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    http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/17/op...gewanted=print

    October 17, 2008
    Op-Ed Contributor
    Buy American. I Am.

    By
    WARREN E. BUFFETT
    Omaha
    THE financial world is a mess, both in the United States and abroad. Its problems, moreover, have been leaking into the general economy, and the leaks are now turning into a gusher. In the near term, unemployment will rise, business activity will falter and headlines will continue to be scary.


    So ... I’ve been buying American stocks. This is my personal account I’m talking about, in which I previously owned nothing but United States government bonds. (This description leaves aside my Berkshire Hathaway holdings, which are all committed to philanthropy.) If prices keep looking attractive, my non-Berkshire net worth will soon be 100 percent in United States equities.


    Why?


    A simple rule dictates my buying: Be fearful when others are greedy, and be greedy when others are fearful. And most certainly, fear is now widespread, gripping even seasoned investors. To be sure, investors are right to be wary of highly leveraged entities or businesses in weak competitive positions. But fears regarding the long-term prosperity of the nation’s many sound companies make no sense. These businesses will indeed suffer earnings hiccups, as they always have. But most major companies will be setting new profit records 5, 10 and 20 years from now.
    Let me be clear on one point: I can’t predict the short-term movements of the stock market. I haven’t the faintest idea as to whether stocks will be higher or lower a month — or a year — from now. What is likely, however, is that the market will move higher, perhaps substantially so, well before either sentiment or the economy turns up. So if you wait for the robins, spring will be over.


    A little history here: During the Depression, the Dow hit its low, 41, on July 8, 1932. Economic conditions, though, kept deteriorating until Franklin D. Roosevelt took office in March 1933. By that time, the market had already advanced 30 percent. Or think back to the early days of World War II, when things were going badly for the United States in Europe and the Pacific. The market hit bottom in April 1942, well before Allied fortunes turned. Again, in the early 1980s, the time to buy stocks was when inflation raged and the economy was in the tank. In short, bad news is an investor’s best friend. It lets you buy a slice of America’s future at a marked-down price.


    Over the long term, the stock market news will be good. In the 20th century, the United States endured two world wars and other traumatic and expensive military conflicts; the Depression; a dozen or so recessions and financial panics; oil shocks; a flu epidemic; and the resignation of a disgraced president. Yet the Dow rose from 66 to 11,497.


    You might think it would have been impossible for an investor to lose money during a century marked by such an extraordinary gain. But some investors did. The hapless ones bought stocks only when they felt comfort in doing so and then proceeded to sell when the headlines made them queasy.


    Today people who hold cash equivalents feel comfortable. They shouldn’t. They have opted for a terrible long-term asset, one that pays virtually nothing and is certain to depreciate in value. Indeed, the policies that government will follow in its efforts to alleviate the current crisis will probably prove inflationary and therefore accelerate declines in the real value of cash accounts.


    Equities will almost certainly outperform cash over the next decade, probably by a substantial degree. Those investors who cling now to cash are betting they can efficiently time their move away from it later. In waiting for the comfort of good news, they are ignoring Wayne Gretzky’s advice: “I skate to where the puck is going to be, not to where it has been.”


    I don’t like to opine on the stock market, and again I emphasize that I have no idea what the market will do in the short term. Nevertheless, I’ll follow the lead of a restaurant that opened in an empty bank building and then advertised: “Put your mouth where your money was.” Today my money and my mouth both say equities.


    Warren E. Buffett is the chief executive of Berkshire Hathaway, a diversified holding company.



    Nothing further to add other than: if you are skilled in the art of shorting there is still a truckload of money to be made in this market.

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    As for the deft plucking of juicy short opportunities (EJ described this pastime as "vacuuming up the nickels in front of the steamrollers") from what I read the markets are trembling on the brink of a massive intermediate rebound, and given the secular scale savagery of this bear market, the rebound will likely be of almost equal violence. But this will likely not daunt the daredevils here from testing their unerring timing laying on leveraged short positions at this juncture. Better you than me fellas! Some of us were apparently born with wings (leaves me perplexed why they cannot afford a $100 subscription to iTulip but whatever). Is that an eagle aloft? No it's a short seller, at the 50% decline point of a secular bear market! :rolleyes:
    Last edited by Contemptuous; October 17, 2008, 03:34 AM.

