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    My fellow Americans, we can’t continue in this mode of “Dumb as we wanna be.” We’ve indulged ourselves for too long with tax cuts that we can’t afford, bailouts of auto companies that have become giant wealth-destruction machines, energy prices that do not encourage investment in 21st-century renewable power systems or efficient cars, public schools with no national standards to prevent illiterates from graduating and immigration policies that have our colleges educating the world’s best scientists and engineers and then, when these foreigners graduate, instead of stapling green cards to their diplomas, we order them to go home and start companies to compete against ours.

    To top it off, we’ve fallen into a trend of diverting and rewarding the best of our collective I.Q. to people doing financial engineering rather than real engineering. These rocket scientists and engineers were designing complex financial instruments to make money out of money — rather than designing cars, phones, computers, teaching tools, Internet programs and medical equipment that could improve the lives and productivity of millions.

    For all these reasons, our present crisis is not just a financial meltdown crying out for a cash injection. We are in much deeper trouble. In fact, we as a country have become General Motors — as a result of our national drift. Look in the mirror: G.M. is us.

    That’s why we don’t just need a bailout. We need a reboot. We need a build out. We need a buildup. We need a national makeover. That is why the next few months are among the most important in U.S. history. Because of the financial crisis, Barack Obama has the bipartisan support to spend $1 trillion in stimulus. But we must make certain that every bailout dollar, which we’re borrowing from our kids’ future, is spent wisely.

    It has to go into training teachers, educating scientists and engineers, paying for research and building the most productivity-enhancing infrastructure — without building white elephants. Generally, I’d like to see fewer government dollars shoveled out and more creative tax incentives to stimulate the private sector to catalyze new industries and new markets. If we allow this money to be spent on pork, it will be the end of us.
    http://www.nytimes.com/2008/12/24/op...n.html?_r=1&em

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    Re: Reboot America

    What is a "stimulus" package, really? In the end, it is nothing more than stealing from the productive for the sake of the unproductive, through inflation. Which means that it's impossible for the effects to be anything more than short-lived at best, no matter what the money is spent on. The economy is much to complex to be centrally managed -- attempts to do so are doomed to fail.

    I agree that America needs a reboot, but not like that. Government needs to be downsized dramatically, regulations and taxes need to be repealed. The influence of corporatism over government needs to be broken. People need to be free to act in their own best interests, without the threat of government interference. Innovation will peak only when there is not even a remote possibility of being bailed-out if you make a mistake.

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    • #3
      Re: Reboot America

      I dislike friedman with a passion, but good read none the less. The machine's cog is right on queue. As EJ once said, look for main stream media to start prepping the masses for the coming deluge of bubbles

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      • #4
        Re: Reboot America

        Originally posted by CharlesTMungerFan View Post
        We'll look for his new book, "The World is Flattened, and How I can Make Money Writing About It."
        Ed.

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        • #5
          Re: Reboot America

          Originally posted by Sharky View Post
          What is a "stimulus" package, really? In the end, it is nothing more than stealing from the productive for the sake of the unproductive, through inflation. ...
          Actually it's probably simpler than that. If zero interest rates aren't enough to force savings out of cash and into the economy, then taxation is the government's alternative. Whether that be current taxation, or borrowing with the promise of future taxation, the effect is the same. Money comes out of safe havens and, to use that overworked Bubblevision phrase, "gets put to work".

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          • #6
            Re: Reboot America

            Originally posted by GRG55 View Post
            Actually it's probably simpler than that. If zero interest rates aren't enough to force savings out of cash and into the economy, then taxation is the government's alternative. Whether that be current taxation, or borrowing with the promise of future taxation, the effect is the same. Money comes out of safe havens and, to use that overworked Bubblevision phrase, "gets put to work".
            wonder how they plan to put my gold 'to work'. bad enough gold is a 'collectible' but it could be worse... how about gold as property subject to an annual 'property' tax.

