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    it seems to me that this kind of development is more likely than a return to bretton woods.-jk


    The Great Currency of China

    Nov 19 17:27
    by Izabella Kaminska


    Steen Jakobsen, CIO of Denmark’s Saxobank poses some interesting Asia-related thoughts in his latest blog post as he travels through Asia.

    Among them is the idea that the Chinese RMB can become a truly “hard” More…

    Steen Jakobsen, CIO of Denmark’s Saxobank poses some interesting Asia-related thoughts in his latest blog post as he travels through the continent.

    Among them is the idea that the Chinese RMB can become a truly “hard” international currency in its own right. Apparently this is now a serious thought doing the rounds in Asia and all the more interesting given Thursday’s admission by the Fed that the US is indeed in the midst of quantitative easing. Jim Rogers would indeed be pleased. Jakobsen says:

    The concept being that the US ultimately will devalue themselves out of the trouble, this is what they have done in the past and this time it is no different - Europe meanwhile will put up more and more protectionist measures as highlighted by Mr. Dirigisme Sarkozy, who makes Karl Marx look like an amateur in the game of Socialisme. Asia accepts JPY will go stronger, but they prefer the RMB as storer of value through the next few years.

    Jakobsen himself says he respects the concept but thinks it unlikely China will be able to go it alone. Instead, he also raises another idea - namely that China could link the currencies of peripheral Asian nations to the yuan.

    China can use the present crisis to extend “guarantees” to Indonesia and other weak foreign reserves nations serving multiple purposes: access to their resources, building co-depence on China reserves, secure military export, and align China interest with that on the linking currency. Truely if done it will catapult China status and have geopolitical implications not presently priced in.

    In support perhaps is Standard Chartered’s rather bleak outlook for peripheral Asian currencies ex-JPY under the current framework. The bank expects currency lows to go far beyond those set in 2001, based on ongoing foreign capital flight and the greater weakness of the US, Eurozone, UK and Japanese economies.

    In our view, the implications for AXJ currencies remain clear. They will weaken further across the board, albeit for different reasons. Current account/trade deficit currencies such as the Korean won (KRW), Indian rupee (INR), Indonesian rupiah (IDR) and the Philippine peso (PHP) will weaken further as long as the credit crisis is ongoing and foreign investors continue to unwind long positions in local stock markets. Meanwhile, small open economy currencies such as the Malaysian ringgit (MYR), Singapore dollar (SGD), Thai baht (THB), Taiwan dollar (TWD) and even the Hong Kong dollar (HKD) will weaken further as growth will slow sharply and authorities are becoming more tolerant of modest currency weakness.

    One last thought from Jakobsen: only Asia will come to Asia’s credit rescue. As it does it will become increasingly local in its investment outlook, a fact that will inevitably change the global investment picture. He explains:

    …there is so much dislocation in short-term corporate bonds, that the upcoming refinancing will make for excellent plays which taken correctly could yield 15-35% p.a. There was NO APPETITE - and I mean zero, zilst, nada, ingenting, keine interest for Europe or the US - This is the first time I have seen Asia so ‘local’ in their investment outlook. Clearly a tell sign things are to change.

    http://ftalphaville.ft.com/

    and from steen's own blog:

    Increasingly the focus of all Asians will be the north-south corridor of internal Asia rather than across corridors into the US & Europe - adjusting your investment outlook to this new world order is in my simple opinion the most important change one needs to make to understand - let alone make money in the next few years.

    http://saxomacro.blogspot.com/

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    Re: The Great Currency of China

    From Steen's blog:

    Strategy:

    We are still long 75% cash, the 25% deployed in:

    Negative Stoxx50, long jpy, short gold, short EURUSD & EURJPY. Small long TIPS, looking to buy selective Japan, SGD, utilities.
    Outside of a dog, a book is man's best friend. Inside of a dog, it's too dark to read. -Groucho

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    • #3
      Re: The Great Currency of China

      interesting, and slightly scary

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      • #4
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        so why on earth are they letting US banks buy their banks, surely chinese don't think they need american exdpertise, Or maybe they reckon all this has been the best scam ever and they need some help to do it themselves.

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          Re: The Great Currency of China

          The problem with talk about the yuan being the new 'hard' currency is that the yuan is neither convertible nor physically backed.

          China also clearly wants to reserve control of its own currency for its own internal economic purposes.

          I just don't see that changing anytime soon - the only question is what China chooses to undervalue against.

          It will be that currency that is 'hard'.

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            Re: The Great Currency of China

            Originally posted by c1ue View Post
            The problem with talk about the yuan being the new 'hard' currency is that the yuan is neither convertible nor physically backed.

