Gerald Celente Predicts Revolution 2012

[Rajiv]

Re: Gerald Celente Predicts Revolution 2012

You should consider the Ehren Watada case, and also ask why there are not many more Ehren Watada's in the US armed forces (I would say the armed forces of most nations)

[flintlock]

Re: Gerald Celente Predicts Revolution 2012

Do the American People really think that even if they were able to organize and put forth any sort of tactical effort to "take back this country" that they'd be able to do anything other than get tens of thousands of themselves killed?

If this ever does happen it'll be a bloodbath. Last I checked, "they" have airplanes that are capable of dropping bombs that can level entire towns in a matter of minutes. I don't think that shotguns and rifles are going to be much of a match for that.

(I don't for a second doubt that if it came down to it they "they" would carpet bomb an entire city into the ground either)

Ask Czar Nicholas about that. He had an Army of millions. Or King Louis. Or the former Soviet Union. Or any other deposed leader/govt with a powerful army. Not advocating anything here, just bringing up the facts. The military isn't made up of a bunch of robots. They are the children/fathers/mothers of these citizens you think the government would bomb.

I see the guns issue more as being bought for self defense against the mobs that are bound to take over if anarchy breaks out.

I am an avid gun collector, and all the online gun sales sites are reporting selling out of almost anything that shoots. Unprecidented sales. Of course a lot has more to do with a possible gun ban than any fear of the future. And speculators seeking to make some money.

I think Celente is spot on with his predictions by the way. Same conclusions I came to on my own months ago. Barring some sort of "Congress flu" that kills off our political class, I think its inevitable.

[Rantly McTirade]

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What burns my shorts is the "patriots" who turn to revolution and armed insurrection because their party didn't win. Isn't a free and fair election process the whole F#$@ing point of Democracy?

Country First was a vacuous enough slogan, but it looks like they meant Party First.

The problem with Democracy is that every idiot gets a vote. Maybe we need to weight votes. Let's say men get a single vote and women get two. This solves a lot of the overspending, overly macho military stance we seem so fond of. Next, a Bachelor's degree gets you a 50% boost; one and a half votes for men, three for women. Any post grad degree and you're at two for men and four for women. I'd like to drop the vote to zero point five for ever attending a monster truck rally or NASCAR event, but I digress.

Hey, just how much worse could it be?

Assuming that the average Republican(I'm not any kind-average or not-of either of the two sides of the same coin) would actually be arming themselves and planning resistance of any kind shows your ignorance. The rest of your post shows your arrogance and, most of all, your cowardice and fear. Pathetic little dweeb.

[Serge_Tomiko]

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The chief reason why Americans can not connect the dots--- can not think--- is their public school system which keeps kids dumb.

The American public school curriculum (kindergarten thru grade 12): a 150 year old ritual of white history, constitution worship, penmanship, English-only, phonics, timed test-taking skills, nationalism, obedience training, absurd skill drills, and flag salutes. And Sarah Palin wants to add creationism to the curriculum.

Then add guns to the dumbed-down population trained by the public schools, add a corrupt government, and accelerating economic decline, and you have American society the way it is now--- on the brink of chaos.

Is this supposed to be a joke?

[Serge_Tomiko]

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What burns my shorts is the "patriots" who turn to revolution and armed insurrection because their party didn't win. Isn't a free and fair election process the whole F#$@ing point of Democracy?

Country First was a vacuous enough slogan, but it looks like they meant Party First.

The problem with Democracy is that every idiot gets a vote. Maybe we need to weight votes. Let's say men get a single vote and women get two. This solves a lot of the overspending, overly macho military stance we seem so fond of. Next, a Bachelor's degree gets you a 50% boost; one and a half votes for men, three for women. Any post grad degree and you're at two for men and four for women. I'd like to drop the vote to zero point five for ever attending a monster truck rally or NASCAR event, but I digress.

Hey, just how much worse could it be?

There are some, myself included, who do not believe this country was founded as a democracy. We also believe that democracy is in fact the most evil form of governance imaginable and is doomed for failure.

The issue is simply this: you have a distorted view of humanity and history. You seem to have little understanding of the kinds of values that have created civilization and are necessary for its continued success as you define it.

