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  • #31
    Re: New plan to make US savings more negative.

    Originally posted by ASH View Post
    Mine mind is pondering why GTU dropped today, whereas GLD rose...

    ... and whether I should act on recent comments by Phirang ("Iceland II"), GRG55, and Lukester, and seek currency diversification elsewhere than Switzerland...

    ... and whether getting only a one-day bump out of the most recent CB actions is as bearish as I think it is.
    If what the company says is correct, I have to think GTU is safer than GLD; its greatest short-coming is that it is exceedinly thinly traded. http://www.gold-trust.com/asset_value.htm that link shows the GTU premium tonight is 12.7%. CEF's http://www.centralfund.com/Nav%20Form.htm is 13.2%. The "ideal method" that I have gleaned over the years is buy closed end funds at a discount, if that occurs, and sell them at a premium. I would like to own more GTU and CEF, but am not buying them because one is paying more than the value of the assets, and that too may account for there being no spurt in GTU today or days as today.

    Read Hulbert's note now on MarketWatch about insider buying in the equity markets. It portends a rise, but not likely in the immediate future. Were I 30-ish vs. 67 I would spend most of my mental efforts on my work, and not worry a lot about the markets given the time horizon differences between 30 and 67. On the other hand, if you are up for tolerating a little nausea watch the two videos LargoWinch put up on a Roubini interview (which I surmise took place yesterday) earlier today.

    Personally, I think we are in for more deflation, and Roubini thinks that too; six months or so as I recall and 18 months of recession. If that bears out, gold in my opinion will continue to go down and the dollar up against other currencies. I've got ~6% in PM's and shares, and some days I wish I had more and on other days less. I don't think inflation is an intermediate term problem. I don't think the dollar's present up trend is going to be over in days or weeks, more likely months.

    Those are my thoughts, no conclusions; shit, I don't even know what I should best be doing, but it should be something other than taking the ass-kicking I am not enjoying right now.
    Jim 69 y/o

    "...Texans...the lowest form of white man there is." Robert Duvall, as Al Sieber, in "Geronimo." (see "Location" for examples.)

    Dedicated to the idea that all people deserve a chance for a healthy productive life. B&M Gates Fdn.

    Good judgement comes from experience; experience comes from bad judgement. Unknown.

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    • #32
      Re: New plan to make US savings more negative.

      Originally posted by Jim Nickerson View Post
      If what the company says is correct, I have to think GTU is safer than GLD; its greatest short-coming is that it is exceedinly thinly traded. http://www.gold-trust.com/asset_value.htm that link shows the GTU premium tonight is 12.7%. CEF's http://www.centralfund.com/Nav%20Form.htm is 13.2%. The "ideal method" that I have gleaned over the years is buy closed end funds at a discount, if that occurs, and sell them at a premium. I would like to own more GTU and CEF, but am not buying them because one is paying more than the value of the assets, and that too may account for there being no spurt in GTU today or days as today.

      Read Hulbert's note now on MarketWatch about insider buying in the equity markets. It portends a rise, but not likely in the immediate future. Were I 30-ish vs. 67 I would spend most of my mental efforts on my work, and not worry a lot about the markets given the time horizon differences between 30 and 67. On the other hand, if you are up for tolerating a little nausea watch the two videos LargoWinch put up on a Roubini interview (which I surmise took place yesterday) earlier today.

      Personally, I think we are in for more deflation, and Roubini thinks that too; six months or so as I recall and 18 months of recession. If that bears out, gold in my opinion will continue to go down and the dollar up against other currencies. I've got ~6% in PM's and shares, and some days I wish I had more and on other days less. I don't think inflation is an intermediate term problem. I don't think the dollar's present up trend is going to be over in days or weeks, more likely months.

      Those are my thoughts, no conclusions; shit, I don't even know what I should best be doing, but it should be something other than taking the ass-kicking I am not enjoying right now.
      Thanks for the thoughts. The scenario you outline seems plausible. My own crystal ball is pretty fuzzy right now, so I'm just going to sit pat until it clears up a bit.

      Oddly enough, at 33, thinking about this stuff is actually recreation. I think the difference between recreation and mental effort is, as you point out, the fact that getting the right answer would be nice, but not essential.

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      • #33
        Re: New plan to make US savings more negative.

        The maths on saving $10 per year for 10 years in an environment of receiving say 4% interest, paying 40% marginal tax rate in a 10% per year average inflationary environment is instructive.
        If you do that you are a bit inclined to feel like an idiot for saving!

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        • #34
          Re: New plan to make US savings more negative.

          Originally posted by The Outback Oracle View Post
          The maths on saving $10 per year for 10 years in an environment of receiving say 4% interest, paying 40% marginal tax rate in a 10% per year average inflationary environment is instructive.
          If you do that you are a bit inclined to feel like an idiot for saving!
          In my opinion regardless of how you feel: idiot or otherwise, assuming you expect to stay alive, and almost assuredly being alive includes rainy days, the ONLY way honest people can have more money in the future is to save some of what they earn or inherit. If you have a single dollar and everyone else around doesn't, assuming they don't kill you for it, you are better off than they.