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            • #7
              Re: Reboot America

              Originally posted by Sharky View Post
              What is a "stimulus" package, really? In the end, it is nothing more than stealing from the productive for the sake of the unproductive, through inflation. Which means that it's impossible for the effects to be anything more than short-lived at best, no matter what the money is spent on. The economy is much to complex to be centrally managed -- attempts to do so are doomed to fail.

              I agree that America needs a reboot, but not like that. Government needs to be downsized dramatically, regulations and taxes need to be repealed. The influence of corporatism over government needs to be broken. People need to be free to act in their own best interests, without the threat of government interference. Innovation will peak only when there is not even a remote possibility of being bailed-out if you make a mistake.
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              Bad anti-stimulus arguments

              A number of conservative economists have been arguing against a stimulus plan centered on government spending. Fair enough. But one argument I keep reading bugs me: it’s the claim that spending-based stimulus is bad because economic theory tells us that a marginal dollar of private spending is better than a marginal dollar of government spending.

              That’s just wrong; it’s a misreading of basic, Econ 101 level, economics.

              Yes, the standard theory of consumer choice says that a consumer gains more utility if he or she gets to freely allocate a dollar of spending than if someone else makes the choices: I’d rather buy myself a $10 meal than have you feed me $10 worth of food that you select.

              But that’s not what we’re talking about when we talk about stimulus spending: we’re not talking about the government buying consumption goods for the public at large. Instead, we’re talking about spending more on public goods: goods that the private market won’t supply, or at any rate won’t supply in sufficient quantities. things like roads, communication networks, sewage systems, and so on. And every Econ 101 textbook explains that the provision of public goods is a necessary function of government.

              When we’re asking whether it’s better to have the government stimulate the economy or to try to stimulate private spending, we’re asking among other things whether a marginal dollar spent on public goods is worth more or less than a marginal dollar spent on private consumption. And there’s nothing, even in Econ 101, that clearly favors private spending on private goods over public spending on public goods.

              In other words, the attempt to claim the authority of economics for the idea that stimulus in the form of tax cuts is better, at a microeconomic level, than stimulus in the form of infrastructure spending is a case of bait and switch. Don’t fall for it.

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                Re: Reboot America

                Originally posted by CharlesTMungerFan View Post
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                I agree that's what Econ 101 tells you. However, Econ 101 is missing the point: wealth does not come from spending, even if the spending is on infrastructure or other things that are a "necessary function of government." Wealth comes from production -- from making things: manufacturing, mining, farming, etc. Wealth is also driven by innovation; by the creation of solutions to problems.

                The money for public infrastructure projects (or any form of "stimulus" funded through inflation) comes as a result of the government stealing purchasing power from all holders of dollars. That, in turn, reduces the ability of entrepreneurs and producers that hold dollars to grow their businesses, because it reduces the value of their capital. The net result is less growth by producers on the one hand, and more growth of government-subsidized entities on the other. Total wealth declines.

                The argument that personal choice is not important is also fallacious. If I would rather spend $10 on a burger than on building a bridge somewhere, that's my right. To suggest otherwise is to argue for a form of slavery, where people are working not for their own benefit, but for the benefit of others.

                The economy is way too complex to be centrally-planned. Just because bridges and highways were useful at some point to some people doesn't mean that they will be the best use of capital in the future. The role of government shouldn't be to decide how my money is spent; it should be to ensure that I'm free to make those decisions myself. The path to salvation is individual rights and responsibility. Abrogation of those rights to government is what got us into this mess in the first place.

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                • #9
                  Re: Reboot America

                  Originally posted by GRG55 View Post
                  Actually it's probably simpler than that. If zero interest rates aren't enough to force savings out of cash and into the economy, then taxation is the government's alternative. Whether that be current taxation, or borrowing with the promise of future taxation, the effect is the same. Money comes out of safe havens and, to use that overworked Bubblevision phrase, "gets put to work".
                  What savings? That's the core of the problem.

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                  • #10
                    Re: Reboot America

                    Originally posted by metalman View Post
                    wonder how they plan to put my gold 'to work'. bad enough gold is a 'collectible' but it could be worse... how about gold as property subject to an annual 'property' tax.
                    Metal, please delete the very thought!

