India Seeks Tougher Terror Laws After Mumbai Attacks

[Sapiens]

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?p...d=aZJ5vLosD3qM

- Indian Prime Minister Manmohan Singh is seeking support for a crime-fighting agency modeled on the FBI and tougher anti-terrorism laws after the deadliest attacks in 15 years killed at least 195 in Mumbai, the financial capital.

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Too predictable...

[WDCRob]

Re: India Seeks Tougher Terror Laws After Mumbai Attacks

Because they're human beings with emotions? Or some other, more sinister, murky and conspiritorial, reason?

[Sapiens]

Re: India Seeks Tougher Terror Laws After Mumbai Attacks

Because they're human beings with emotions? Or some other, more sinister, murky and conspiritorial, reason?

OK, Rob. Simple Q; What makes one man a King Maker, another King and the rest servants? Figure that one out and you will have your answer.

[D-Mack]

Re: India Seeks Tougher Terror Laws After Mumbai Attacks

Ask good FBI agents in the US if it's a good idea

In the hours after September 11th, FBI agents in Minneapolis shared a macabre joke. For weeks prior, they had tried to interest FBI headquarters in Washington in Zacarias Moussaoui, now known as the 20th hijacker. They had begged FBI Headquarters to give them permission to seek a search warrant of Moussaoui's computer. They were denied. In their frustration, they joked that headquarters back in Washington must be infiltrated by agents of Osama Bin Laden. Why else would their work have been thwarted?
http://www.time.com/time/nation/arti...249500,00.html

[WDCRob]

Re: India Seeks Tougher Terror Laws After Mumbai Attacks

People want to feel safe. It's right up there with food and shelter as a basic human need. If you're a government and you don't do it you won't be the government for long. It's really much simpler than the shadowy conspiracies you're always hinting at, but never commit to in any detail.

Why don't you tell us what you really think? Explain it for us rather than dance around it and then respond with cryptic references straight out of an Umberto Eco novel when someone tries to pin you down?

[c1ue]

Re: India Seeks Tougher Terror Laws After Mumbai Attacks

Tried and true ways to re-solidify power.

It is amusing how the Bush/Rove political meme is spreading.

[Andreuccio]

Re: India Seeks Tougher Terror Laws After Mumbai Attacks

People want to feel safe. It's right up there with food and shelter as a basic human need. If you're a government and you don't do it you won't be the government for long. It's really much simpler than the shadowy conspiracies you're always hinting at, but never commit to in any detail.

Why don't you tell us what you really think? Explain it for us rather than dance around it and then respond with cryptic references straight out of an Umberto Eco novel when someone tries to pin you down?

Sapiens is admittedly cryptic, but terrorism sponsored by right wing elements within governments in order to create a call for stronger government power isn't just tin-foil hat stuff.

Probably the most famous example is the Reichstag fire, which Hitler used to consolidate power. Much better documented is terrorism in Italy during and around the 1970's. The Piazza Fontana bombing, (1969), the Bologna Massacre (1980), as well as other incidents of terrorism were carried out by far-right elements within the Italian Government and Intelligence community. US intelligence agents knew well in advance of the bombings, yet did nothing, so at least some part of the US government gave its tacit approval, if not outright support.

This doesn't necessarily prove the India bombings were orchestrated by the government, or even that they knew about them in advance but did nothing, but you always have to ask yourself: cui bono? Who benefits?

We assume that people within our government, or in this case India's government, would be incapable of being involved in such a tragedy, because we project our own morals and motivations onto them. We assume nobody could be so callous, or so evil. But clearly, there are many people who do not share our aversion to the slaughter of innocents for political, or economic, gain, and many of these people already hold positions of power.

[D-Mack]

Re: India Seeks Tougher Terror Laws After Mumbai Attacks

Probably the most famous example is the Reichstag fire, which Hitler used to consolidate power. Much better documented is terrorism in Italy during and around the 1970's. The Piazza Fontana bombing, (1969), the Bologna Massacre (1980), as well as other incidents of terrorism were carried out by far-right elements within the Italian Government and Intelligence community. US intelligence agents knew well in advance of the bombings, yet did nothing, so at least some part of the US government gave its tacit approval, if not outright support.

On Gladio there is a good book out, but unfortunately the Reichstag fire here in Germany is not seen as caused by Hitler and his friends, history was changed in the years after the war, although it's probably common knowledge outside of Germany

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The CIA and the British secret service MI6, in collaboration with the military alliance NATO and European military secret services set up a network of clandestine anticommunist armies in Western Europe after World War II. The secret soldiers were trained on remote islands in the Mediterranean and in unorthodox warfare centers in England and in the United States by the Green Berets and SAS Special Forces. The network was armed with explosives, machine guns and high-tech communication equipment hidden in underground bunkers and secret arms caches in forests and mountain meadows. In some countries, the secret army linked up with right-wing terrorists who in a secret war engaged in political manipulation, harassment of left wing parties, massacres, coup d'etats and torture.

Codenamed "Gladio" ('the sword'), the Italian secret army was exposed in 1990 by Italian Prime Minister Giulio Andreotti to the Italian Senate, whereupon the press spoke of the "the best kept, and most damaging, political-military secret since World War II" (Observer, 18. November 1990) and observed that "The story seems straight from the pages of a political thriller." (The Times, November 19, 1990). Ever since, so-called 'stay-behind' armies of NATO have also been discovered in France, Spain, Portugal, Germany, Belgium, the Netherlands, Luxemburg, Denmark, Norway, Sweden, Finland, Switzerland, Austria, Greece and Turkey. They were internationally coordinated by the Pentagon and NATO and had their last known meeting in the NATO-linked Allied Clandestine Committee (ACC) in Brussels in October 1990.

http://www.amazon.com/NATOs-Secret-A.../dp/0714685003

[Sapiens]

Truck with bomb powder hijacked

http://www.telegraphindia.com/108120...y_10194152.jsp

Ranchi, Dec. 1: The hijack of a truck loaded with tonnes of ammonium nitrate — a chemical compound used in explosives — from NH-23 last night has set off alarm bells.

Though senior police officers have ruled out Naxalite role in the incident, local villagers stress that the hijack was orchestrated by the rebels. They said the truck driver and his helper were later rescued from the red zone in semi-conscious state.

Sources said the truck, carrying 24 tonnes of ammonium nitrate, was on its way to an explosives factory at Gomia in Bokaro district from a chemical factory in Chhattisgarh. Six men in a Sumo chased the truck from Petarwar and forced the driver to stop 8km from Gola police station in Ramgarh in the early hours.

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the matter of concern is the quantity of ammonium nitrate that is missing. Experts said 24 tonnes of the compound could be turned into bombs powerful enough to blow up the entire state capital. IG (provision) S.N. Pradhan said efforts are on to locate the truck.

Oh boy.

[Rajiv]

Re: Truck with bomb powder hijacked

FYI Naxalite

Naxalite or Naxalism is an informal name given to communist groups that were born out of the Sino-Soviet split in the Indian communist movement. Ideologically they belong to various trends of Maoism. Initially the movement had its centre in West Bengal. In recent years, they have spread into less developed areas of rural central and eastern India, such as Chhattisgarh and Andhra Pradesh through the activities of underground groups like the Communist Party of India (Maoist). The CPI (Maoist) and some other Naxal factions are considered terrorists by the Government of India and various state governments in India.