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      Re: Advice from Warren Buffett

      http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/17/op...17buffett.html

      Version of link that doesn't ask you to log in.

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        Re: Advice from Warren Buffett

        Why catch a falling knife? If I'm going to listen to anyone who tells me to jump, it will be EJ.

        The equity thing is likely only just begun. If Buffet is comparing this to the great depression, then are we at 1932? or 1929, or 1930? Didn't it take a lot longer than 10 years for the stock market to get back to its high in 1929? (I'm not knowledgable in this area)

        If Buffet thinks this is like 1987, then fair enough.


        Buffet could quite easily be dead before he makes money on this. Why bother?
        Doesn't he have enough money by now? I'd be doing other stuff if I was him, but then I'm not, so each to their own.

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          Re: Advice from Warren Buffett

          Didn't it take a lot longer than 10 years for the stock market to get back to its high in 1929? (I'm not knowledgable in this area)

          The market did not exceed its 1929 highs until 1954.

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            Re: Advice from Warren Buffett

            Buffet buys stuff that yields like 10%. Once he's bought he doesn't care if the market drops. Very long term he is probably right. Few of us have pockets that deep or an address book that well-connected to get his deals.
            It's Economics vs Thermodynamics. Thermodynamics wins.

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              Since everyone seems to think Buffet is wrong and now is not the time to buy stocks, what is the suggested point in time to start buying? Next week? Next month? Next year? In 5 years? What will be your signal? When everyone else is buying?

              Going totally out of or boots and all into any one asset class is speculation as far as I am concerned. Nobody knows how the future will pan out (with all due respects to EJ).

              I don't follow the American market closely (not being in the US) but I'd be sure there are stocks out there that are yielding well over 10% - you just have to go look. There are REITs in Aus selling at yields great than 20% at the moment. Yes, I know commercial property is crashing and all but said REITs have already dropped by 80%. Even if the yield gets halved it's still 10%.... if they are not a buy now, when will they be a buy?

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                Re: Advice from Warren Buffett

                Originally posted by walenk View Post
                Didn't it take a lot longer than 10 years for the stock market to get back to its high in 1929? (I'm not knowledgable in this area)

                The market did not exceed its 1929 highs until 1954.
                At this point, you're not buying off the high, 14K and change.
                Outside of a dog, a book is man's best friend. Inside of a dog, it's too dark to read. -Groucho

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                  Re: Advice from Warren Buffett

                  Hmmm, Buffet is not the only one who is switching to BUY.

                  For a long while I've been following a column by Charlie Fell, an investment advisor who writes in the Irish Times. He has a good track record during the current crisis: predicted the collapse and subsequent recession etc etc

                  He takes a very thoughtful approach to investing and for a long time his advice has been to stay away from stocks. Until today.

                  http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/...108324898.html

                  Any other bears turning into bulls?

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                  • #10
                    Re: Advice from Warren Buffett

                    "This is the time to buy stocks. This is the time to recall the words of the late J. P. Morgan... that any man who is bearish on America will go broke. Within a few days there is likely to be a bear panic rather than a bull panic. Many of the low prices as a result of this hysterical selling are not likely to be reached again in many years."
                    - R. W. McNeel, market analyst, as quoted in the New York

                    Herald Tribune, October 30, 1929 "Buying of sound, seasoned issues now will not be regretted"
                    - E. A. Pearce market letter quoted in the New York Herald Tribune, October 30, 1929

                    "Some pretty intelligent people are now buying stocks... Unless we are to have a panic -- which no one seriously believes, stocks have hit bottom."
                    - R. W. McNeal, financial analyst in October 1929
                    Does anything else really need to be said?

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                      Re: Advice from Warren Buffett

                      why so cautious? LIBOR is down 28 bp for overnight and 8bp for 3 month. We're home an dry. Buy, buy, buy!!