          Most people (and all wise people) can save money, those that don't just use all sorts of excuses not to do so.

          You and I, Oracle, are not going to change how the other thinks about this. Fine with me, you spend yours; I'll continue to save some of mine.
          Jim 69 y/o

          "...Texans...the lowest form of white man there is." Robert Duvall, as Al Sieber, in "Geronimo." (see "Location" for examples.)

          Dedicated to the idea that all people deserve a chance for a healthy productive life. B&M Gates Fdn.

          Good judgement comes from experience; experience comes from bad judgement. Unknown.

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          • #35
            Re: New plan to make US savings more negative.

            Jim...my 'bit of an idiot' was a humourous jibe at myself. Farming was a tough game...particularly running sheep during my time as a 'wet behind the ears' Agricultural Economist in arid zone Queensland. There was a real depression in eh wool industry on at the time combined with droughts and life was a bit desperate for many. An old grazier quoted me "It's easy to make money; Just spend less than you earn"
            The quote is actually attributable to some famous American, whose identity escapes me for the moment.
            Anyway it stuck with me. Business has taken me down a few debt roads but in my personal life that has been my guiding principle. (and has left me with a bit of principal )

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            • #36
              Re: New plan to make US savings more negative.

              Originally posted by The Outback Oracle View Post
              Jim...my 'bit of an idiot' was a humourous jibe at myself. Farming was a tough game...particularly running sheep during my time as a 'wet behind the ears' Agricultural Economist in arid zone Queensland. There was a real depression in eh wool industry on at the time combined with droughts and life was a bit desperate for many. An old grazier quoted me "It's easy to make money; Just spend less than you earn"
              The quote is actually attributable to some famous American, whose identity escapes me for the moment.
              Anyway it stuck with me. Business has taken me down a few debt roads but in my personal life that has been my guiding principle. (and has left me with a bit of principal )
              I think you are in Sydney or thereabouts, what is the time there now, or the time of your last post. It's 12:35AM in Texas.
              Jim 69 y/o

              "...Texans...the lowest form of white man there is." Robert Duvall, as Al Sieber, in "Geronimo." (see "Location" for examples.)

              Dedicated to the idea that all people deserve a chance for a healthy productive life. B&M Gates Fdn.

              Good judgement comes from experience; experience comes from bad judgement. Unknown.

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              • #37
                Re: New plan to make US savings more negative.

                Brisbane Jim....3.40 pm here. Sydney has daylight saving so it is 4.40 pm

                12.35 am....I find it dificult to sleep these days if I delve around in here too much late at night!!. And if i read roubini I am too afraid to go to sleep!!!

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                • #38
                  Re: New plan to make US savings more negative.

                  Originally posted by The Outback Oracle View Post
                  Brisbane Jim....3.40 pm here. Sydney has daylight saving so it is 4.40 pm

                  12.35 am....I find it dificult to sleep these days if I delve around in here too much late at night!!. And if i read roubini I am too afraid to go to sleep!!!
                  You like Little Creatures Outback? I dig it!

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                  • #39
                    Re: New plan to make US savings more negative.

                    What is this, the night owl's corner?

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                    • #40
                      Re: New plan to make US savings more negative.

                      Originally posted by Lukester View Post
                      What is this, the night owl's corner?
                      I work night shift, what's your excuse?

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                      • #41
                        Re: New plan to make US savings more negative.

                        Originally posted by tombat1913 View Post
                        I work night shift, what's your excuse?
                        Are you making any power at that plant now?

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                        • #42
                          Re: New plan to make US savings more negative.

                          Originally posted by GRG55 View Post
                          Are you making any power at that plant now?
                          No sir.

                          By the way, is there a Laramie in Canada?

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                          • #43
                            Re: New plan to make US savings more negative.

                            Congress mulls major 401(k) changes


                            “With respect to the 401(k), it appears to be a plan that is not really well-devised for the changes in the market,” Rep. George Miller, D-Calif., said.
                            “We’ve invested $80 billion into subsidizing this activity,” he said, referring to tax breaks allowed for 401(k) contributions and savings.
                            With savings rates going down, “what do we have to start to think about in Congress of whether or not we want to continue and invest that $80 billion for a policy that is not generating what we … say it should?” Mr. Miller said.
                            Reminds me of the old bank robber response "because that's where the money is" Looks like they are out to raid all assets and could be an indicator of the capital and currency controls headed our way.

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                            • #44
                              Re: New plan to make US savings more negative.

                              Originally posted by tastymannatees View Post
                              Congress mulls major 401(k) changes




                              Reminds me of the old bank robber response "because that's where the money is" Looks like they are out to raid all assets and could be an indicator of the capital and currency controls headed our way.
                              This is to buy time until sterilization is complete.

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