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  • Credit card relief? BANKS WANNA SAY "MERRY CHRISTMAS!"

    http://www.newsday.com/services/news...,2060183.story

    Credit card relief?
    Banks, which are losing billions because many card holders aren't paying anything, seek OK to forgive up to 40% of strapped consumers' debts

    THE ASSOCIATED PRESS
    November 1, 2008

    With defaults on credit card debt spiraling amid a global financial downturn, banks already reeling from the mortgage crisis are losing billions more from unpaid credit card bills.

    Big banks have formed an unusual alliance with consumer advocates to urge the government to allow huge portions of credit card debt to be forgiven, a turnabout from recent years when the banking industry lobbied strenuously to make it harder for consumers to erase their credit card debts in bankruptcy.

    The new pilot program, which the banks hope will become permanent, could involve as many as 50,000 people struggling with credit card debt. On an individual basis, the amount of debt to be forgiven would rise according to the severity of the borrower's financial situation, up to a maximum of 40 percent.

    "There's obviously a financial benefit to the financial institutions to step up to the plate right now," said Susan Keating, president and chief executive of the National Foundation for Credit Counseling. "We absolutely support the proposal."

    In an increasingly tough economic climate, banks and other mortgage lenders already have been agreeing to modify loans of distressed homeowners to help them avoid foreclosure. Now, banks making credit card loans have reached a point where they can lose less by forgiving part of the debt than seeing the consumer walk away entirely.

    Credit cards now look to be the latest domino to drop in a financial crisis that started with subprime mortgages and continually takes new twists. Amid rising job losses, consumers - even those with strong credit records - have been defaulting at high levels on their credit cards. Banks already battered by the mortgage and credit crises are bleeding tens of billions in red ink from the losses.

    Americans are lumbering under about $900 billion in credit card debt, according to the latest available Federal Reserve figures.

    The new proposal pitched to federal regulators by the Financial Services Roundtable, which represents more than 100 big banks and other financial companies, and the Consumer Federation of America, would allow lenders to reduce by as much as 40 percent the amount of credit card debt owed by deeply indebted consumers in a pilot program.



    WHAT'S IN THE CARDS?

    CREDIT CARD MESS. Consumers, even those with solid credit records, have been defaulting at high levels on their credit cards. Banks battered by the mortgage and credit crises are losing tens of billions of dollars from the unpaid debt.

    UNUSUAL ALLIES. Big banks have joined with consumer advocates to urge the government to allow a pilot program in which up to 40 percent of an individual's credit card debt could be forgiven, with the remainder to be paid over several years.

    HOW IT WOULD WORK. The program could involve as many as 50,000 people. On a case-by-case basis, the amount of debt to be forgiven would rise in sync with the severity of the borrower's financial situation.

    - The Associated Press
    The more irresponsible the better. Good grief!

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    Re: Credit card relief? BANKS WANNA SAY "MERRY CHRISTMAS!"

    Originally posted by Sapiens View Post
    http://www.newsday.com/services/news...,2060183.story



    The more irresponsible the better. Good grief!
    ok, here's my plan.

    step 1. run up humungous credit card bills. buy everything i ever wanted... cars, tvs, etc.

    step 2. take all of my money out of all of my accounts, sell my house, take it all in cash and bury it in the ground.

    step 3. call my boss an 'asshole' and get fired.

    step 4. stop paying my credit card bills.

    step 5. claim i don't have any money and sure as shit my financial situation is bad.

    step 6. they give me 40% off my credit card balances.

    step 7. i pay the balances off with the cash.

    step 8. i buy my house back.

    viola! i got a 40% discount on all the stuff.

    what do you think?

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    • #3
      Re: Credit card relief? BANKS WANNA SAY "MERRY CHRISTMAS!"

      Why do they need the governments permission to forgive this debt? This is suppose to be pre-bankruptcy.

      Sure seems like a whole lot of people are just going to stop paying on their cards.

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      • #4
        Re: Credit card relief? BANKS WANNA SAY "MERRY CHRISTMAS!"

        Also from John Mauldin -

        "According to American Express, delinquencies on credit payments rose to 4.1% of all credit outstanding in the 3Q, up from 2.5% in 3Q of 2007, with Bank of America's rate rising even more steeply, to 5.9% in the quarter.

        "Moreover, the 'pool' of loans deemed 'uncollectable' rose to a high 6.7% in the 3Q, soaring from 3.6% last September."

        What consumer spending there is has been fueled in part by credit card. Greg notes this uncomfortable piece of data: the second largest "merchant-vendor" for credit card use is now McDonalds. This suggests that many consumers are in serious distress when they need to get their $4 Big Mac and fries with a credit card.

