India's Terrorist Attack: What we have today is systemic failure

[Sapiens]

http://in.rediff.com/news/2008/nov/2...ic-failure.htm

November 28, 2008
Terror now stalks the country. As one watched the television screens on the night of November 26 it seemed a re-run of past terrorist incidents in India. Yet these were different. India has not seen a terrorist attack of this kind where terrorists have stormed a hotel, taken people hostage, killed others and have made no ransom demand so far. Obviously they are playing for publicity and merely want to draw attention to themselves and whatever be their demands. Our hysterical response on television channels and confused response of the authorities adds to the publicity.

Anyone watching the television scenes would have noticed that the terrorists seemed calm, physically fit and had not even bothered to cover their faces. Their demeanour was that of well trained persons, familiar with their surroundings and the task to be accomplished almost commando-like in their bearing. They were either planning to drop their weapons after the act and melt into the crowd or go down fighting. The game is simple -- the longer the crisis lasts, the greater the publicity and greater the pressure on the government to do something. It will require consummate skill and determination to overcome this crisis with minimal loss of innocent lives.

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India will have the same problem as China with this economic crisis, what's a better excuse to repress civil liberties than a terrorist attack to control their population?

[Sapiens]

Re: India's Terrorist Attack: What we have today is systemic failure

Pictures from the attacks in Mumbai:

http://www.boston.com/bigpicture/200...er_attack.html

[Rajiv]

Re: India's Terrorist Attack: What we have today is systemic failure

Sapiens, This is more likely an outshoot of internal Pakistani politics -- an attempt by some in the Pakistani establishment to embarrass Zardari

See - Fury over Zardari Kashmir comment

A group of Muslim protesters in Indian-administered Kashmir has defied a curfew to denounce Pakistani President Asif Zardari and burn his effigy.

Mr Zardari has provoked outrage after being reported as saying that Islamic militants fighting Indian rule in Kashmir were "terrorists".

Leading Kashmir separatists have also denounced Mr Zardari.

Pakistan has supported anti-Indian militants and fought two wars with India over Kashmir.

First time

Many Kashmiris and Pakistanis regard militant groups fighting Indian rule in Kashmir as freedom fighters. Mr Zardari made his controversial reference to them as "terrorists" in an interview with the Wall Street Journal.

and Attacks coincide with Zardari’s outreach to India

Christiane Amanpour, CNN’s chief international correspondent, said on Thursday that ‘very, very interestingly’, the Mumbai attacks come at a time when the new president of Pakistan, Asif Ali Zardari, has “gone further than any previous Pakistani leader in saying they want to improve relations with India, in saying they want to jointly combat terrorism together. The Pakistani president even went so far as saying he would consider renouncing a nuclear strike on India”.

Also -- news out of India

3 Lashkar fidayeen captured

Maharashtra Police investigators say they have evidence that operatives of the Pakistan-based Lashkar-e-Taiba carried out the fidayeen-squad attacks in Mumbai — a charge which, if proven, could have far-reaching consequences for India-Pakistan relations.

Police sources said an injured terrorist captured during the fighting at the Taj Mahal hotel was tentatively identified as Ajmal Amir Kamal, a resident of Faridkot, near Multan, in Pakistan’s Punjab province. Highly-placed police sources said two other Pakistani nationals had also be held in the course of intense fighting on Thursday.

All three, the sources said, identified themselves as members of a Lashkar fidayeen squad.

Based on the interrogation of the suspects, investigators believe that one or more groups of Lashkar operatives left Karachi in a merchant ship early on Wednesday. Late that night, an estimated 12 fidayeen left the ship in a small boat and rowed some ten nautical miles to Mumbai’s Gateway of India area.

and Two Pak vessels apprehended off Gujarat coast

In its search to find the 'mother ship' of the terrorists who have attacked Mumbai, India on Thursday apprehended two Pakistani merchant vessels off the coast of Gujarat in a joint operation carried out by the Navy, Coast Guard and the water wing of the Border Security Force.

"We have apprehended two cargo ships in a joint operation near the Gujarat coast while they were sailing to Karachi. They are suspected to be the ships that ferried the terrorists near to Mumbai coast on Wednesday," Home Ministry sources told PTI.

The three sea-guarding forces were put on a high alert after intelligence agencies gave inputs about a merchant vessel, suspected to be involved in the terror attacks on Mumbai since Wednesday, trying to move towards Karachi in Pakistan.

The forces were, in fact, conducting their routine joint exercises in the general area of the Gujarat coast when they received the intelligence inputs and they immediately diverted their assets to search for the run-away merchant vessel.

"In the evening, Indian ships sighted two ships including the one about which intelligence agencies had given a tip-off," Home Ministry sources said.

The Indian ships apprehended both the cargo ships, which were identified as MV Alpha and MV Al Kabir. Officers of the three forces were ascertaining the credentials of the crew on board the two ships, sources added.