More than anything else, you have accepted the feminine principles of hedonism and procreation. Is it men who desire a world of 6 billion souls constantly competing for the remains of our ravaged world? Is it men who believe the ultimate goal of society is to insure every living person has the unlimited right of reproduction? Do men truly crave a world without pain, focused purely on endless pleasures? Do most men honestly believe materialism should be the dominant method of organizing and describing human behavior? Did you even know "mater" is latin for woman?

The world has become very much out of balance. The cultural creativity and destructive characteristics of men have been pushed aside in the service of the womb. In that time, the number of humans has increased six-fold, and our entire world is now being driven to find ever more clever ways of supporting our great brood. At the same time, the art and culture has been commodified at best and eliminated at worst. When there are a billion mouths to feed, there is no time to waste on bring beauty to the world.

You do not seem to grasp that your dream makes a mockery of humanity, and soon the tide of history will turn against you. You uphold our decadent culture as the highest form, but you are wrong. We need only one reason to establish a new political order: yours is too boring.

I will leave you with a delicious quote from Herr Nietzsche:

Whether it is hedonism or pessimism, utilitarianism or eudaemonism - all these ways of thinking that measure the value of thing in accordance with pleasure and pain , which are mere epiphenomena and wholly secondary, are ways of thinking that stay in the foreground and naivetes on which everyone conscious of creative powers and an artistic conscience will look down not without derision, nor without pity. Pity with you - that, of course, is not pity in your sense: it is not pity with social "distress", with "society" and its sick and unfortunate members, with those addicted to vice and maimed from the start, though the ground around us is littered with them; it is even less pity with grumbling, sorely pressed, rebellious slave strata who long for dominion, calling it "freedom". Our pity is a higher and more farsighted pity: we see how man makes himself smaller, how you make him smaller - and there are moments when we behold your very pity with indescribable anxiety, when we resist this pity - when we find your seriousness more dangerous than any frivolity. You want, if possible - and there is no more insane "if possible" - to abolish suffering . And we? It really seems that we would rather have it higher and worse than ever. Well-being as you understand it - that is no goal, that seems to us an end , a state that soon makes man ridiculous and contemptible - that makes his destruction desirable .

The discipline of suffering, of great suffering - do you not know that only this discipline has created all enhancements of man so far? That tension of the soul in unhappiness which cultivates its strength, its shudders face to face with great ruin. its inventiveness and courage in enduring, persevering, interpreting and exploiting suffering and whatever has been granted to it of profundity, secret, mask, spirit, cunning, greatness - was it not granted to it through suffering, through the discipline of great suffering? In man creature and creator are united: in man there is material, fragment, excess, clay, dirt, nonsense, chaos; but in man there is also creator, form giver, hammer, hardness, spectator divinity, and seventh day: do you understand this contrast? And that your pity is for the "creature in man". for what must be formed, broken, forged, torn, burnt, made incandescent, and purified - that which necessarily man and should suffer? And our pity - do you not comprehend for whom our converse pity is when it resists your pity as the worst of all pamperings and weaknesses?

Thus it is pity versus pity.

But to say it once more: there are higher problems than all problems of pleasure. pain. and pity; and every philosophy that stops with them is naive.

[vinoveri]

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I am a bit worried about high unemployment and racist southerners though. Certainly makes me glad that I'm living in Canada..

Hey Blaze, take it easy brother. Sounds like you've been watching the CBC for a few too many years.;)

I assume you are you referring to those Michigan good ole boys - or perhaps Montana freeman anyhow. We are a bit predjudiced here in Tennessee and Kentucky ... ain't no better whiskey anywhere in the world no sir, our Jack Daniels and Bookers puts your Yukon Jack to shame (soory if I hut your feelins but truef is truef).

Seriously, racism may exist for sure, but it is isolated now and shamed into the hiding in the dark. Political Correctness nonsense, group think and solidarity of victimhood and entitlement is the new tyrant on the block.

[Chris]

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Oh dear...now we're quoting Nietzsche...this thread's quality is turning the way of the AAA MBS.

[Down Under]

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Speaking as one of "they" you can rest assured that if the US military was called into action against it's own citizenry, there would be "problems".

See the oath of office. WE ALL take that oath VERY SERIOUSLY. Each and Every part.

Well, I think that's a good thing. Not only is the US financially bankrupt, I think it is morally bankrupt as well.

