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    Looks like this is about to get interesting. . .


    http://seekingalpha.com/article/9967...rgency-meeting

    Here is an update on the size of the derivatives market with the latest official figures (.pdf) from the Bank for International Settlements (BIS). Hold your breath, as we are not anymore talking paltry billions but TRILLIONS of whichever fiat currency.
    Current emergency meetings on banks and markets are still only in the stage where politicians and central bankers are bickering over how to create a few more hundred billions Euros and FRNs. But toxic MBS pale in comparison to the mushrooming growth of the derivatives market. According to figures released in the quarterly review of the BIS (pp A103) in September the total notional amount of outstanding derivatives in all categories rose 15% to a mindboggling $596 TRILLION as of December 2007.
    Two thirds of contracts by volume or $393 TRILLION fell into the category of interest rate derivatives. Credit Default Swaps had a notional volume of $58 TRILLION, seeing the sharpest relative increase after a volume of $43 TRILLION a year earlier.
    Currency derivatives reached a volume of $56 TRILLION.
    Oh, and every grand balance sheet comes with a trash can. Unallocated derivatives with a notional amount of $71 TRILLION are looming over the heads of the disintegrating investment community too.
    However You Look At It, This Is an Accident Waiting To Happen

    Don't lose your sleep because of these numbers that KO my desktop calculator. In an ideal world - in which we are not - long and short derivatives would net out each other, leaving only a fraction of risk. The BIS tries to assess this net risk with a total of $14.5 TRILLION (2006: 11.1 TRILLION) in gross market value for all contracts but comes up with a second figure.
    The so called Gross Credit Exposure appears almost moderate at $3.256 TRILLION after $2.672 TRILLION a year earlier.
    Even when taking the lowest of these figures shudders run down my spine. All emergency talks have so far focused on a few hundred billions in fiat currencies, but the current nervousness demonstrated by hectic talks of finance ministers and central bankers all over the globe should give everybody a vague idea that something here may blow up any day. This pool of so far silent derivatives without a major bust can come to life any day with the failure of a multinational financial firm.
    The BIS review is a good way to grasp the dimensions long term monetary expansion has brought upon us. A net risk of $14 TRILLION compares with the annual GDP of the USA. Nobody, absolutely nobody can afford this tab in the case of an unorderly unwinding of this market that is roughly 12 times the size of the global economy. I conclude a lot more paper promises will be burnt in the coming derivatives tsunami. As a reminder, most of these contracts have been moved off balance sheets into under capitalized subsidiaries that profited from the good rating of the parent company. But in case of a default it is this nasty, nasty huge notional amount that becomes a liability.
    As the vast majority of these contracts have no market, failure will come in the form of counterparty risk. This makes all the current emergency meeting a bit more understandable if politicians are already aware of the biggest bubble that may find no other way of deflation than a sudden burst. I base my sense of urgency on the rapid growth of the net risk in only one year, rising a stunning 30% at a time when the first signs of the credit crunch appeared.
    German chancellor Angela Merkel said ahead of an emergency meeting with French president Nicolas Sarkozy in a TV interview that she would present a rescue package for German banks on Monday. This is also expected from several other European countries. Italian president Silvio Berlusconi went so far as to suggest a concerted stock exchange holiday. It would fit the other crooked nails in the coffin of free markets.

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    Re: $600 trillion derivatives emergency

    interesting

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    • #3
      Re: $600 trillion derivatives emergency

      Originally posted by KGW View Post
      in September the total notional amount of outstanding derivatives in all categories rose 15% to a mindboggling $596 TRILLION as of December 2007.
      I think the number was much larger in December 2007

      Global Derivatives Market now valued at $1.14 Quadrillion!

      The Bank of International Settlements, which seems to be the only institution that tracks the derivatives market, has recently reported that global outstanding derivatives have reached 1.14 quadrillion dollars: $548 Trillion in listed credit derivatives plus $596 trillion in notional/OTC derivatives.
      Here is the BIS links
      Semiannual OTC derivatives statistics at end-December 2007
      Regular OTC Derivatives Market Statistics

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      • #4
        Re: $600 trillion derivatives emergency

        My FAVORITE MATH PROBLEM: ( I test my son on this one all the time).

        What is $1.14 Quadrillion dollars divided by 4.6 billion ounces of gold?

        about $250,000/ oz.

        Put's things into perspective, no?

        Also, 6 billion people divide by 4.6 BILLION ounces of gold = about .76 oz per person.

        Villa in Tuscany in Roman times? 1000 denarius, 10 denarius = 1 oz gold = 100 oz gold for a Villa in tuscany.

        Current price of a villa in tuscany? About $5-6 Million USD or about 7700 oz gold.

        Between the Villa, the Dollar and Gold, which is the better buy right now based on historical valuations?

        Based on historical valuations, how many villas in tuscany could I purchase right now?

