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  • If I had to show it in one chart...

    ...this would be it.

    T-bills and gold.

    Nice work Itulip. Thanks for your hard work!

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    Last edited by FRED; December 21, 2008, 05:42 PM.

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    Re: If I had to show it in one chart...

    Could you explain what we are seeing please?
    It's Economics vs Thermodynamics. Thermodynamics wins.

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    • #3
      Re: If I had to show it in one chart...

      Originally posted by *T* View Post
      Could you explain what we are seeing please?
      Here's an interactive version. You'll have to change the "From" date to get it to look like this JPG.

      A YTD chart, the tickers are on the right, as the lines terminate. IAU has lost little of its lustre compared to just about every other investment; SHY representing the risk-free investment. That's my read, anyway.

      Nice work, indeed.

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        Re: If I had to show it in one chart...

        Originally posted by *T* View Post
        Could you explain what we are seeing please?
        He's been following the iTulip investment thesis and is in T-bills and gold, no stocks or commodities. The chart shows TBills and gold versus stocks and commodities.
        Ed.

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        • #5
          Re: If I had to show it in one chart...

          Originally posted by FRED View Post
          He's been following the iTulip investment thesis and is in T-bills and gold, no stocks or commodities. The chart shows TBills and gold versus stocks and commodities.
          And that iTulip allocation changes at POOM, correct? i.e. when one becomes scared to hold treasuries.

          Originally posted by FRED View Post
          It is a constant source of confusion for our readers but monetary inflation is form of debt deflation. "Poom" is the way out of foreign debt. It will also create a lot of inflation, which may help households IF wage inflation is allowed to rise.

          Bad for savers unless they hedge with foreign currencies and commodity bets...link
          --ST (aka steveaustin2006)

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          • #6
            Re: If I had to show it in one chart...

            Originally posted by cmraynew View Post
            ...this would be it.

            T-bills and gold.

            Nice work Itulip. Thanks for your hard work!

            very nice chart -

            here is one of my favs -
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            • #7
              Re: If I had to show it in one chart...

              What exactly is SHY, IAU, Oil (West Texas Intermediate ???), SPY, EFA, EEM

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              • #8
                Re: If I had to show it in one chart...

                Originally posted by Glenn Black View Post
                What exactly is SHY, IAU, Oil (West Texas Intermediate ???), SPY, EFA, EEM
                Glenn, your question suggests you have been living a life solely in the auto industry or whatever it is you do there.

                Those are stock symbols, or more exact, symbol for ETF's. Oil may be OIL. Look here for some explanation. http://www.etfconnect.com/

                Put the symbols in and you'll get the information on ETF's and some ETN's.
                Jim 69 y/o

                "...Texans...the lowest form of white man there is." Robert Duvall, as Al Sieber, in "Geronimo." (see "Location" for examples.)

                Dedicated to the idea that all people deserve a chance for a healthy productive life. B&M Gates Fdn.

                Good judgement comes from experience; experience comes from bad judgement. Unknown.

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                • #9
                  Re: If I had to show it in one chart...

                  Originally posted by hankhill
                  In fact, if anyone can tell me how to invest my hard-won earnings and savings over the next couple of years I would appreciate it if you would respond, post-haste, because that is evidently what we deserve as Americans.
                  Asking for advice is one thing. Being willing to accept and implement it is another. I've given lots of advice to my friends and family. Some have asked for advice several times, over the course of a year or more. No one so far has taken any of it. Changing away from the tried-and-true is more difficult for most than you might think. They've largely lost their shirts, while I'm doing quite well. Fortunately, most of my commercial clients aren't as dense.

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                  • #10
                    Re: If I had to show it in one chart...

                    Originally posted by Sharky View Post
                    Asking for advice is one thing. Being willing to accept and implement it is another. I've given lots of advice to my friends and family. Some have asked for advice several times, over the course of a year or more. No one so far has taken any of it. Changing away from the tried-and-true is more difficult for most than you might think. They've largely lost their shirts, while I'm doing quite well. Fortunately, most of my commercial clients aren't as dense.
                    where's your harvard plaque? have i seen you on cnbc? framed with jim cramer? on?

                    who are you? nobody, just a guy with good sense who hasn't lost his short to the harvard, cnbc, cramer crew's family and friends.

