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    I'm not a tin-foil hat guy, but I found this an interesting article.

    There is no other leveraged commodity market where short sellers increase their positions, materially, as the price rises, and increase them even more when prices are exploding, except gold and silver. The reason traders don’t normally do that is that it exposes short sellers to unlimited liability and risk. Yet, in both March and July 2008, and on countless occasions over the past 21 years, vast numbers of new gold and silver short positions were temporarily opened up, with the position holders seemingly unconcerned about the fact that precious metals had just risen exponentially, and that there was a very real potential they would bankrupt themselves with unlimited upside potential. Normal traders would not expose themselves to such unlimited risks.

    I conclude, therefore, that over the last 21 years or so, “fake” precious metals supply in the form of promises of future delivery have habitually been increased when prices increase until increased “supply” managed to overwhelm increased demand, leading to a temporary price collapse. This is compounded by the fact that the futures prices on COMEX tend to dictate the “officially” report price for the precious metals elsewhere.

    After the market is broken, shell-shocked leveraged long market participants have always been thrown out of their positions by margin calls, and/or have been happy to sell contracts back to the short sellers at much lower prices. This process has always allowed short sellers to cover short positions at a profit. If for some reason naked shorts needed to deliver, they could always count on various European central banks (and some say the Fed basement repository) to backstop them, releasing tons of physical gold into the market. It seemed that there were always another 34 tons or so of gold dumped at strategic times to bring down fast rising prices. Meanwhile, huge physical market demand in Asia and severe shortages buffered the downside. Because of the physical demand, prices steadily increased but, perhaps, at a much slower pace than would have been the case in the absence of market manipulation.

    Rarely was there ever a serious short-squeeze. Rarely, that is, until Friday of last week when the deliveries demanded by non-leveraged long buyers reached record levels. In spite of an avalanche of complaints from gold and silver investors, the CFTC (Commodity Futures Trading Commission) has never bothered to audit even one vault to see if the short sellers really have the alleged gold and silver they claim to have. There is a legal requirement that, in every futures contract that promises to deliver a physical commodity, the short seller must be 90% covered by either a stockpile of the commodity or appropriate forward contracts with primary producers (such as miners). Inaction by CFTC, in the face of obvious market manipulation, implies a historical government endorsed price management.

    Things, however, are changing fast. As previously stated, the first major mini-panic among COMEX gold short sellers happened last Friday. As of Wednesday morning, about 11,500 delivery demands for 100 ounce ingots were made at COMEX, which represents about 5% of the previous open interest. Another 2,000 contracts are still open, and a large percentage of those will probably demand delivery. These demands compare to the usual ½ to 1% of all contracts.

    Rest here.

    http://seekingalpha.com/article/1092...s?source=yahoo
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    Nice find. Still drip feeding it into my head. Well worth a careful read.

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    • #3
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      Holey Tomoley!

      Yes - nice find and well worth a careful read.

      The twists and turns with what they (the Fed and Treasury and Big Banks) are doing with "our" money are stunning and accelerating.

      The year 2009 could be incredible. This is looking to be a serious Train Wreck.
      Most folks are good; a few aren't.

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        Another "special moment"... silver is the only futures market to my knowledge where the commercials (generally, producers and banks) have never been anything but short. Data directly from the CFTC.


        http://www.NowAndTheFuture.com

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        • #5
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          Looking?

          Combine this with failure-to-deliver in treasuries, and you've got a really sport '09 ahead!

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            I know Fred's recently commented that itulip does not have enough information regarding the COMEX gold default potential to offer a comment, but I was wondering if perhaps some of the senior itulip members could comment on the rest of this article regarding the various Fed maneuvers.

            In short, I'm wondering that if a few people here who understand the fed better than most can acknowledge that, those parts of the article are valid/accurate, then I think this may go a significant way toward suggesting that the rest of the article on COMEX be more believable.

            If the COMEX bust potential is for real, then keep a close eye on the daily charts of this (somewhat tin-foil hat) site ...(but still the only COMEX charts I can find):

            http://meltdown2011.wordpress.com/20...mex-countdown/

            Given that my understanding of the "POOM" aspect of the itulip kapoom theory will be evident with a significant rise in gold prices, then it would make sense to try to understand if this COMEX bust event could somehow be inter-related to the start of the poom or if it is a completely seperate event that can also push gold prices higher. Lastly, I also wonder if the "inevitable return to gold based monetary system" may also see its beginnings from a COMEX gold delivery default.

            If my comments sound ignorant... it is because I'm trying to learn. Constructive criticism welcomed ;-)

            Cheers,
            Adeptus
            Warning: Network Engineer talking economics!

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              FWIW Aaron Krowne - of itulip / mortgage implode-o-meter / wall street examiner fame - had this up on his site which speaks volumes as to the quality of the analysis:

              "Don't let the title fool you (we added the parenthetical part)... this is not just a "goldbug" article, but is one of the most insightful explanations of what the Fed is doing that I've seen all year. Maybe the most"

              http://ml-implode.com/staticnews/200...hinations.html

              He was less interested in the COMEX squeeze angle than on the analysis of fed machinations. So what's significant about the story it tells at least to me?