                      ;)

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                        Re: Advice from Warren Buffett

                        Originally posted by *T* View Post
                        Buffet buys stuff that yields like 10%. Once he's bought he doesn't care if the market drops. Very long term he is probably right. Few of us have pockets that deep or an address book that well-connected to get his deals.
                        My first thought was that he can only do this because of his position. That seems to be more like the truth.

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                          [quote]Paulson's Capital May Bring Blackstone, Carlyle Back (Update1)

                          By Jason Kelly
                          Oct. 17 (Bloomberg) -- The U.S. Treasury's pledge to inject $250 billion into banks may coax private-equity leaders Stephen Schwarzman, David Rubenstein and Henry Kravis to resume investing after more than a year spent mostly on the sidelines.
                          The founders of Blackstone Group LP, Carlyle Group and KKR & Co. LP told investors in Dubai this week that the biggest government intervention in the financial system since the 1930s will help attract private capital to lenders. The U.S. plan, following similar steps by Britain and other nations, may lead to investments of tens of millions dollars, not the $20 billion- plus deals that capped the leveraged-buyout boom of 2006-2007, they said.
                          Private-equity firms have been hunkered down since the onset of the credit crisis about 16 months ago, scarred by broken deals and frustrated by the evaporation of debt financing crucial to buyouts. The efforts to shore up the credit system may pave a slow road back to deploying the almost $500 billion in uncommitted cash they have raised from pension funds, endowments and foreign governments.
                          ``There's a crying need for capital, and now there's a chance that the government will invest alongside,'' said Rubenstein, the 59-year-old co-founder of Washington-based Carlyle, whose $80 billion in assets rank it second in the buyout industry after Blackstone and ahead of KKR.
                          The three executives were among more than 100 speakers at the three-day Super Return Middle East conference, where about 750 attendees gathered to discuss the industry's future. The region has become increasingly important to large buyout firms as a source of capital, with governments including the United Arab Emirates, Qatar and Kuwait pouring treasury surpluses -- fueled by soaring oil prices earlier this year -- into their funds.
                          A Different World
                          Participants described a buyout world that differs markedly from its peak, when debt-laden deals such as the $43 billion acquisition of power producer TXU Corp. and the $26 billion takeover of Hilton Hotels Corp. brought the once quiet industry into the public spotlight. There have been $194 billion in announced buyouts this year, a decline of 70 percent from the same period in 2007, according to data compiled by Bloomberg.
                          The hiatus has left private-equity firms sitting on a record amount of cash. New York-based Blackstone, founded by Schwarzman and his former Lehman Brothers partner Peter G. Peterson in 1985, last year announced a $21.7 billion buyout fund, still the industry's largest. Blackstone has $113.5 billion in assets.
                          Minority Stakes
                          With those sorts of commitments, private-equity firms need to put that money to work or risk angering investors with returns well below the 20 percent or more they are accustomed to. Buyout firms typically use cash from their funds and debt to take companies private, improve results and sell them three to seven years later.
                          Unable to rely on record-low rates for debt from Wall Street banks, they are now considering more minority transactions.
                          ``Instead of looking to buy high-quality businesses, we're looking at financing high-quality businesses,'' said TPG Inc.'s Philippe Costeletos, who runs the Fort Worth, Texas-based firm's European operations. ``The highly leveraged deals are no longer an option.''
                          The three biggest buyout firms have worked during the LBO freeze to diversify and prepare for a resumption of more normal markets.
                          Schwarzman bought GSO Capital Partners LP in March, paying as much as $930 million for the New York-based hedge-fund manager that focuses on debt securities. The deal made hedge funds Blackstone's biggest business by assets.
                          Real Estate
                          GSO also gives Blackstone an alternative financing source, which it tapped to help fund the $3.5 billion purchase of the Weather Channel with Bain Capital LLC and NBC Universal.
                          ``Private-equity firms do not want to be completely dependent on one business any longer,'' Rubenstein said when the industry gathered in Florida in June.
                          Carlyle has increased its real estate investing, buying a Manhattan building in April for $650 million and raising $3 billion for a U.S. property fund last year.
                          KKR, the 32-year-old firm run by cousins Kravis and George Roberts, is developing a capital-markets business to sell debt for some of its acquisitions. That puts KKR, which is planning to list shares in New York by the year-end, in direct competition with the Wall Street banks that had funded LBOs.
                          Banking Woes
                          Some of those banks either no longer exist, in the case of Lehman Brothers Holdings Inc. or Bear Stearns Cos., or are hoarding cash to protect their balance sheets. The struggles extend to banks far from Wall Street, which face liquidity problems as they try to shore up deposits and keep lending to small businesses.
                          That's an area where private-equity may be equipped to step in, Rubenstein said.
                          ``Banks in places like Texas, Oklahoma and California -- these are the more attractive opportunities,'' he said.
                          J.C. Flowers & Co., the New York firm run by former Goldman Sachs Group Inc. banker J. Christopher Flowers, last month won approval to buy the First National Bank of Cainesville in Missouri, which has assets of about $14 million. The deal may provide a template for other private-equity firms.
                          Flowers told regulators he may expand the Missouri bank through acquisitions of troubled financial institutions, according to a regulatory filing.
                          Early Setbacks
                          Bets on struggling banks that proved premature may make private-equity firms more skittish. TPG, managed by David Bonderman, lost more than $1.3 billion on Washington Mutual Inc. in less than five months after regulators seized the thrift.
                          Flowers similarly saw the value of his minority stake in Germany's Hypo Real Estate Holding AG plunge after the government was forced to bail the lender out.
                          Those investments came before the latest government actions, which include a pledge by U.S. Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson to invest $125 billion in nine banks. An additional $125 billion may be used to buy preferred shares in other institutions.
                          ``The financial crisis has left the system woefully undercapitalized,'' KKR's Kravis, 64, told the audience in Dubai. His New York-based firm manages $61 billion.
                          ``It will be well beyond the capacity of public markets,'' he said.
                          Restoring Trust
                          Those markets, stoked by fears of a deep U.S. recession, may be among the factors that give Kravis and his cohorts pause. After initially rising on news of the government actions, the Standard & Poor's 500 Index has shed 5.7 percent and is down 36 percent this year.
                          ``Investors have yet to regain their own trust and confidence,'' Kravis said.
                          Schwarzman told the Dubai audience dealing with a slumping economy is manageable and may ultimately be more lucrative for his investors than the buyout boom.
                          ``We'll have a slower economy in some places, a recession and others,'' Schwarzman, 61, said.
                          ``The best returns in private equity have come in a period like the one that we're just entering,'' Schwarzman said. ``This is an absolutely wonderful time.'' [/QUOTE]