            China also clearly wants to reserve control of its own currency for its own internal economic purposes.

            I just don't see that changing anytime soon - the only question is what China chooses to undervalue against.

            It will be that currency that is 'hard'.
            yes, it is hard to see how the yuan can play a global role without becoming convertible. otoh, perhaps they will start with a regional plan, as indicated in the post.

            say indonesia announces that the rupiah will henceforth trade in a band against the yuan. and so on for other asian currencies. you end up with an asian currency block under the control of china.

            i can see the emergence of 3 main currency blocks- a yuan centered one in asia x-japan, an anglophone dollar block to which latin america also is attached [and the yen attached as well], and a eurozone bloc with eastern europe and the uk more loosely attached.

            i would welcome others' thoughts on the implications of such a system for world trade and geopolitics.

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              I can see a path where it would make sense to have the yuan be convertible and a 'hard' currency, but that won't be until after China completes it transition into the '1st world'.

              Of course, that might never happen as '1st world' as defined today is physically impossible with the population of China, but even were it possible it will be a several decade long process.

              In the meantime, China can hardly afford to have the rest of Asia leeching off. Thus the regional bloc may well occur, but it still won't be with China as where the 'buck stops'.

              What is interesting is if you follow the trade flows and money flows, there appear to be growing trade blocs arising between South America and Spain/Portugal; Central/Northern Europe and Eastern Europe, Eastern Europe and China, and South America and China.

              My gut feeling is that it might not be necessary to have a global reserve currency should these flows strengthen and stabilize; a few pivot points such as the euro and the yuan will be transfer mechanisms but otherwise 'local' currency blocs will be just fine.

              Were this to happen then a formal Bretton Woods might not even be necessary.

              Notice, however, what I've left out: the US. While the US is the participant in the majority of flows thus far, a continuation of economic troubles plus a break in the US' ability to pay for ever rising consumption will potentially reverse the 'Wal Mart' effect this country has had thus far on trade.

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                Re: The Great Currency of China

                Originally posted by jk View Post
                i can see the emergence of 3 main currency blocks- a yuan centered one in asia x-japan, an anglophone dollar block to which latin america also is attached [and the yen attached as well], and a eurozone bloc with eastern europe and the uk more loosely attached.

                i would welcome others' thoughts on the implications of such a system for world trade and geopolitics.
                I agree with your thoughts, but I would expect the Yen to be part of an Asian block currency. Why do you think it would be in a US block??

                The crazy volatility of the USD against other currencies has pretty much killed my international trade. UK and Aus customers are not happy with 25 - 30% price increases caused by an artificially strong USD. I make more money playing the FX than I do through trade these days.

                I spoke with my people in China yesterday and we discussed this idea of an Asian regional currency and they were of a similar mind. My comments were for Asia, Euro and US block currencies, with which they agreed. They have wanted out of the USD for months now.

                If there is little belief in the short term return of the US consumer, then regional currencies will become a more likely scenario and in a shorter time frame IMHO. Plus I feel that three currencies would be more stable (for want of a better word) than one or two.

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                  Originally posted by Louie.G View Post
                  I agree with your thoughts, but I would expect the Yen to be part of an Asian block currency. Why do you think it would be in a US block??

                  The crazy volatility of the USD against other currencies has pretty much killed my international trade. UK and Aus customers are not happy with 25 - 30% price increases caused by an artificially strong USD. I make more money playing the FX than I do through trade these days.

                  I spoke with my people in China yesterday and we discussed this idea of an Asian regional currency and they were of a similar mind. My comments were for Asia, Euro and US block currencies, with which they agreed. They have wanted out of the USD for months now.

                  If there is little belief in the short term return of the US consumer, then regional currencies will become a more likely scenario and in a shorter time frame IMHO. Plus I feel that three currencies would be more stable (for want of a better word) than one or two.
                  no great insight on the yen. just historic rivalry and tension between japan and china as a possible impediment to a pan-asian currency bloc.

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                  • #10
                    Re: The Great Currency of China

                    Originally posted by Louie.G View Post
                    Plus I feel that three currencies would be more stable (for want of a better word) than one or two.
                    Agree. I'm not comfortable with the idea of one world curency. I think its better to get a degree of independence in a few regional blocs.

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                      Originally posted by jk View Post
                      no great insight on the yen. just historic rivalry and tension between japan and china as a possible impediment to a pan-asian currency bloc.
                      Valid point. I also found it interesting to see the following comment in EJs Debt Deflation Bear Market Update today.

                      "perhaps also yuan, if China succeeds in developing the yuan into a free floating and fully convertible international reserve currency"

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