Jimmy Carter 2!

[Mega]

I like O-be but he reminds me SO much of Jimmy Carter, & it seems not just me!

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/c...-recovery.html

Mike

[sunskyfan]

Re: Jimmy Carter 2!

There may be a correlation between Obama and Carter in that they were elected based partly on th rejection of a discredited previous President. There also may be a correlation in that they both will have delt with the aftermath of a failed war and its economic consiquences. But, I think the comparison stops there.

Carter was an Engineer and lead like one. Very badly. (No offense to the very bright engineering types out there!) Obama is a word/idea/motivator type. He has an element of "cool" that maybe JFK had which gives him a cultural cache that Carter pretended to have.

I actually think, politically, that Obama is more populist than Democrat. Ironically, the great populist segment of the American electorate finally got their President and it wasn't Huey Long, John Andersen, Ron Paul, or Ross Perot ... it was Barak Obama and they don't know it .

[Mega]

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I feel that he is going to "Dissapoint" a lot of people..........they think he is JFK/MLK Hybrid..........he is not!

He been bought & paid for, "They" couldn't risk "Hilly" getting to the Whitehouse..............she was too smart & they had no control over her (Whitewater didn't go anywhere).

Nope, "They" needed this guy........Now the ROP can go find a "Regan"......Huck-a-be?
Mike

[blazespinnaker]

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Nah.

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/amex/carter/...p_georgia.html

Carter wasn't really into delegation, where as Obama is a great at it. He was also an awkward leader.

I think Obama is more a mixture of Reagan and Al Gore. Reagan's leadership strengths, but Al Gore's youth, intellect and liberalism.

[Mega]

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Look at the people he has already appointed:-

LOOK AT WHAT THEY REP:-

Industral Miltaly complex
APAC
Goldmansacs

Differant leader, same vested intrests!

Sorry for the spelling, i been drinking.
Mike

[we_are_toast]

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If we had listened to Jimmy Carter, Solar and wind would be very mainstream energy sources by now. There would have been no more oil shocks and we wouldn't be fighting an oil war in the Mideast. He's the only person to have brought peace between any 2 countries in the Mideast. He won the nobel peace price. He commissioned the global 2000 report which forecast the current resource problems but was ignored by Reagan/Bushes. He did more for environmental causes than any president since Teddy Roosevelt. He travels throughout the world and tries to bring fair, democratic elections to 3rd world countries.

Gee, Obama better be careful that he doesn't end up like that.

[Jeff]

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Jimmy Carter has gotten a really unfair rap after inheriting the disaster of Nixon and Ford. He could have done better, but he was a better man than W in a million ways.

I am very hopeful about Obama, because there is a lot to be said for a charismatic leader. It's not "just" being a celebrity, there are things we need to do that a strong leader can ask us to do, and that W never did.

[Mega]

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GOP needs to listen to Ron Paul:-
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4sxAW...d.php?t=539697

They need to get another Regan lined up!

Mike

[c1ue]

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Mega,

We did get another Reagan: It was 'W'.

Same style of management: have no clue but rely on your people.

Reagan happened to pick good ones, 'W' did not.

But more importantly, Reagan inherited a United States that was hurt by a short term oil spike, but was still an economically and militarily vibrant nation.

Obama has only one of the two.

I hope he does well, but I continue to dread what he actually does.

Those who think it will be Clinton redux are going to be disappointed; the situation today is fundamentally different than what Clinton inherited.

Similarly those who think Obama can charm his way out of this - again unlikely.

The issue isn't 'We have nothing to fear but fear itself'.

The issue is: 'We have massive debts and a broken national economic model. We must make nasty difficult choices to sacrifice our way out of it'.

Charm isn't the factor.