[Guest]

Re: Gerald Celente Predicts Revolution 2012

Serge - you can take your heady Nitzschean political philosophy on the road, and go peddle it in someone else's country - I would not vote your "political philosophy" to fulfill the job of a town barker, let alone any elected official guiding my future. This kind of heroicist claptrap is precisely the sort of idealist honeypot which entices the likes of National Socialists to it, from both the left and the right. And to ascribe the global population explosion to the "feminine principle" run amok?? :eek: This notion is likely the most idiotic misogynistic claptrap I've read on these pages. and there have been a few quixotic ideas deposited around here.

Population explosion occurs due to impoverished societies, where offspring are parents sole means of depositing a "social security" account for their old age. The large familes interact with the exponential function when much of the world remains dirt poor, to produce a population bomb. Your "runaway feminine principle" notions really are out of the bottom drawer of intelligent discourse - at least to this reader.

To the best of my understanding the vast majority of history has precisely consisted of a type of life that has been "nasty, brutish and short" for all but a tiny aristocracy. There is your glorious legacy of "suffering imparting true wisdom to mankind" - and good riddance to it, if the past 100 years has finally achieved a world where at least half the human population has some small respite from the most brutish aspects of suffering.

Last time I checked, our great challenge was still how to deliver the remaining 3.5 billion from the ravages of brutish suffering which has been the hallmark of most of the globe's population for 3000 years.

My intuition is that behind the screen of these forum web pages, you are some sort of yearning intellectual (I believe you've whispered elsewhere about the siren call of anarchist leanings), with soft tender palms tapping these soaring Nitzschean "lofty pensieres" from your keyboard onto these pages - which you have perhaps subscribed to after a lifetime of progressive ennuie, derived from too much of the study bound, educated pursuits.

Maybe you yearn for Neitzsche's exhortations to a "sterner, purer form of existential consciousness" to rescue us all from our presumably cowlike human condition ( let's have some more ennobling suffering! :rolleyes: ), while sitting comfortably in your armchair.

Suffering has actually had very little to redeem it for thousands of years, and there has been an immense surfeit of it. Human progress is the progressive emancipation from the more brutish versions of suffering. Figuring out how to prevent humans from becoming bland, or what you might term "cowlike" after they have been at least somewhat delivered from the most brutish forms of suffering is most certainly not addressed intelligently by consiging them straight back to the brutish world from which they only recently escaped.

I seem to recall reading some other such heady nonsense of yours previously.

There are some, myself included, who do not believe this country was founded as a democracy. We also believe that democracy is in fact the most evil form of governance imaginable and is doomed for failure.

The issue is simply this: you have a distorted view of humanity and history. You seem to have little understanding of the kinds of values that have created civilization and are necessary for its continued success as you define it.

More than anything else, you have accepted the feminine principles of hedonism and procreation. Is it men who desire a world of 6 billion souls constantly competing for the remains of our ravaged world? Is it men who believe the ultimate goal of society is to insure every living person has the unlimited right of reproduction? Do men truly crave a world without pain, focused purely on endless pleasures? Do most men honestly believe materialism should be the dominant method of organizing and describing human behavior? Did you even know "mater" is latin for woman?

The world has become very much out of balance. The cultural creativity and destructive characteristics of men have been pushed aside in the service of the womb. In that time, the number of humans has increased six-fold, and our entire world is now being driven to find ever more clever ways of supporting our great brood. At the same time, the art and culture has been commodified at best and eliminated at worst. When there are a billion mouths to feed, there is no time to waste on bring beauty to the world.

You do not seem to grasp that your dream makes a mockery of humanity, and soon the tide of history will turn against you. You uphold our decadent culture as the highest form, but you are wrong. We need only one reason to establish a new political order: yours is too boring.

