Keiser: Issue Fatwa Against Counterfeiters

[santafe2]

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The economics of solar are based upon junk science, junk accounting, pot-head economics, and wishful thinking.

I have got to stop drinking the bong water. Last I checked I was getting over 25 kWh a year, per square foot from that pot-head solar junk on my roof. Seriously, Luke, you should put a nuke in your back yard. No one gets any respect by installing solar...but a nuke?! R-E-S-P-E-C-T...you're neighbors will pay tribute.

[santafe2]

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Just off the top of my head...what would you call.....

Illegal wars
Domestic Spying
Manipulated markets
$3T in missing DoD funds
Sponsoring journalists to publish gov't propaganda
Attack on Habeus Corpus
Gov't Torture
Bailouts


Would you say that this gov't functions to "secure [our unalienable] rights" or anything remotely resembling its functions as defined when "instituted"?

I would call this mismanagement and inattention. Not on the government's part, it's their job to take every liberty we've grown to expect away from us. I blame us. As you pointed to, we live under the best set of government regulations/directives any group of people could hope for. As a populace, we've spent so little time and attention with regard to our civic duties, our liberties have been noticeably removed.

This government is being peacefully transferred from a group of leaders who have little regard for our liberties to one that appears to have somewhat more regard. If we want this trend to continue, we'll need to continue to pay attention and ensure we have the best leaders we can elect. If we don't care for our leaders, we need to lead.

To compare our situation to that of the colonists in 1776 is to debase every document and every liberty you apparently hold dear.

[politicalfootballfan]

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[santafe2]

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Every read Quigley's Tragedy & Hope?

In any event, without getting in-to-it, I'm going to have to disagree with you on each of your points that I've bolded above.

You have invoked this comparison, I didn't.

I can tell from your bolding, we've no common ground. You see a world where government should be benevolent and when it is not, it proves conspiracy, (your Quigley reference). I see a world where people must be vigilant, make free time to have their voices heard, challenge their political leaders and lead when they disagree sufficiently. You apparently feel helpless, are angry and are suggesting we overthrow the best government structure in the world. I'm reading between the lines here as you've not come out of the closet.

Your reference to the Declaration of Independence invoked the comparison I attempted to firm up by framing your reference in time and circumstance. If you disagreed with that framing, you can make yourself more clear but don't reference a revolutionary document, (DofI), after starting a thread with an inflamitory segment from Al Jazeera and expect to walk away without being called out.

[Starving Steve]

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Santa Fe, NM is a very ideal location for solar for several reasons: 1.) low latitude which means a higher sun in the sky and less absorption of sunlight by the atmosphere; 2.) high elevation which means thinner air and therefore a stronger sunlight; 3.) low humidity which means a stronger sunlight (less absorption by water vapour); 4.) very little cloud cover throughout the year.

There are some communities in the South-west that are ideal for solar, and Santa Fe has to be about the very best of all of them.

But even in Santa Fe, you are going to have problems with dirt, dust, bird poop, fading, scratching, hail damage, ice damage, pine needles, leaves, branches, etc. And as the system gets older, the efficiency will probably drop just due to age alone.

Have you worked-out the long-term economics of solar on your roof? How long will your system last? This is really important stuff for everyone to know.

[politicalfootballfan]

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[santafe2]

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Santa Fe, NM is a very ideal location for solar for several reasons: 1.) low latitude which means a higher sun in the sky and less absorption of sunlight by the atmosphere; 2.) high elevation which means thinner air and therefore a stronger sunlight; 3.) low humidity which means a stronger sunlight (less absorption by water vapour); 4.) very little cloud cover throughout the year.

There are some communities in the South-west that are ideal for solar, and Santa Fe has to be about the very best of all of them.

But even in Santa Fe, you are going to have problems with dirt, dust, bird poop, fading, scratching, hail damage, ice damage, pine needles, leaves, branches, etc. And as the system gets older, the efficiency will probably drop just due to age alone.

Have you worked-out the long-term economics of solar on your roof? How long will your system last? This is really important stuff for everyone to know.

Thanks for the thoughtful response. It's true that latitude is important with solar panels. Also true that altitude helps and a desert environment - 300+ days of sun, is important. The same system in Seattle would perform at about 60% this level.

As for the environmental obstacles detailed in your post, they're important but only account for about 5% losses in non-extreme conditions. The recent release of a viable micro-inverter has further decreased this issue. Most environmental issues tend to cover the entire panel. It's generally those issues that favor one, or a small group of cells that cause real problems. We would refer to this as the Frisbee effect...a thing that completely covers one or more of the usual 72 cells in a solar panel.

As you pointed out in your initial post, solar is expensive today and requires support from the customers of utilities and various government entities. But without that support this fledgling industry will not get off the ground.

Huge government subsidies were borne by the citizens of Japan, Germany and Spain but the great research subsidies will be borne by us and completed in the US. It's not research to be completed at some future date, it's being funded and progressing today. We are ten years away from doubling our output per square foot of panel at half today's cost. Your children will think of solar panels as inorganic plants. Simply things that process sunlight and produce energy.

See the DARPA, Dupont, UD, others VHESC project to understand where solar is headed.

[santafe2]

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Wow, this is actually quite astonishing.....an attempt is being made to frame me and my thoughts and my feelings by creating and controlling both sides of the conversation.....how superbly dialectical.

Sorry, I'd respond but I find you boring. Maybe someone else on iTulip will take the time to entertain your cute teenage rhetoric. To quote Gertrude Stein: There is no there, there...apologies to Oakland.

[flintlock]

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To compare our situation to that of the colonists in 1776 is to debase every document and every liberty you apparently hold dear.

The list of the colonist's grievances with the crown in 1776 pales in comparison to the list given by political footbal fan above. If presented with the same list in 1776, we'd have probably seen the colonists sailing to England to tar and feather the King.

In 1776 America's main grievances boiled down to a lack of formal representation and a paltry tea tax. Britain had backed down on the other taxes and basicaly given in on most demands. History has blown way out of proportion the supposed "oppression" the Americans suffered under, until today most Americans take the claim of oppression at face value and never bother to even discover exactly what that list consisted of.

The fact is, far more people today are disatisfied with the government, in a much more profound way, than ever were in 1776. Probably less than 1/3 of American colonists ever supported the Revolution in any meaningful way. Compare that to the 15% approval rating of Congress today.

The average American's life changed very little under "American" rule vs rule of the crown in the late 1700s. What it did do was give to the American landed gentry the political power it craved to have a say in its future. Justifiably so I might add. Fortunately, that gentry consisted of some great men who saw the value in insuring that ALL Americans needed to benefit from the new government or it could not survive. Unfortunately, we've gotten away from that principle, and are seeing a slide back into the rule of government for the benefit of a few. Not unlike 18th century England, with its aristocracy bleeding the peasantry dry. They seek to turn the masses back into taxpayers/serfs, who exist only to serve the government plutocrats.

I have absolutely no doubt that the patriots of 1776 would today be lableled kooks and nuts. People confuse loyaty to their country with loyalty to their government.

Just putting some perspective on things.

[politicalfootballfan]

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