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    Investment Outlook
    Bill Gross | January 2009

    Andrew Mellon vs. Bailout Nation

    ...

    But Madoff’s scheme has a host of culpable look-alikes and one has only to begin with the mortgage market to understand the similarities. Option ARMs or Pick-A-Pay home loans allowed homeowners to make monthly payments that were so small they did not even cover their interest charges. Two million mortgagees either chose or were sold this Ponzi/Madoff form of skullduggery, believing that home prices never go down and that shoppers never drop. One can add to this the trillions in home equity/second mortgage loans that extracted “savings” in order to promote current instead of future consumption, and one begins to realize that Bernie Madoff and our cartoon’s Wimpy had company all these years.

    What about the shabby performance of the rating agencies? Were they not equally at fault for perpetrating a giant charade that was bound to end in tears? Of course: Aaa subprimes structured like a house of straw; Aaa monoline insurers built like a house of sticks; Aaa credits like AIG, FNMA, and FHLMC where only a huff and a puff could expose them for what they were – levered structures dependent upon asset price appreciation for their survival. Ponzi finance.

    I will go on. Municipalities with begging bowls now extended for over a trillion of Federal taxpayer dollars, based their budgets and their own handouts on the perpetual rise in home prices, the inevitable upward slope of sales taxes, and the never-ending increase in employment and personal income taxes. To add injury to insult, they conveniently “balanced” their books with a host of accounting tricks that Bernie Madoff could never have come up with in his wildest imagination. Now, with cash flow insufficient to meet current outflows, they are proving my point that we have met Mr. Ponzi and he is us – all of us: auto companies that siphoned sales dollars to make labor peace instead of research and design expenditures; hedge funds that preposterously billed investors for 2% and 20% of nothing; a President and politicians who thought they could fight a phony war for free and distract the nation’s attention from $40 trillion of future social security and health care liabilities. Ponzi, Ponzi, Ponzi.

    Still, future policymakers must confront the reality that is, not the one that should have been. And investors must do likewise, casting aside personal philosophies for a clear-headed view of the future horizon. PIMCO’s view is simple: shake hands with the government; make them your partner by acknowledging that their checkbook represents the largest and most potent source of buying power in 2009 and beyond. Anticipate, then buy what they buy, only do it first: agency-backed mortgages, bank preferred stocks, and senior bank debt; Aaa asset-backed securities such as credit card, student loan, and auto receivables. These have been well-advertised PIMCO strategies over the past 6 months but there are others in clear sight. An Obama administration will quickly be confronted by the need to provide those hundreds of billions of dollars to states and large municipalities. Their requests total nearly a trillion dollars and to think California or NYC would be allowed to fail is, well – unthinkable. Municipal bonds then, selling at historically high ratios relative to U.S. Treasuries, offer attractive price appreciation potential, or at the very least a defensiveness with high carry that a 2½% 10-year Treasury cannot.

    ...

    http://www.pimco.com/LeftNav/Feature...out+Nation.htm



    I guess Pimco is already shaking hands with them

    The Fed said it had selected investment managers BlackRock Inc (BLK.N), Goldman Sachs Asset Management (GS.N), PIMCO, and Wellington Management Co to implement the program, which will purchase mortgage backed securities (MBS) issued by issued by mortgage agencies Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac, and Ginnie Mae.

    http://itulip.com/forums/showthread....ighlight=pimco

  • #2
    Re: Bill Gross: Shake hands with the government... Anticipate, then buy what they buy, only do it f

    Originally posted by D-Mack View Post
    Investment Outlook
    Bill Gross | January 2009

    Andrew Mellon vs. Bailout Nation

    ...

    But Madoff’s scheme has a host of culpable look-alikes and one has only to begin with the mortgage market to understand the similarities. Option ARMs or Pick-A-Pay home loans allowed homeowners to make monthly payments that were so small they did not even cover their interest charges. Two million mortgagees either chose or were sold this Ponzi/Madoff form of skullduggery, believing that home prices never go down and that shoppers never drop. One can add to this the trillions in home equity/second mortgage loans that extracted “savings” in order to promote current instead of future consumption, and one begins to realize that Bernie Madoff and our cartoon’s Wimpy had company all these years.

    What about the shabby performance of the rating agencies? Were they not equally at fault for perpetrating a giant charade that was bound to end in tears? Of course: Aaa subprimes structured like a house of straw; Aaa monoline insurers built like a house of sticks; Aaa credits like AIG, FNMA, and FHLMC where only a huff and a puff could expose them for what they were – levered structures dependent upon asset price appreciation for their survival. Ponzi finance.