        This is the problem facing the economy next year. Credit card growth like we have seen in the last few months has never been sustained at such a level, and is unlikely to be this time either. This is especially true as credit card delinquencies have been rising, as noted above.

        The next administration is going to be faced with a retrenching consumer, which will likely push the economy even deeper into recession. This will of course result in higher unemployment. In the first year of the next president's term, he is likely to see another one million people lose their jobs, pushing unemployment to almost 8%.

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        • #5
          Re: Credit card relief? BANKS WANNA SAY "MERRY CHRISTMAS!"

          Originally posted by metalman View Post
          ok, here's my plan.

          what do you think?
          I'm with you metal. Great plan. To hell with saving.

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          • #6
            Re: Credit card relief? BANKS WANNA SAY "MERRY CHRISTMAS!"

            Originally posted by we_are_toast View Post
            Why do they need the governments permission to forgive this debt? This is suppose to be pre-bankruptcy.

            Sure seems like a whole lot of people are just going to stop paying on their cards.



            haha, sounds like communism, in communism, people don't owe money. food for thought what will happen 10 years down the road. ;)

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            • #7
              Re: Credit card relief? BANKS WANNA SAY "MERRY CHRISTMAS!"

              Originally posted by metalman View Post
              ok, here's my plan.

              step 1. run up humungous credit card bills. buy everything i ever wanted... cars, tvs, etc.

              step 2. take all of my money out of all of my accounts, sell my house, take it all in cash and bury it in the ground.

              step 3. call my boss an 'asshole' and get fired.

              step 4. stop paying my credit card bills.

              step 5. claim i don't have any money and sure as shit my financial situation is bad.

              step 6. they give me 40% off my credit card balances.

              step 7. i pay the balances off with the cash.

              step 8. i buy my house back.

              viola! i got a 40% discount on all the stuff.

              what do you think?
              You forgot collect unemployment, duh!

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              • #8
                Re: Credit card relief? BANKS WANNA SAY "MERRY CHRISTMAS!"

                Originally posted by tombat1913 View Post
                You forgot collect unemployment, duh!
                dang! thanks, forgot. you can tell i'm new at this but can maybe get the hang of it in time, comrad!

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                • #9
                  Re: Credit card relief? BANKS WANNA SAY "MERRY CHRISTMAS!"

                  ok, here's my plan.

                  what do you think?

                  I'm with you metal. Great plan. To hell with saving.
                  You'd have to be pretty stupid to work and save dollars. You can still save, just save Gold instead of Dollars and if your interested in investing buy gold stocks. Today these are the only investments I feel comfortable buying.

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                  • #10
                    Re: Credit card relief? BANKS WANNA SAY "MERRY CHRISTMAS!"

                    Originally posted by metalman View Post
                    step 2. take all of my money out of all of my accounts, sell my house, take it all in cash and bury it in the ground.
                    Cash to gold before burying. Cmon, metalman!

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                    • #11
                      Re: Credit card relief? BANKS WANNA SAY "MERRY CHRISTMAS!"

                      Originally posted by metalman View Post
                      ok, here's my plan.

                      step 1. run up humungous credit card bills. buy everything i ever wanted... cars, tvs, etc.

                      step 2. take all of my money out of all of my accounts, sell my house, take it all in cash and bury it in the ground.

                      step 3. call my boss an 'asshole' and get fired.

                      step 4. stop paying my credit card bills.

                      step 5. claim i don't have any money and sure as shit my financial situation is bad.

                      step 6. they give me 40% off my credit card balances.

                      step 7. i pay the balances off with the cash.

                      step 8. i buy my house back.

                      viola! i got a 40% discount on all the stuff.

                      what do you think?
                      Metal, I see one fatal flaw:

                      Originally posted by metalman View Post

                      step 2. take all of my money out of all of my accounts, sell my house, take it all in cash and bury it in the ground.



                      step 7. i pay the balances off with the cash.

                      step 8. i buy my house back.
                      You weren't specific, but I hope you didn't plan to bury the cash/gold on the property of the house you sold. :eek:

                      Reminds me a bit of this:

                      ARTHUR:
                      What happens now?
                      BEDEVERE:
                      Well, now, uh, Launcelot, Galahad, and I, uh, wait until nightfall, and then leap out of the rabbit, taking the French, uh, by surprise. Not only by surprise, but totally unarmed!
                      ARTHUR:
                      Who leaps out?
                      BEDEVERE:
                      U-- u-- uh, Launcelot, Galahad, and I, uh, leap out of the rabbit, uh, and uh...
                      ARTHUR:
                      Ohh.
                      BEDEVERE:
                      Oh. Um, l-- look, i-- i-- if we built this large wooden badger--
                      Outstanding. Second time in a week I got to quote Monty Python.

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