[Mega]

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Heavy reading:-
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...ope-Earth.html
Mike

[sunskyfan]

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Hitchens clearly doesn't get the point of Obama's election. It sounds like the Manchurian Candidate Palin was puking out the last month of the election and is about that insightfull. Elitest like this guy never have understood that America is about the nobility of the common man. We try other paths once in a while but it always comes back to this theme. Anybody who resonates with the common people must be a celebrity by definition. What is he trying to say about Obama's associations with Resko for instance. That somehow Obama was just doing what he was told to pad the pockets of Resko in prison? As to the criticism or the soaring rhetoric it reminds me of a European who just can't quite understand the beauty of a hamburger. Some peope just can't roll their R's.

Obama's election was about a generational shift. It was about an economy with a center-of-gravity closer to the Earth. It was about re-investing the common man in his own nobility. It was not about affirmation of an ideology which is probably why it is so threating to a guy like Hitchens.

[ricket]

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Charm isn't the factor.

Charm isnt the sole factor, but it definitely has a part to play.

I think, generally, that the human race would much rather have bad information divulged to them in at least a soft manner (aka "charm") versus just the sheer brutality of the truth.

I can relate that in a couple of ways. Any politician that is running for office isnt going to stand up to the voters he/she encounters every day and say "OMG YOU ARE SO WRONG AND I WOULD DO THINGS DIFFERENTLY!". Instead, they will probably ask non-pointed questions like "Well, have you thought about it from this angle?" because alienating and angering voters has always been, and will always be, a losing strategy. Also, think about it if you were an OR doctor and your patient just died and you had to tell the family. You wouldnt just walk in there and be like "Yep, he's dead because he lost lots of blood so his brain simply died". You would try and ease it on them, to make them feel better. More like "Well, he fought hard, and he was hanging in there until the very end, but he just wasnt able to make it". That's the necessity of Charm. It's appealing to the deep down, instinctual emotions of human beings. At least if he (the doctor) has to tell us bad things, he can tell us in a good way, in which we can try and move on accept the situation for what it is versus just telling us bluntly and we sit there and stare at the wall in utter and complete shock not doing anything.

[D-Mack]

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It wasn't a great choice........

McCain: Obama=Carter second term
by Mosheh Oinounou

WASHINGTON, D.C. — In an interview with Carl Cameron today, Sen. McCain introduced some new pushback to Sen. Obama’s assertion that the GOPer represents a Bush third term. The presumptive Republican nominee instead argues that the Illinois Democrat is promoting policies that would mean a second term for President Carter.

“You know one of his favorite phrases is that I would be a Bush third term. Well I think maybe his proposals could be a Carter second term,” McCain told Fox.

...

http://cameron.blogs.foxnews.com/200...r-second-term/

[sishya]

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If we had listened to Jimmy Carter, Solar and wind would be very mainstream energy sources by now. There would have been no more oil shocks and we wouldn't be fighting an oil war in the Mideast. He's the only person to have brought peace between any 2 countries in the Mideast. He won the nobel peace price. He commissioned the global 2000 report which forecast the current resource problems but was ignored by Reagan/Bushes. He did more for environmental causes than any president since Teddy Roosevelt. He travels throughout the world and tries to bring fair, democratic elections to 3rd world countries.

Gee, Obama better be careful that he doesn't end up like that.

Jimmy Carter was the worst. Hope Obama does not become like him especially if an US Embassy is taken over by an enemy country. We don't want such indecisiveness. Obama better learn to act and forget his way of voting "present" as his record says. His populist message is good, but fear that he may be into too much consultation and indecisiveness in times of crisis. Wish him Good Luck.

NOTE : Winning nobel peace prices is not a tangible achievement. That is the after effect of bring Israel/Egypt together.

[c1ue]

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Ricket,

The issue with Obama isn't that he has charm (or not).

The issue is will he make the difficult choices?

Can he stand being unpopular with a vocal and large group of angry people?

Can he make choices based on the greater good of the American people, as opposed to the greater good of his own party or worse, the greater good of his campaign sponsors?

He's no longer a fill-in candidate for a most despicable Republican senator who was booted out of office - running against a carpetbagger.

He's no longer a 'fringe' senator who can go out and do largely what he likes because he doesn't matter.

As I've said before, I hope he does well.

It is simply that I have yet to see any evidence to that effect.