              It's always bothered me that I keep falling back on the idiocy of what's happened in the past: principally central banks using the illusion of housing wealth to lure westerners into debt peonage in order to prop up a consumption based "economy". That may be true but it doesn't tell you anything useful going forward - as my investment returns attest - and so my dwelling on it has always left me uneasy (poorer.)

              This is one of the few analyses that actually gives the fed some credit. In this script the fed is managing (not controling, managing) an asset price decline. Its obviously dire - that was a given - but there are still relative advantages to be had, crucial trade offs to juggle in real time. High dollar coinciding with a peaking need to float bonds - check. But not too high or the concurrently crashing stock market imperils insurance and mutual funds solveny - TBD. High bond prices as money exits risky assets and equities and into bonds concurrent with an urgent need for bond issue, but not so high that low rates cause a run on Money Market funds - TBD.

              I don't understand repos well enough to judge whether the author's claim that the Fed now has effective control over the dollar level is plausible (Bart?), but it sounds convincing to me. This doesn't mean that they can stop its decline either, though it does suggest to me that they could manage that decline when its in the US interest to do so (I presume after all that US debt has been floated.)

              In short it struck me as a less strident version of some of the points that Phirang was making earlier in the dollar bull run and shares some of their appeal.

              I'd be very happy to be disabused of any of the above. Have at me.

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                Last edited by Nervous Drake; January 19, 2015, 12:19 PM.

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                  Originally posted by Nervous Drake View Post
                  Something interesting about that chart is the commercials kiss the 0 bound around the same time Warren Buffet put a huge order for silver in the mix (something like 30 million ounces of silver). Then subsequently, he just sold it all off before anything really happened with it.
                  Great observation and using your head for something besides a hat rack.

                  It tracks quite well with my opinions, and I'll even add in a little tidbit about Warren Buffet and when he sold that silver - it was very close to the time that SLV started, and the quantities match pretty well too.
                  Yes, its very much circumstantial... but its also more than a small possibility in my opinion.
                  http://www.NowAndTheFuture.com

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                    Originally posted by Adeptus View Post
                    I know Fred's recently commented that itulip does not have enough information regarding the COMEX gold default potential to offer a comment, but I was wondering if perhaps some of the senior itulip members could comment on the rest of this article regarding the various Fed maneuvers.

                    In short, I'm wondering that if a few people here who understand the fed better than most can acknowledge that, those parts of the article are valid/accurate, then I think this may go a significant way toward suggesting that the rest of the article on COMEX be more believable.

                    If the COMEX bust potential is for real, then keep a close eye on the daily charts of this (somewhat tin-foil hat) site ...(but still the only COMEX charts I can find):

                    http://meltdown2011.wordpress.com/20...mex-countdown/

                    Given that my understanding of the "POOM" aspect of the itulip kapoom theory will be evident with a significant rise in gold prices, then it would make sense to try to understand if this COMEX bust event could somehow be inter-related to the start of the poom or if it is a completely seperate event that can also push gold prices higher. Lastly, I also wonder if the "inevitable return to gold based monetary system" may also see its beginnings from a COMEX gold delivery default.

                    If my comments sound ignorant... it is because I'm trying to learn. Constructive criticism welcomed ;-)

                    Cheers,
                    Adeptus

                    I could quibble with a few of the points, especially the concentration on the Fed, but overall I believe its correct.

                    Although some iTulipers think the evidence is scanty and circumstantial, I don't. There are just plain too many "coincidences" for there not to be some price manipulation (or control if you prefer) going on.

                    In my section here, there's my article on European Central Bank control, the various quotes in my False Data thread, the TIO stock market manipulation/control evidence, lease rate correaltions, the evidence of dollar manipulation/control by the Exchange Stabilization Fund as well as the voluminous evidence available at GATA ( daily reports at http://www.gata.org/taxonomy/term/2 and at http://www.gata.org/ ) that all lend credence to manipulation or control actually existing. Ted Butler and many others have done quite a yeoman's job on exposing the various "coincidences" in my opinion too.

                    Basically, gold & silver prices going up send a message to the broad public about both inflation and confidence in fiat currencies in general. And that's exactly opposite to the vested interests of the various central banks and governments.

                    As far as the Fed itself, I know of no specific evidence of direct gold manipulation or control, but have wondered since the '70s why there hasn't been a full audit of their gold holdings since 1954 or so... and don't buy any of the excuses why they haven't allowed it. Changing the description to "deep storage" a few years ago is also of concern to me.



                    One minor point about a COMEX "bust" - I view it as more of an attempt to make it into a real market with real integrity, rather than busting them... although I understand the usage.

