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    Money and the Crisis of Civilization


    Suppose you give me a million dollars with the instructions, "Invest this profitably, and I'll pay you well." I'm a sharp dresser -- why not? So I go out onto the street and hand out stacks of bills to random passers-by. Ten thousand dollars each. In return, each scribbles out an IOU for $20,000, payable in five years. I come back to you and say, "Look at these IOUs! I have generated a 20% annual return on your investment." You are very pleased, and pay me an enormous commission.

    Now I've got a big stack of IOUs, so I use these "assets" as collateral to borrow even more money, which I lend out to even more people, or sell them to others like myself who do the same. I also buy insurance to cover me in case the borrowers default -- and I pay for it with those self-same IOUs! Round and round it goes, each new loan becoming somebody's asset on which to borrow yet more money. We all rake in huge commissions and bonuses, as the total face value of all the assets we've created from that initial million dollars is now fifty times that.

    Then one day, the first batch of IOUs comes due. But guess what? The person who scribbled his name on the IOU can't pay me back right now. In fact, lots of the borrowers can't. I try to hush this embarrassing fact up as long as possible, but pretty soon you get suspicious. You want your million dollars back -- in cash. I try to sell the IOUs and their derivatives that I hold, but everyone else is suspicious too, and no one buys them. The insurance company tries to cover my losses, but it can only do so by selling the IOUs I gave it!

    So finally, the government steps in and buys the IOUs, bails out the insurance company and everyone else holding the IOUs and the derivatives stacked on them. Their total value is way more than a million dollars now. I and my fellow entrepreneurs retire with our lucre. Everyone else pays for it.

    This is the first level of what has happened in the financial industry over the past decade. It is a huge transfer of wealth to the financial elite, to be funded by US taxpayers, foreign corporations and governments, and ultimately the foreign workers who subsidize US debt indirectly via the lower purchasing power of their wages. However, to see the current crisis as merely the result of a big con is to miss its true significance.

    I think we all sense that we are nearing the end of an era. On the most superficial level, it is the era of unregulated casino-style financial manipulation that is ending. But the current efforts of the political elites to fix the crisis at this level will only reveal its deeper dimensions. In fact, the crisis goes "all the way to the bottom." It arises from the very nature of money and property in the world today, and it will persist and continue to intensify until money itself is transformed. A process centuries in the making is in its final stages of unfoldment.

    Money as we know it today has crisis and collapse built into its basic design.
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  • #2
    Re: Money and the Crisis of Civilization

    Originally posted by Rajiv View Post
    Could somebody please explain the following statement to those of us that are rather simple minded in these matters?....

    "Money is created when somebody takes out a loan from a bank"

    How can money be 'created' by a bank?
    How can a bank lend out something it doesn't have in the first place?

    I think I've gotten my head around the fractional reserve banking thing, but my interpretation of it is that a bank gets money from the govt and then lends it out (putting 10% or whatever with the reserve). This money eventually finds it's way back into a bank as a deposit and it is again lent out, and so on.
    My understanding is that the same money can be lent out again and again, but not that new money is being created each time it is lent out. Each time a loan is made, an asset is created for somebody (the bank) and an equal liability is created for somebody else (the borrower).
    Assets and liabilities in total increase, but the money itself doesn't - it just goes round and round.

    What am I missing ?

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    • #3
      Re: Money and the Crisis of Civilization

      See this Paul Grignon's video - Money as Debt and read the comments including the one's by Paul.

      Also Chris Martenson's The Crash Course

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      • #4
        Re: Money and the Crisis of Civilization

        Originally posted by aa View Post
        How can money be 'created' by a bank?
        How can a bank lend out something it doesn't have in the first place?
        At a 10% fractional reserve, the bank gets $100 in deposits, and can make a $90 loan. The loan made is treated as a new asset, so out of that $90, the bank can loan $81 of that. Rinse, wash, repeat.