                          People generally get very sloppy when they manage 100B+ of OPM, but it is encouraging to see Schwarzman and Buffet in agreement.

                          Once the remaining credit bombs go off(and aftermath is priced in), I'm definitely going long again.
                          Last edited by phirang; October 17, 2008, 07:40 AM.

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                            Re: Advice from Warren Buffett

                            Originally posted by *T* View Post
                            Buffet buys stuff that yields like 10%. Once he's bought he doesn't care if the market drops. Very long term he is probably right. Few of us have pockets that deep or an address book that well-connected to get his deals.
                            Totally agree. I had posted a article on WB's views on stocks performance during periods of high inflation. I am posting it again below:

                            http://www.valueinvesting.de/en/infl...en-buffett.htm

                            A buy signal from another smart investor (IMO):

                            http://www.forbes.com/finance/2008/1...serqa_inl.html

                            Few investors in the market today are as bear-market-seasoned and savvy as Marty Whitman, 84-year-old founder of M.J. Whitman LLC, chairman and founder of Third Avenue Management and portfolio manager of Third Avenue Value Fund. Like Sam Zell, Leon Black and Eddie Lampert, Whitman's roots are in distressed-company investing.
                            Btw, I am invested in his fund (TAVFX).

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                            • #15
                              Watch out, credit crunch starting to hit BRIC firms.

                              Watch orders for airbus, Intel and American heavy machinery fall off the cliff next year.

                              Watch BRIC dumping treasuries as they save their own economies.

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