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  • Show Me The Money!

    Is your stock really making a profit?

    I mean, really???

    I don’t mean did its management play the beat-the-analysts-estimate shell game.

    Often you find some of the most excellent pearls in Barron’s Mailbag. The below letter appeared this week, and no stock investor should fail to heed its message.

    Bundles Of Options

    For those contemplating an investment in Cisco ("Cisco’s Bundles Of Joy", Oct. 9), bear in mind that Cisco spent the bulk of its profits the past 12 years to buy back 1.5 billion shares issued to employees in lieu of cash compensation.

    Stock option exercises dilute shareholders. Rather than shrink the share count, as Cisco’s CFO claims, Cisco’s buybacks merely stemmed the tide of dilution. Stock repurchases that combat dilutions are a roundabout way of paying compensation.

    Cisco employees hold another 1.4 billion stock options. A 22% ownership dilution threatens - not counting any future option grants - unless the company spends the next decade’s profits on share repurchases. Cisco shareholders are on a treadmill to nowhere.

    Albert J. Meyer
    Bastiat Capital
    Plano, Texas


    In other words, Cisco shifted a huge portion of employee compensation off the earnings statement by using stock options. This made profits appear far larger than they really were. Then the real expense of that compensation was touted as a return to shareholders, thus counting the money twice.

    No wonder so many companies prefer share buybacks to paying dividends on their stock. Once real cash is actually paid to shareholders, there is no opportunity to take it back and use it over again. You have to make real profits in order to pay money out to shareholders without running the company into the ground. Floating new shares and diluting shareholders is the corporate equivalent of governments and central banks inflating and diluting the money supply, appropriating value from all holders of the respective securities without their knowledge or approval.

    Demand dividends. If your company is really and truly making a profit, just say:

    Show me the money!
    Finster
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    Re: Show Me The Money!

    Finster, Bart, et al...

    Do you happen to have a chart showing dividend payout over time for the S&P or other broad market indices?

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    • #3
      Re: Show Me The Money!

      Originally posted by WDCRob
      Finster, Bart, et al...

      Do you happen to have a chart showing dividend payout over time for the S&P or other broad market indices?
      Here ya go. This shows the dividend yield of world stocks over the past 135 years.

      Finster
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      • #4
        Re: Show Me The Money!

        Originally posted by Finster
        Here ya go. This shows the dividend yield of world stocks over the past 135 years.

        nice. hey, chartmaster... ran across these french guys. soul mates of yours...

        http://www.at-bourse.com/Analyse-Rec...vtptc-3300.php

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        • #5
          Re: Show Me The Money!

          Originally posted by metalman
          nice. hey, chartmaster... ran across these french guys. soul mates of yours...

          http://www.at-bourse.com/Analyse-Rec...vtptc-3300.php
          Oy. But Bart is the Man O Chart.

          He is the soul mate of these French ... but at least I can understand what he's saying ... sort of ... ;)
          Finster
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          • #6
            Re: Show Me The Money!

            Thanks Finster.

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            • #7
              Re: Show Me The Money!

              Originally posted by Finster
              He is the soul mate of these French ... but at least I can understand what he's saying ... sort of ... ;)

              And here I had your Christmas present already picked out... ;)

              http://www.NowAndTheFuture.com

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              • #8
                Re: Show Me The Money!

                Originally posted by metalman
                nice. hey, chartmaster... ran across these french guys. soul mates of yours...
                Rank amateurs... :eek: ;)


                400+ charts here


                200+ more charts here
                http://www.NowAndTheFuture.com

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                • #9
                  Re: Show Me The Money!

                  Originally posted by bart
                  And here I had your Christmas present already picked out... ;)
                  Yonder quote above is the one I was referring to as from the same Albert J. Meyer mentioned in the article you sent me.

                  Now who's this Bernanke guy you're talking about ... ? ;-)
                  Finster
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                  • #10
                    Re: Show Me The Money!

                    Good post. (I'm a little behind and just catching up now that work has slowed down recently.) One of the reasons I bought a "B" share of Berkshire Hathaway when I had some money to invest a few years ago, rather than mutual funds, or buying a basket of stocks, was Buffett and his thinking about management, his emphasis on transparency, his comments on stock options being akin to some demonic pox on the value of a company, and when he invests in stock, he focuses on dividends and value. I'd love to find other companies like that, where there is a real ownership mentality in the management team, rather than the cash out as much as possible ethic that seems to predominate most of the rest of the market.

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                    • #11
                      Re: Show Me The Money!

                      Originally posted by Finster
                      No wonder so many companies prefer share buybacks to paying dividends on their stock.
                      No, simple tax issue. Capital gains is less than income tax.

                      Everyone has always been aware of the stock options. While it makes the valuation a bit more tricky, it can still be done and has.

                      The problem with the stock market, I think, is different. I'll post in another thread.

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