                    Keep in mind too that "bust" might imply a collusion or conspiracy to various government elements or officials who have so far refused to truly investigate the situation and allegations made by folk like Ted Butler over the years. All that people are doing is requesting delivery of the actual physical metal, per the terms of the contract and of the exchange itself. The price from the exchange is quite a good deal.
                    http://www.NowAndTheFuture.com

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                    • #11
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                      Originally posted by oddlots View Post
                      ...
                      It's always bothered me that I keep falling back on the idiocy of what's happened in the past: principally central banks using the illusion of housing wealth to lure westerners into debt peonage in order to prop up a consumption based "economy". That may be true but it doesn't tell you anything useful going forward - as my investment returns attest - and so my dwelling on it has always left me uneasy (poorer.)

                      This is one of the few analyses that actually gives the fed some credit. In this script the fed is managing (not controlling, managing) an asset price decline. Its obviously dire - that was a given - but there are still relative advantages to be had, crucial trade offs to juggle in real time. High dollar coinciding with a peaking need to float bonds - check. But not too high or the concurrently crashing stock market imperils insurance and mutual funds solvency - TBD. High bond prices as money exits risky assets and equities and into bonds concurrent with an urgent need for bond issue, but not so high that low rates cause a run on Money Market funds - TBD.

                      I don't understand repos well enough to judge whether the author's claim that the Fed now has effective control over the dollar level is plausible (Bart?), but it sounds convincing to me. This doesn't mean that they can stop its decline either, though it does suggest to me that they could manage that decline when its in the US interest to do so (I presume after all that US debt has been floated.)
                      ...
                      About the only thing I can comment on with some certainty is the general repo and dollar value control area, and it boils down to both yes and no, as you apparently think too. No currency or item can have its values be controlled, managed or manipulated forever - in other words, fundamentals will always triumph eventually.

                      But, the evidence of ESF dollar managing etc. in a thread is my section is pretty clear. And the $600+ billion peak in dollar swap lines that the Fed was and is doing sure doesn't hurt the dollar value either. There are other elements too.
                      Then there's the element of the "cooperating partnership" between central banks that has gotten a lot stronger since derivatives started blowing up in Feb 2007. Its very much not in anyone's vested or best interest to have the dollar crash either, although an agreed upon devaluation is certainly not a low probability item either.


                      The Fed is both not omnipotent and also a major force, but in my opinion is the major factor in the mess we're in right now due to both their actions *and* their lack of actions - only second to the general area of extremely poor ethics, education in the basics and corruption that has been more rampant than "normal" during the last decade or so.

                      I also honestly don't believe that the Fed and other CBs were "using the illusion of housing wealth to lure westerners into debt peonage in order to prop up a consumption based 'economy' ". That's not only not the way that most bankers think, (at least knowingly and consciously for the very small 'bankster' element), but also ignores the very poor state of broad and real economic education... and of course the whole issue of human fallibility too.

                      I agree that the Fed and other CBs are truly trying to fix the problems too, but the corruption (vested interests) and poor ethics and poor education areas are also making a mess of their efforts.

                      I'm quite tired - its been a long day - so I hope that this has come across as something more than a rambling commentary.
                      http://www.NowAndTheFuture.com

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                        But, the evidence of ESF dollar managing etc. in a thread is my section is pretty clear.
                        Your post read ok to me, Bart, except for the above sentence.
                        1. What's "ESF" stand for?
                        2. I couldn't parse the sentence - could you restate it?
                        Most folks are good; a few aren't.

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                        • #13
                          Re: The Manipulation of Gold Prices

                          Originally posted by ThePythonicCow View Post
                          Your post read ok to me, Bart, except for the above sentence.
                          1. What's "ESF" stand for?
                          2. I couldn't parse the sentence - could you restate it?
                          Aha - "ESF" apparently stands for "Exchange Stabilization Fund", as spelled out in your other reply.
                          Most folks are good; a few aren't.

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                          • #14
                            Re: The Manipulation of Gold Prices

                            Originally posted by ThePythonicCow View Post
                            Aha - "ESF" apparently stands for "Exchange Stabilization Fund", as spelled out in your other reply.
                            Yes, and sorry for the lack of clarity. I was seriously minus on sleep. Here's the threads in question:
                            Dollar intervention
                            Dollar intervention: Facts versus ideology
                            Last edited by bart; December 05, 2008, 10:27 AM.
                            http://www.NowAndTheFuture.com

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                              Originally posted by bart View Post
                              Basically, gold & silver prices going up send a message to the broad public about both inflation and confidence in fiat currencies in general. And that's exactly opposite to the vested interests of the various central banks and governments.

                              Interesting, and a potentially conflicting dynamic between these two public perceptions you mention; I would suggest that the price of Au, at least historically, is more reflective of inflation expectations, although presently, risk of currency collapse is significantly higher than in the past.

                              In combatting deflation/disinflation, I believe the FED would want to set public expectations toward inflation - so the price of Au going up tells the public "inflation is coming" and they 1) stop saving/hoarding cash and spend before consumer prices go up and 2) lever up with debt to pay it back with inflated $.

                              Perhaps at present, loss of confidence in the fiat currency system is much higher risk than say a deflation spiral (at least to the fed) and so protecting the paper currencies is goal # 1, but once people aren't afraid of currency collapse, allowing Au to go up will help set inflation expectations and stop the disinflation.

                              thoughts?

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