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        • #5
          Re: Money and the Crisis of Civilization

          Wikipedia could be your first port of call.
          It's Economics vs Thermodynamics. Thermodynamics wins.

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          • #6
            Re: Money and the Crisis of Civilization

            My recent pre-occupation has been the sense that an existential crisis in value is manifesting as a crisis in asset values. As with so many tectonic shifts, most people are debating the symptoms and have barely pondered the underlying disease. Thus the greatest flaw of the current debate is that it lacks for imaginative ambition. There is a denial impulse at work here too as the implications are frankly too far-reaching and dire to consider i.e the disease may be terminal to civilization as we've known it. Who wants to kick that around the company water cooler? If we are indeed reaching the end of a 300-year-old money regime (dating back to 1694), then 'mere' talk of Great Depressions is overly chaste and still alas very much 'inside-the-shop'. The end of debt is the end of growth is the end of the modern economy is the end of...society itself? Gold? Nah, you can't eat it. I'm back to cigarettes. Own a warehouse of them and you may one day govern the labor of an entire small town. Nicotine is the currency of the realm for many tradesmen. Many folks would forgo a sandwich for a smoke. Think utilitarian. I am haunted by the Hunter S. Thompson quote: "when the going gets weird, the weird turn pro". Suddenly all those nutty survivalists are sounding...eminently reasonable.

            Forget deflation, inflation and hyper-inflation. These are like taking the temperatures of a quite possibly dead patient. Money doesn't exist. Every day, the curtain gets pulled back a little further. The 'magic spell of money' is sustained only by trust and naivete.

            Now that's what I call an existential crisis!
            Last edited by due_indigence; December 11, 2008, 11:36 AM.

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            • #7
              Re: Money and the Crisis of Civilization

              My solution on how to handle the future problems is to sell everything, give up the land based lifestyle and move onto an aluminum sailboat.

              5086 marine grade aluminum doesn’t need to be painted above the waterline = minimal maintenance.

              A design with a centerboard allows you to access shallow water which is important in various remote Pacific atolls.

              A fresh fish meal is always at hand.

              Bicycles fit easily in spare bearths.

              Sailing / rowing dinghys don't need motors.

              Canvas cover doubles as a sun shade and a water catcher.

              Wind generators and solar panels keep the batteries happy.

              Don’t like the location or your noisy neighbor..???... move.

              Don’t like the country you are in…???... move.

              Say goodbye to property tax.

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              • #8
                Re: Money and the Crisis of Civilization

                Originally posted by due_indigence View Post
                My recent pre-occupation has been the sense that an existential crisis in value is manifesting as a crisis in asset values. As with so many tectonic shifts, most people are debating the symptoms and have barely pondered the underlying disease. Thus the greatest flaw of the current debate is that it lacks for imaginative ambition. There is a denial impulse at work here too as the implications are frankly too far-reaching and dire to consider i.e the disease may be terminal to civilization as we've known it. Who wants to kick that around the company water cooler? If we are indeed reaching the end of a 300-year-old money regime (dating back to 1694), then 'mere' talk of Great Depressions is overly chaste and still alas very much 'inside-the-shop'. The end of debt is the end of growth is the end of the modern economy is the end of...society itself? Gold? Nah, you can't eat it. I'm back to cigarettes. Own a warehouse of them and you may one day govern the labor of an entire small town. Nicotine is the currency of the realm for many tradesmen. Many folks would forgo a sandwich for a smoke. Think utilitarian. I am haunted by the Hunter S. Thompson quote: "when the going gets weird, the weird turn pro". Suddenly all those nutty survivalists are sounding...eminently reasonable.

                Forget deflation, inflation and hyper-inflation. These are like taking the temperatures of a quite possibly dead patient. Money doesn't exist. Every day, the curtain gets pulled back a little further. The 'magic spell of money' is sustained only by trust and naivete.

                Now that's what I call an existential crisis!
                Originally posted by bobola View Post
                My solution on how to handle the future problems is to sell everything, give up the land based lifestyle and move onto an aluminum sailboat.