    I will go on. Municipalities with begging bowls now extended for over a trillion of Federal taxpayer dollars, based their budgets and their own handouts on the perpetual rise in home prices, the inevitable upward slope of sales taxes, and the never-ending increase in employment and personal income taxes. To add injury to insult, they conveniently “balanced” their books with a host of accounting tricks that Bernie Madoff could never have come up with in his wildest imagination. Now, with cash flow insufficient to meet current outflows, they are proving my point that we have met Mr. Ponzi and he is us – all of us: auto companies that siphoned sales dollars to make labor peace instead of research and design expenditures; hedge funds that preposterously billed investors for 2% and 20% of nothing; a President and politicians who thought they could fight a phony war for free and distract the nation’s attention from $40 trillion of future social security and health care liabilities. Ponzi, Ponzi, Ponzi.

    Still, future policymakers must confront the reality that is, not the one that should have been. And investors must do likewise, casting aside personal philosophies for a clear-headed view of the future horizon. PIMCO’s view is simple: shake hands with the government; make them your partner by acknowledging that their checkbook represents the largest and most potent source of buying power in 2009 and beyond. Anticipate, then buy what they buy, only do it first: agency-backed mortgages, bank preferred stocks, and senior bank debt; Aaa asset-backed securities such as credit card, student loan, and auto receivables. These have been well-advertised PIMCO strategies over the past 6 months but there are others in clear sight. An Obama administration will quickly be confronted by the need to provide those hundreds of billions of dollars to states and large municipalities. Their requests total nearly a trillion dollars and to think California or NYC would be allowed to fail is, well – unthinkable. Municipal bonds then, selling at historically high ratios relative to U.S. Treasuries, offer attractive price appreciation potential, or at the very least a defensiveness with high carry that a 2½% 10-year Treasury cannot.

    ...

    http://www.pimco.com/LeftNav/Feature...out+Nation.htm

    I guess Pimco is already shaking hands with them
    Now isn't that just hilarious. On the one hand Pimco says:
    ...PIMCO’s view is simple: shake hands with the government; make them your partner by acknowledging that their checkbook represents the largest and most potent source of buying power in 2009 and beyond. Anticipate, then buy what they buy, only do it first...
    and then we have the government deciding "...aw hell, it's too difficult to figure out what to buy with the taxpayers money; why don't we hire PIMCO and let them decide..."

    Not to hard to "buy what they buy" in that situation, is it?

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    • #3
      Re: Bill Gross: Shake hands with the government... Anticipate, then buy what they buy, only do it f

      Originally posted by GRG55 View Post
      Now isn't that just hilarious. On the one hand Pimco says:
      ...PIMCO’s view is simple: shake hands with the government; make them your partner by acknowledging that their checkbook represents the largest and most potent source of buying power in 2009 and beyond. Anticipate, then buy what they buy, only do it first...
      and then we have the government deciding "...aw hell, it's too difficult to figure out what to buy with the taxpayers money; why don't we hire PIMCO and let them decide..."

      Not to hard to "buy what they buy" in that situation, is it?
      We are all Ponzis now, he would probably say


      they are proving my point that we have met Mr. Ponzi and he is us – all of us:

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      • #4
        Re: Bill Gross: Shake hands with the government... Anticipate, then buy what they buy, only do it f

        Originally posted by GRG55 View Post
        Now isn't that just hilarious. On the one hand Pimco says:
        ...PIMCO’s view is simple: shake hands with the government; make them your partner by acknowledging that their checkbook represents the largest and most potent source of buying power in 2009 and beyond. Anticipate, then buy what they buy, only do it first...
        and then we have the government deciding "...aw hell, it's too difficult to figure out what to buy with the taxpayers money; why don't we hire PIMCO and let them decide..."

        Not to hard to "buy what they buy" in that situation, is it?
        Is that not called front-running your client?

        When I was a little nipper I was taught that was illegal.
        It's Economics vs Thermodynamics. Thermodynamics wins.

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        • #5
          Re: Bill Gross: Shake hands with the government... Anticipate, then buy what they buy, only do it f

          Originally posted by *T* View Post
          Is that not called front-running your client?

          When I was a little nipper I was taught that was illegal.
          Yep. That's what it's called.

          Now I am not suggesting that PIMCO is doing this, or anything illegal.

          However, the way the regulations have been gutted over the past 15 years it would appear to be not that difficult in the FIRE economy to benefit handsomely from being an "insider" in "partnership" with the government, without technically breaking any laws.

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          • #6
            Re: Bill Gross: Shake hands with the government... Anticipate, then buy what they buy, only do it f

            Originally posted by D-Mack View Post
            Investment Outlook
            Bill Gross | January 2009

            Andrew Mellon vs. Bailout Nation

            ........ Municipal bonds then, selling at historically high ratios relative to U.S. Treasuries, offer attractive price appreciation potential, or at the very least a defensiveness with high carry that a 2½% 10-year Treasury cannot......

            Lovely.

            The US Treasury will find itself subsidizing munis which are sheltered from its tax predations.

            I like it.

            Yet, another nail in the coffin for the Treasury's own debt.....while the corner they are backed into develops walls that are closing in.
            Last edited by Many Arrows; January 10, 2009, 02:19 PM. Reason: add to comment

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