I will leave you with a delicious quote from Herr Nietzsche:

Whether it is hedonism or pessimism, utilitarianism or eudaemonism - all these ways of thinking that measure the value of thing in accordance with pleasure and pain , which are mere epiphenomena and wholly secondary, are ways of thinking that stay in the foreground and naivetes on which everyone conscious of creative powers and an artistic conscience will look down not without derision, nor without pity. Pity with you - that, of course, is not pity in your sense: it is not pity with social "distress", with "society" and its sick and unfortunate members, with those addicted to vice and maimed from the start, though the ground around us is littered with them; it is even less pity with grumbling, sorely pressed, rebellious slave strata who long for dominion, calling it "freedom". Our pity is a higher and more farsighted pity: we see how man makes himself smaller, how you make him smaller - and there are moments when we behold your very pity with indescribable anxiety, when we resist this pity - when we find your seriousness more dangerous than any frivolity. You want, if possible - and there is no more insane "if possible" - to abolish suffering . And we? It really seems that we would rather have it higher and worse than ever. Well-being as you understand it - that is no goal, that seems to us an end , a state that soon makes man ridiculous and contemptible - that makes his destruction desirable .

The discipline of suffering, of great suffering - do you not know that only this discipline has created all enhancements of man so far? That tension of the soul in unhappiness which cultivates its strength, its shudders face to face with great ruin. its inventiveness and courage in enduring, persevering, interpreting and exploiting suffering and whatever has been granted to it of profundity, secret, mask, spirit, cunning, greatness - was it not granted to it through suffering, through the discipline of great suffering? In man creature and creator are united: in man there is material, fragment, excess, clay, dirt, nonsense, chaos; but in man there is also creator, form giver, hammer, hardness, spectator divinity, and seventh day: do you understand this contrast? And that your pity is for the "creature in man". for what must be formed, broken, forged, torn, burnt, made incandescent, and purified - that which necessarily man and should suffer? And our pity - do you not comprehend for whom our converse pity is when it resists your pity as the worst of all pamperings and weaknesses?

Thus it is pity versus pity.

But to say it once more: there are higher problems than all problems of pleasure. pain. and pity; and every philosophy that stops with them is naive.

[Chris]

Re: Gerald Celente Predicts Revolution 2012

Great post, Lukester.

[flintlock]

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I agree with some of what Serge says. We have become a very "wussified" nation in search of comfort at any expense. We were NOT formed as a democracy.
Very few people consider the ramifications of unlimited procreation.

[bungee]

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The US seems to me to be the most active grass roots democracy in the world.

Really? Would that be democracy by abstention?

According to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voter_turnout the US has amongst the lowest voter turnout of any country which lets its citizens vote.

US citizens regulate their own towns, schools etc, and organize at the drop of a hat - into little league, hiking groups, book clubs, and at the other extreme into pressure groups like MoveOn etc etc..

And they still manage to fit in an average 5+ hours of TV watching every day to find out about all these activities (that by definition they are missing!) Fantastic!

A trivial example - what happens in America when the lights go off at a major intersection ? People treat it like a stop sign, and there's no jam. In most other countries - lotsa noise, BIG traffic jam, no progress, wait for somebody else to solve the problem...

Do you have evidence for this or is it just based on your inherent belief that the US is somehow different? special?

Take the specs off!

[World Traveler]

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I agree that Americans are some of the calmest, most law-abiding drivers around, and I've been all over the world.

I can see Americans taking to the streets to protest, a la '60's, if things get bad enough, but armed insurrection, I very much doubt it.

The Obama administration and the Democrats will make a much stronger attempt to respond to the needs of the average American than the Bush administration would ever dream of doing.

If they don't, they they know they'll lose the next elections.

[Starving Steve]

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My comments were no joke. They are my sincere opinion of the U.S. public school curriculum, and really, that curriculum extends well into college. The problem is the school curriculum from kinder thru undergraduate college.

At U.C. Berkeley, I remember having to take absurd courses in art history, philosophy, rhetoric, bone-head English, U.S. history, all just to just to fulfill breadth requirements to get a B.A. degree.... And in the job market, as I was later to find-out, the degree was not worth the paper it was printed on.

[Wild Style]

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I agree that Americans are some of the calmest, most law-abiding drivers around, and I've been all over the world.

I can see Americans taking to the streets to protest, a la '60's, if things get bad enough, but armed insurrection, I very much doubt it.

The Obama administration and the Democrats will make a much stronger attempt to respond to the needs of the average American than the Bush administration would ever dream of doing.

If they don't, they they know they'll lose the next elections.

I am from Brooklyn and I have seen some of the most barbaric people ever produced. If it gets as bad as Mr. Celente is predicting, you better get a gun and learn muay thai.