                5086 marine grade aluminum doesn’t need to be painted above the waterline = minimal maintenance.

                A design with a centerboard allows you to access shallow water which is important in various remote Pacific atolls.

                A fresh fish meal is always at hand.

                Bicycles fit easily in spare bearths.

                Sailing / rowing dinghys don't need motors.

                Canvas cover doubles as a sun shade and a water catcher.

                Wind generators and solar panels keep the batteries happy.

                Don’t like the location or your noisy neighbor..???... move.

                Don’t like the country you are in…???... move.

                Say goodbye to property tax.
                Sounds both like waterworld

                http://www.post-apocalypse.co.uk/waterworld.html

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                • #9
                  Re: Money and the Crisis of Civilization

                  Originally posted by due_indigence View Post
                  My recent pre-occupation has been the sense that an existential crisis in value is manifesting as a crisis in asset values. As with so many tectonic shifts, most people are debating the symptoms and have barely pondered the underlying disease. Thus the greatest flaw of the current debate is that it lacks for imaginative ambition. There is a denial impulse at work here too as the implications are frankly too far-reaching and dire to consider i.e the disease may be terminal to civilization as we've known it. Who wants to kick that around the company water cooler? If we are indeed reaching the end of a 300-year-old money regime (dating back to 1694), then 'mere' talk of Great Depressions is overly chaste and still alas very much 'inside-the-shop'. The end of debt is the end of growth is the end of the modern economy is the end of...society itself? Gold? Nah, you can't eat it. I'm back to cigarettes. Own a warehouse of them and you may one day govern the labor of an entire small town. Nicotine is the currency of the realm for many tradesmen. Many folks would forgo a sandwich for a smoke. Think utilitarian. I am haunted by the Hunter S. Thompson quote: "when the going gets weird, the weird turn pro". Suddenly all those nutty survivalists are sounding...eminently reasonable.

                  Forget deflation, inflation and hyper-inflation. These are like taking the temperatures of a quite possibly dead patient. Money doesn't exist. Every day, the curtain gets pulled back a little further. The 'magic spell of money' is sustained only by trust and naivete.

                  Now that's what I call an existential crisis!
                  The link in the original post has an ad promoting a book about Albert Hoffman and his discovery of LSD. Your post reminds me of some conversations I had way back in college with people who had taken hallucinogenics. OK, I may have taken some, too. They were convinced they had seen through the Potemkin front of reality to the "true" reality inside. Perhaps, on a meta-level they had; I mean particle physics and string theory is pretty mind-blowing stuff. But, I don't think we're looking at the end of the "money regime" as we know it. This sound like typical Millennialist/Nostradamos/2112 end of world nonsense.
                  Outside of a dog, a book is man's best friend. Inside of a dog, it's too dark to read. -Groucho

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                  • #10
                    Re: Money and the Crisis of Civilization

                    Originally posted by Rajiv View Post
                    Individually and collectively, anything we do to resist or postpone the collapse will only make it worse. So stop resisting the revolution in human beingness. If you want to survive the multiple crises unfolding today, do not seek to survive them.
                    Talk about upping the doomer ante. What a bunch of crap.

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                    • #11
                      Re: Money and the Crisis of Civilization

                      If the modern system of money creation began 1694, why can't it end in 2009? Yes, such an event will feed the End-Timers fires. But civilizations and worldviews have ended before.

                      Capitalism's current quandary seems to be, "If you can't lend the game's over. Should you manage to resume lending, the game's over later." Even if it echoes millenialism, I have to say that this dilemma has the potential to be game-ending. As to whether the Messiah is a momentum player and decides to piggy-back, that's sort of a theological debate. I'm not wired into that timeline.

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                      • #12
                        Re: Money and the Crisis of Civilization

                        it is very clear from reading history that NO civilization ever survived for very long without commodity money.

                        Today's experiment in fiat is going to go down in flames.

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