[LargoWinch]

Re: India's Terrorist Attack: What we have today is systemic failure

Pictures from the attacks in Mumbai:

http://www.boston.com/bigpicture/200...er_attack.html

I wonder if there were large short positions on the Indian Stock Index before the attack.

Or maybe it was picked-up by the Pentagon's terrorist future exchange? (sarcasm here)

[Sapiens]

Re: India's Terrorist Attack: What we have today is systemic failure

The big picture Rajiv, the big picture! You are not digging deep enough, cui bono?

[Sapiens]

Sharp rise in Indian investors’ suicides

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/da86bb36-a...077b07658.html

Sharp rise in Indian investors’ suicides

By James Lamont in New Delhi

Published: November 7 2008 18:33 | Last updated: November 7 2008 18:33

The global financial crisis is taking its toll in India’s cities as some despairing investors and stockbrokers seek refuge from their losses and debt in suicide.

A wave of financially related deaths over the past month has sparked concerns about the vulnerability of unsophisticated investors and borrowers encouraged by rising markets and easy credit in one of the world’s fastest growing economies.

“We are seeing a rise in the number of suicides happening as a result of financial pressures,” said Johnson Thomas, the director of Aasra, which runs a suicide prevention helpline in Mumbai.

“People are committing suicide because of difficulties associated with globalisation and a life all about debt. Lots of people are living beyond their means.

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[Sapiens]

Pakistan: out of money and time

http://mondediplo.com/2008/11/09pakistan

The new president of Pakistan has inherited a country in severe economic and military crisis, with outright war in the tribal areas and a wave of suicide bombs destabilising the cities. The US is already conducting military operations in Pakistan

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[grapejelly]

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It is obvious that these Mumbai terrorists were consummate professionals...trained I would think by governments. Ex-military or current military types...

[metalman]

Re: India's Terrorist Attack: What we have today is systemic failure

The big picture Rajiv, the big picture! You are not digging deep enough, cui bono?

speaking of pictures, what it really looked like. (warning... strong content)

what a tragedy.

[politicalfootballfan]

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[Master Shake]

Re: India's Terrorist Attack: What we have today is systemic failure

I don't see this as having anything to do with the financial crisis or a government trying to control their population. This is about a country with a large percentage of its population being members of the "Religion of Peace" and the problems that such a situation inevitably leads to.

[GRG55]

Re: India's Terrorist Attack: What we have today is systemic failure

I don't see this as having anything to do with the financial crisis or a government trying to control their population. This is about a country with a large percentage of its population being members of the "Religion of Peace" and the problems that such a situation inevitably leads to.

And exactly how many Islamic terrorist incidents around the world have been traced back to any involvement by Indian Muslims?

[D-Mack]

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It seems to me that it is important that each country in that region be kept small and weak, so that Global Elite may muscle them around. The following pipeline maps should help to shed some light....



http://www.globalsecurity.org/milita...drocarbons.htm



http://www.worldpress.org/specials/pp/pipelines.htm



http://www.ringnebula.com/Oil/Pipeline.htm
"This pipeline will carry $3-5 trillion in
oil and natural gas from the Caspian Sea basin via
Turkmenistan, Afghanistan, and Pakistan,
where ships docked in Arabian Sea ports
will then carry that fuel to energy hungry Asia."

What is most concerning to me is.....are we lookin' at the scene for the start of world war (at least the militarized part of it - WW IIIb) right there on these map?

Old plan used for Iraq and Pakistan called "Bernard Lewis Plan", what better way to poke India.

DIVIDE PAKISTAN TO ELIMINATE TERRORISM

Pakistan's soil is currently used 100% for all terrorist activities around the world. Pakistan is hijacked by PUNJAB'S MILITARY DICTATORSHIP and INTER-SERVICES INTELLIGENCE (ISI). It is a MUST to disintegrate Pakistan immediately under UN's supervision to combat spread of terrorist networks.
http://www.dividepakistan.blogspot.com/

Day to Day, September 29, 2006 · Sen. Joseph Biden (D-DE) talks about his plan for a decentralized Iraq, divided along ethnic and religious lines -- a Kurdish area to the north, and the rest divided between Shia and Sunni Muslims.
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/s...toryId=6166796

"Divide and Conquer", old British concept

[hayekvindicated]

Re: India's Terrorist Attack: What we have today is systemic failure

I don't see this as having anything to do with the financial crisis or a government trying to control their population. This is about a country with a large percentage of its population being members of the "Religion of Peace" and the problems that such a situation inevitably leads to.

Unfortunately, as much as I hate to admit it, this is right.

India will face many more attacks in the years to come - due to a burgeoning Islamic insurgency movement within the country and the continuing disintegration of Pakistan which is now a banana republic breeding Islamic fanatics.

These problems are traceable to the decisions that were made by Congress leaders in the 1940s. But that is a longer debate for some other time.

[hayekvindicated]

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And exactly how many Islamic terrorist incidents around the world have been traced back to any involvement by Indian Muslims?

Many more than Indian "secularists" will care to admit.