        Which has grown faster world Human population or world gold supply?

        Another fun math problem: it you took 1.14 Quadrillion dollar bills and stacked them one on top of another (thickness wise) how tall would the stack be? What is that distance comparable to?

        A: about 75 Million miles or about 1.3 times the min approach distance between the Earth and Mars. (240 bills per inch, about 57 Million miles at min approach distance, max is 250 million miles)

        All Fun questions to answer.

        Ask my son to explain a FIAT Fractional Reserve Banking System to and then ask him if he can Identify the problems with such a system and if he can propose a better alternative and what it look like and how it might work. (He's 9, BTW).

        My question is: if a 9 year old can grasp these concepts, why can't others?
        Last edited by jtabeb; October 18, 2008, 09:53 PM. Reason: corrected million to billion

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        • #5
          Re: $600 trillion derivatives emergency

          Originally posted by jtabeb View Post
          What is $1.14 Quadrillion dollars divided by 4.6 billion ounces of gold?

          about $250,000/ oz.

          Put's things into perspective, no?

          Also, 6 billion people divide by 4.6 million ounces of gold = about .76 oz per person.
          Good stuff, but is it 4.6 million or billion? Source?

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          • #6
            Re: $600 trillion derivatives emergency

            Originally posted by bpr View Post
            Good stuff, but is it 4.6 million or billion? Source?
            Yes you are correct, thanks for catching my mistake, (price is correct at $250K, gold supply should be 4.6 BILLION)

            4.6 Billion oz Au = total above ground gold stocks, source world gold council, Data is for 1997 if I'm not mistaken.

            Here is more form gold eagle

            http://www.gold-eagle.com/editorials...hen011506.html

            (their number is 4.3 billion as of 2006)

            BTW, a Quadrillion Dollars is literally "One-Million-Billion" Dollars. You could give every person on earth $161,290.00 EACH with that much money, or if you are Amero-centric, you could give each American
            $3,562,500.00 and we could each by 17 Median Priced homes for cash. (that would solve the housing crisis, would it not?)

            This would also buy 1,461,538,461,538 oz of Au at present prices. (see anything funny in that last calculation? It is only 317 times more than total world gold supply) ;);)

            Pretty freaking stark-raving-mad, if you ask me. When we have to measure the derivatives market in terms of Astronomical Units (Ave dist from the Earth to the Sun, about 93 Million Miles) SOMETHING is very wrong with our financial system.

            Anybody catching my drift here?
            Last edited by jtabeb; October 18, 2008, 10:21 PM.

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              Re: $600 trillion derivatives emergency

              Another fun math problem: it you took 1.14 Quadrillion dollar bills and stacked them one on top of another (thickness wise) how tall would the stack be? What is that distance comparable to?
              Put the bills end to end and it would take 17 hours for a light beam to go from end to end. Or you could wallpaper the entire earth 2 1/3 times.

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              • #8
                Re: $600 trillion derivatives emergency

                Originally posted by jtabeb View Post
                My FAVORITE MATH PROBLEM: ( I test my son on this one all the time).

                Villa in Tuscany in Roman times? 1000 denarius, 10 denarius = 1 oz gold = 100 oz gold for a Villa in tuscany.

                Current price of a villa in tuscany? About $5-6 Million USD or about 7700 oz gold.

                Between the Villa, the Dollar and Gold, which is the better buy right now based on historical valuations?
                The only problem you can not eat gold and use it as a home. So if I would have to choice between having Villa in Tuscany or x amount of gold over my life I would prefer Villa What are you going to do with a gold if tomorrow G20 would say: "We have a new financial system xxxxx. No gold anymore."

                Do not need an answer for this rhetoric question.

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                • #9
                  Re: $600 trillion derivatives emergency

                  NIce Jateb. I thought a similiar thing yesterday with the derivatives divided by gold thing. However, wouldn't the derivatives money just vanish as debtors can't pay them? Or would this money get into the real economy?

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                  • #10
                    Re: $600 trillion derivatives emergency

                    Villa in Tuscany in Roman times? 1000 denarius, 10 denarius = 1 oz gold = 100 oz gold for a Villa in tuscany.

                    Current price of a villa in tuscany? About $5-6 Million USD or about 7700 oz gold.

                    Between the Villa, the Dollar and Gold, which is the better buy right now based on historical valuations?
                    Land rights have changed significantly since Roman times. I think it's probably easy to say that your land rights are 100x are what they were during Roman times, when I'm sure anyone could just come along and kill you for it. How is land of any value if you aren't assured you can keep it? A villa in Roman Tuscany is probably the equivalent of a present time villa somewhere in Zimbabwe.


                    And why not use food prices? How much do you think a huge steak cost in that time in gold versus a huge steak now in gold?

                    Life has changed since roman times. The post is specious at best.

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