people nationwide were arrested for marijuana offenses. Of the total, 696,074 were charged with marijuana possession.

                    source: Las Vegas Review-Journal via Cannabis News

                    *****

                    And the White House says:

                    Recent BJS estimates based on prisoner surveys show that at midyear 2002, approximately 8,400 state prison inmates were serving time for marijuana possession (any amount), and fewer than half of them were firsttime offenders. The point here is inescapable: Of the more than 1.2 million people serving time in state prisons across America, only 3,600 individuals were sentenced on a first offense for possession of marijuana. Again, this figure includes possession of any amount.33
                    Last edited by Slimprofits; January 12, 2009, 10:22 AM.

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