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                    • #11
                      Re: Reboot America

                      I'm not a big fan of Friedman, ever since his support for going into Iraq. He seems to be a nice guy, but as FRED implies, he seems to be a better writer than a promoter of reasonable policy. We seem to think we can continue to make dumb decisions and the next generation can fix it. I do agree with Friedman in that this might be our last chance. If we blow trillions on highways, airports, and bullet trains, we'll have gambled and lost.

                      Spending money on these at this time would be a waste. If America and the developed world want any chance for a future, with a reasonable standard of living, they have to get the fossil fuel needle out of their arm.

                      Obama needs to do 2 things:

                      1) Alt-E energy development. It looks like he's doing very well here.

                      2) Public financing of campaigns. Without politicians who are more interested in serving their country rather than their campaign contributors, we will get bogged down in trivia and delay, and resources will be misdirected to serve the rich special interests. Obama seems to be failing here.

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                      • #12
                        Re: Reboot America

                        Originally posted by CharlesTMungerFan View Post
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                        "...Instead, we’re talking about spending more on public goods: goods that the private market won’t supply, or at any rate won’t supply in sufficient quantities. things like roads, communication networks, sewage systems, and so on..."
                        If this statement were true then how do we explain all the salivating over PPPs and "infrastructure" investment funds [Google "Macquarie Group"].

                        The private market will supply damn near anything if the price is right and there's a reasonable expectation of a profit. What we will get in the PPPs instead is the assurance of a profit [by the government "partner"]. The reason the market "won't supply, or at any rate won't supply in sufficient quantities" is because the idiot politicians and their expensive management consultants have now created an expectation of [entitlement to?] virtually risk-free windfall profits for capital through the "privatization" of public assets. Why would private capital now support anything less?

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                        • #13
                          Re: Reboot America

                          Originally posted by Sharky View Post
                          I agree that's what Econ 101 tells you. However, Econ 101 is missing the point: wealth does not come from spending, even if the spending is on infrastructure or other things that are a "necessary function of government." Wealth comes from production -- from making things: manufacturing, mining, farming, etc. Wealth is also driven by innovation; by the creation of solutions to problems.

                          The money for public infrastructure projects (or any form of "stimulus" funded through inflation) comes as a result of the government stealing purchasing power from all holders of dollars. That, in turn, reduces the ability of entrepreneurs and producers that hold dollars to grow their businesses, because it reduces the value of their capital. The net result is less growth by producers on the one hand, and more growth of government-subsidized entities on the other. Total wealth declines.

                          The argument that personal choice is not important is also fallacious. If I would rather spend $10 on a burger than on building a bridge somewhere, that's my right. To suggest otherwise is to argue for a form of slavery, where people are working not for their own benefit, but for the benefit of others.

                          The economy is way too complex to be centrally-planned. Just because bridges and highways were useful at some point to some people doesn't mean that they will be the best use of capital in the future. The role of government shouldn't be to decide how my money is spent; it should be to ensure that I'm free to make those decisions myself. The path to salvation is individual rights and responsibility. Abrogation of those rights to government is what got us into this mess in the first place.
                          Yes. And I curse "damn the government!" every time I drive on a road, flush my toilet, and eat at a restaurant that has passed code.

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                          • #14
                            Re: Reboot America

                            Originally posted by CharlesTMungerFan View Post
                            Yes. And I curse "damn the government!" every time I drive on a road, flush my toilet, and eat at a restaurant that has passed code.
                            Me too! Private industry provide all of that infrastructure so much better than government, if only it was allowed to ("government efficiency" is, after all, an oxymoron). Besides, theft is immoral, no matter how the proceeds are used.

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                            • #15
                              Re: Reboot America

                              Originally posted by Sharky View Post
                              Me too! Private industry provide all of that infrastructure so much better than government, if only it was allowed to ("government efficiency" is, after all, an oxymoron). Besides, theft is immoral, no matter how the proceeds are used.
                              Claiming ownership is immoral.

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