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                    • #11
                      Re: If I had to show it in one chart...

                      Originally posted by hankhill
                      Jim,

                      Thank you, I'm still chuckling. I hate to pile on, kick 'em when they're down, nail a guy when he doesn't know any better, etc., but your comment was spot on.

                      I've had it up to here with people who can't expend a small amount of energy, or 10 seconds of search time to expand their collective horizons.

                      The sheople are in for a world of hurt, and much as I love 'em and identify with them; in fact, I guess that I've grown up as one of them, this is going to be a hard row to hoe for the majority out there.

                      In fact, if anyone can tell me how to invest my hard-won earnings and savings over the next couple of years I would appreciate it if you would respond, post-haste, because that is evidently what we deserve as Americans.

                      hank
                      hank, maybe I misunderstand your comment, but I was not intentionally or unintentionally being smart-assed regarding Glenn's question. From what I know were one to ask me about the Detroit 3 problem, which is nothing of a serious nature, Glenn strikes me as knowing a whole lot, and I appreciate expertise from those that have some of it.

                      My life's experience is that few people possess critical information about a lot of things (though some paint a picture suggesting my perception of this is wrong), experts become such because of some large factor of devotion to whatever might be the topic where they are top-notch or even world-class. I am happy to trade what little help I can offer them for their sharing of their insights from a level that otherwise I would never appreciate.

                      No question truly is not worth asking if we are here to hopefully learn things. Perhaps Glenn is like I in that I am one shitty searcher on the web.
                      Last edited by Jim Nickerson; December 23, 2008, 10:29 AM.
                      Jim 69 y/o

                      "...Texans...the lowest form of white man there is." Robert Duvall, as Al Sieber, in "Geronimo." (see "Location" for examples.)

                      Dedicated to the idea that all people deserve a chance for a healthy productive life. B&M Gates Fdn.

                      Good judgement comes from experience; experience comes from bad judgement. Unknown.

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                      • #12
                        Re: If I had to show it in one chart...

                        Originally posted by metalman View Post
                        where's your harvard plaque? have i seen you on cnbc? framed with jim cramer? on?

                        who are you? nobody, just a guy with good sense who hasn't lost his short to the harvard, cnbc, cramer crew's family and friends.
                        I'm a nobody, and plan on keeping it that way.

                        As far as I'm concerned, the guys with Harvard plaques and anyone associated with CNBC should be drawn and quartered for their role in the current mess. I sure as hell wouldn't take any financial advice from them.

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                        • #13
                          Re: If I had to show it in one chart...

                          Originally posted by Sharky View Post
                          I'm a nobody, and plan on keeping it that way.

                          As far as I'm concerned, the guys with Harvard plaques and anyone associated with CNBC should be drawn and quartered for their role in the current mess. I sure as hell wouldn't take any financial advice from them.
                          you got it. bunch of crooks. wait... doesn't obama have a harvard plaque?

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                            Re: If I had to show it in one chart...

                            Originally posted by Glenn Black View Post
                            What exactly is SHY, IAU, Oil (West Texas Intermediate ???), SPY, EFA, EEM
                            They are ETFs and similar derivatives that invest to reflect the return of specific commodities or broad indexes:

                            SHY -- T-Bonds
                            IAU -- Gold
                            OIL -- Crude oil
                            SPY -- S&P 500 (US stocks)
                            EFA -- International stocks
                            EEM -- Emerging market stocks

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                            • #15
                              Re: If I had to show it in one chart...

                              Originally posted by Sharky View Post
                              They are ETFs and similar derivatives that invest to reflect the return of specific commodities or broad indexes:

                              SHY -- T-Bonds
                              IAU -- Gold
                              OIL -- Crude oil
                              SPY -- S&P 500 (US stocks)
                              EFA -- International stocks
                              EEM -- Emerging market stocks
                              thx.

                              kudos to you. one of the guys in the class with class.

                              and thx, glenn, for the inside info on the auto industry. have learned a ton from you and have changed my mind on a few things.

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