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  • It's official - we're in recession

    Now maybe we can be free of all of the hedged language in the MSM. No need for the headlines to read "sliding toward recession" anymore - they can come right out and say it.

    EJ got it 100% right - more than a year in advance of these guys.

    Hoo

    NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) -- The National Bureau of Economic Research said Monday that the U.S. has been in a recession since December 2007, making official what most Americans have already believed about the state of the economy .

    The NBER is a private group of leading economists charged with dating the start and end of economic downturns. It typically takes a long time after the start of a recession to declare its start because of the need to look at final readings of various economic measures.

    "The committee views the payroll employment measure, which is based on a large survey of employers, as the most reliable comprehensive estimate of employment," said the group's statement. "This series reached a peak in December 2007 and has declined every month since then."

    Employers have trimmed payrolls by 1.2 million jobs in the first 10 months of this year. On Friday, economists are predicting the government will report a loss of another 325,000 jobs for November.

    The NBER also looks at real personal income, industrial production as well as wholesale and retail sales. All those measures reached a peak between November 2007 and June 2008, the NBER said.

    In addition, the NBER also considers the gross domestic product, which is the reading most typically associated with a recession in the general public.

    Many people erroneously believe that a recession is defined by two consecutive quarters of economic activity declining. That has yet to take place during this recession.

    This downturn longer than most
    The current recession is one of the longest downturns since the Great Depression of the 1930's.

    The last two recessions (1990-1991 and 2001) lasted eight months each, and only two of the 10 previous post-Depression downturns lasted as long as a full year, according to the NBER.

    In a statement, White House Deputy Press Secretary Tony Fratto said that even though the recession is now official, it is more important to focus on the steps being taken to fix the economy.

    "The most important things we can do for the economy right now are to return the financial and credit markets to normal, and to continue to make progress in housing, and that's where we'll continue to focus," he said. "Addressing these areas will do the most right now to return the economy to growth and job creation."


    http://money.cnn.com/2008/12/01/news...ion=2008120113

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    Re: It's official - we're in recession

    Kudos to EJ and Bart!


    This is one of Bart's posts back in March:
    http://www.itulip.com/forums/showthr...=8678#poststop

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    • #3
      Re: It's official - we're in recession

      repost

      http://www.itulip.com/forums/showthread.php?t=6707

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      • #4
        Re: It's official - we're in recession

        Yep - I'm in second place by 30 minutes. JK is at the head of the line.

        Gotta hit the refresh button more often...

        Originally posted by grizam303 View Post

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        • #5
          Re: It's official - we're in recession

          The rightwing nutjobs over at the Media Research Council still don't get it.

          Of course, they've been mocking the idea of a recession since at least last Summer. It is not a real recession. In their view, it is The Great Media Depression. I wonder if Phil Gramm is part of the team?

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          • #6
            Re: It's official - we're in recession

            For what its worth, an update:






            I'm not making a call on when the recession ends yet, but the bolded text section of the updated chart might be of help to some... especially if we're talking about the "official" recession.

            And a huge hat tip and more to Paul Kasriel of Northern Trust for the brilliant algorithm that has been 100% correct in predicting recessions as far back as my data goes.
            http://www.NowAndTheFuture.com

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            • #7
              Re: It's official - we're in recession

              .."And a huge hat tip and more to Paul Kasriel of Northern Trust for the brilliant algorithm that has been 100% correct in predicting recessions as far back as my data goes."...


              It had two false calls since the war, 1958 and 1961. I have the same calc on Economagic.com

              The algorithm is a simple as ABC, yet the effect is brillant.

              The latest data has seen CPi adjust money supply sky rocket to the moon. I guess the velocity of money is seeing these funds not being used, thus debt defaltion/disinflation is confirmed (obviously).
              Last edited by icm63; December 01, 2008, 08:17 PM.

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              • #8
                Re: It's official - we're in recession

                This is the best recession indicator for USA a mix of NTRS.com formula and a few other things thrown in !

                Recession when top blue line goes below zero. Sorry bart didnt mean to up one you !

                One false call since the war.

                Thats dam good !
                BestRecessionForecaster.jpg
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                • #9
                  Re: It's official - we're in recession

                  Originally posted by icm63 View Post
                  .."And a huge hat tip and more to Paul Kasriel of Northern Trust for the brilliant algorithm that has been 100% correct in predicting recessions as far back as my data goes."...


                  It had two false calls since the war, 1958 and 1961. I have the same calc on Economagic.com

                  The algorithm is a simple as ABC, yet the effect is brillant.

                  The latest data has seen CPi adjust money supply sky rocket to the moon. I guess the velocity of money is seeing these funds not being used, thus debt deflation/disinflation is confirmed (obviously).

                  Either my data or calculation is wrong, or Economagic is. Both the 1957/8 and 1960/1 recessions had the algorithm trigger. You can even barely see it on my chart in very early 1960 where the burgundy line does go below zero as the actual chart border.

                  Ah the joys of me being a data slut... ;)
                  http://www.NowAndTheFuture.com

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                  • #10
                    Re: It's official - we're in recession

                    And using real numbers for cpi etc, when did it start?

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                    • #11
                      Re: It's official - we're in recession

                      Originally posted by D-Mack View Post
                      And using real numbers for cpi etc, when did it start?
                      Your call:

                      http://www.NowAndTheFuture.com

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