Auto Sector: Saved for Now, what's next?

[Judas]

Re: Auto Sector: Saved for Now, what's next?

Giving Ford credit here is like saying your neighbor who took out a 150% LTV equity loan on his house then lost his job was a genius.

But give Mulaly credit he hocked everything for cash while there was a market.

Well, I was speaking in the context of winning the Least Horrifically Ugly contest.

[Judas]

Re: Auto Sector: Saved for Now, what's next?

Isn't that one of their problems? Decades ago used to be one could start out in life and buy a decent value-for-money proposition with Chevrolet, and aspire, as one went through life, to step up to be an Oldsmobile or Buick owner, or even a Cadillac, if one were successful.

I think in recent years that faded away as the dream became a bigger and bigger SUV or truck. It wasn't the brand as much as the sheer size of the thing that mattered.

[GRG55]

Re: Auto Sector: Saved for Now, what's next?

Well, I was speaking in the context of winning the Least Horrifically Ugly contest.

Least Horrifically Ugly? Ford? You mean like this?

[Judas]

Re: Auto Sector: Saved for Now, what's next?

Least Horrifically Ugly? Ford? You mean like this?

Hey, at least it's not an AMC Pacer!


Anyway, what happened to the American designers who designed this work of art...



The 1970 Plymouth Barracuda was the pinnacle.

[GRG55]

Re: Auto Sector: Saved for Now, what's next?

Hey, at least it's not an AMC Pacer!


Anyway, what happened to the American designers who designed this work of art...



The 1970 Plymouth Barracuda was the pinnacle.

I see in a last ditch effort to re-live its glory years Chrysler brought back the 'Cuda's cousin, the Dodge Challenger [quite a good resemblance on the 'C' pillar and rear quarter panels, non?]


...but as an old 'rodder my favourite remains the round tail-light 1968, 383-Charger.

[Glenn Black]

Re: Watching your Baby Die

I drove the EV1 out at DPG several years ago. Interesting ride to say the least!

This was a science project only.

When you say "science project" do you mean it was merely a "concept car"? The people I've talked with felt it was a go for production until it was killed, similar to the Avro Arrow plane that was a #1 best plane flying design, until it got killed for political reasons. Please explain further.

[Glenn Black]

Re: Auto Sector: Saved for Now, what's next?

http://www.halfbakery.com/idea/World...ansit_20System

When you say "pod" system, is this what you had in mind?

[Glenn Black]

Re: Auto Sector: Saved for Now, what's next?

I understand that, after talking about it for more than 20 years, GM finally got one platform for all their cars rather that many similar but significantly different. Of course, there had to be compromise among the divisions, and the design teams within divisions, but it makes sense to standardize where ever possible.

This maximizes the mass production benefits. Of course, with an automated hydro-forming frame manufacturing system, each frame can be customized for the addition of this hole and that extra bend or different angle that is required by a certain option package or body.

Can this be one of GM's greatest strengths they can parlay into a winner?

What do you think about this concept.

[Glenn Black]

Re: Just give me one more hit of that cheap gas...

Toyota had traditionally been known for the small, no flash, plain jane vehicles, then ventured into the high risk, high margin vehicles after watching Detroit 3 get away with it for so many years, seduced eventually and delivered production capacity just before truck/SUV/Xover market fell apart. Now, that Texas plant is in the soup as bad as Detroit 3's plants.

[Glenn Black]

Re: Auto Sector: Saved for Now, what's next?

I agree that when they finally get to the finish line, the cars and the technologies aren't half bad. It's how long and at what cost it takes to get them there.

In addition, they still have some catastrophic design failures (eg. Montana engine heat gasket failures for localized overheating) that really hurt their reputation.

[Glenn Black]

Re: Suppliers or OEM's

The defining question for all the global marbles is whether the GM global model wins or the Toyota global model wins. Nobody knows yet, it's too early to say. Maybe they both win and all others line up with one or the other.

Can you expand on your understanding of ROW, Toyota model, and GM business model for all of us.

Where do you see the competitive differences, strengths for going forward from here?

[c1ue]

Re: Auto Sector: Saved for Now, what's next?

Glenn,

Yes, but not the replacement of air travel or high speed rail part.

Vacuum tunnels - ridiculously expensive to build and maintain.

But local pods - that is eminently feasible given low or zero expectations of return on initial investment.

[BiscayneSunrise]

Re: Auto Sector: Saved for Now, what's next?

Scott,

Just kinda curious. You mentioned you were a GMI guy, but I see from your avatar, you're more of a German car kind of guy. A mid 1980's Carrera?

[Glenn Black]

Re: Auto Sector: Saved for Now, what's next?

The middle is very crowded. GM, as well as others would be better to identify their own offerings and those of their competitors as to the key characteristics, and who has no adequate car defined for them. Lose the "me too" and focus on the ones that are significantly different and have little competition.

[Glenn Black]

Re: Auto Sector: Saved for Now, what's next?

From President to shop floor, the leanest Japanese organizations tend to have 4 levels. Everybody else are "helpers", but have no direct line responsibility. If each level had a 15% wage differential, that is a total of 75% wage increase. CEO's no longer earn $20 million per year. Very egalitarian.