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    By: Igor Greenwald, 9:31 AM ET on 10/6/08

    WHERE DID ALL the money go? The same place it came from: the thin air of high finance. All the bailouts, liquidity injections and nationalizations in the world won't bring it back it seems, because it was never there in the first place except as an abstraction -- arbitrary sums derived from a vast private pyramid scheme that happened to rely on lending instead of investment.

    Frazzled governments were once again putting out fires overnight; a guarantee of bank deposits there, urgent talks on divvying up Wachovia here. This didn't stop Asian stocks from plunging 3% to 5%. Europe was looking no better. The global credit contagion was spreading rapidly to the countries and companies most heavily in debt and to the lenders most at risk, from South Korea to Iceland and from Germany's Hypo Real Estate back to Ohio's National City.

    Derivatives guru and vindicated prognosticator of the calamity upon us, Satyajit Das, cheerfully titled his blog post Saturday "End of the Beginning," which in the context of this crisis means we're still some ways off from the beginning of the end. Das borrows some gallows humor from Lily Tomlin to clarify the take-away: "Things are going to get a lot worse before they are going to get worse."

    This morning Das was at it again, citing Springsteen as well as Yeats to get readers of Australia's Business Spectator properly depressed. But the money quote in that piece was a Depression-era explanation of the goings on as offered to Herbert Hooover by his Treasury Secretary: "Liquidate labour, liquidate stocks, liquidate the farmers, liquidate real estate. Purge the rottenness out of the system..."

    Das persuasively argues that we're not there yet, and in fact far from it as the deleveraging and the resulting credit crunch in the financial sector choke the rest of the global economy, requiring more deleveraging still. What's curious is that despite describing the global nature of the problem so well, Das still falls into the camp that sees the crisis as particularly bad news for the U.S. and for the U.S. dollar.

    ...
    http://www.smartmoney.com/blog/index...ry&entryID=759
    Looks like where we are and where the worst will happen is still debatable

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    the Aussie dollar is down almost 10% v USD right now!

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      Originally posted by grapejelly View Post
      the Aussie dollar is down almost 10% v USD right now!
      jim rogers seriously sucks right now...

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        Well, there is not going to be much deflation here in good ole Aus that's sure....import US$FOB prices up 30 - 50 % and a 30% decline in the A$/USD!! I've got that sick feeling in the pit of my stomach.

        As of last weekend, at a Conference of Australian Economists, including the past governor of the Reserve Bank, they were all sanguine!!!!!!!! 'We can run a ridiculously large CAD because we have strong banks' they said. Now these strong banks need to raise half their funds on the wholesale market this year!!!!! And I'll leave the CAD discussion for the moment. But Cheesh...how can a currency keep on going up when it is running a CAD at 6% GDP and has already sold 80% of it's resources to foreign control!!! Not to mention the fact we owe $600 Billion (equivalent) to boot! This is all as a result of running high CAD's continuously for 50 flaming years! (One year of a small surplus in the early 70's)

        Godalbloodymighty...no wonder we are screwed!!! The only Economist with any brains over here is Steve Keen and he has been running around trying to warn everyone. He is generally farewelled by the media with a laugh as if he is nuts and a "well let's hope that never happens"!!!

        Just you Americans better inflate this thing fast or Aus is headed where it's been headed!!!! Well, we're all headed there anyway. I would just like to happen a little more slowly.

        EJ was right about one thing (and surely not the only one)...events suddenly move so damned fast you CAN'T keep up with them no matter what you think you knew!! And my timing sucks!!!!

        I dunno...fair bloody dinkum...it's enough to drive ya to drink!

        One thing it shows....these cdentral Banks can target a Funds rate all they like. But if the fundamnetals are all haywire, it will cause trouble somewhere else. I guess that is waht I've been trying to say about all the Econonomic B.....t that gets sprouted sometimes. It's a really old fashioned idea. An Economy has to be balanced internally AND externally...savings and borrowings...or in the long run it is going to turn to s..t! Just look at Aus!!!

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          looks like jim rogers is going to lose more money after buying up ASD.

          Will he just be a millionaire after this year is through? :rolleyes:

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            Originally posted by phirang View Post
            looks like jim rogers is going to lose more money after buying up ASD.

            Will he just be a millionaire after this year is through? :rolleyes:
            What's ASD?

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              Originally posted by GRG55 View Post
              What's ASD?
              AUS, i mean, australian dollar.

              This is, of course, a product of deleveraging, but still, i mean, damn! Could he wait till AFTER the carry trade unwound??!

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                Originally posted by phirang View Post
                AUS, i mean, australian dollar.

                This is, of course, a product of deleveraging, but still, i mean, damn! Could he wait till AFTER the carry trade unwound??!
                I don't follow Rogers closely, mostly because he's a media junkie and repeats the same things over and over and over again, but I only recall him being bullish about the Yen, Swissie and Yuan. At least that's what he's mentioned, in a number of interviews, that he holds personally.

                I took my Swissie profits earlier this year because I am convinced that the Swiss Government cannot allow the Swissie to appreciate materially against the Euro, given the banking troubles they are dealing with. The Yen has been, by far, the best performer in my portfolio lo these last few weeks...:cool:

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                  Originally posted by GRG55 View Post
                  I don't follow Rogers closely, mostly because he's a media junkie and repeats the same things over and over and over again, but I only recall him being bullish about the Yen, Swissie and Yuan. At least that's what he's mentioned, in a number of interviews, that he holds personally.

                  I took my Swissie profits earlier this year because I am convinced that the Swiss Government cannot allow the Swissie to appreciate materially against the Euro, given the banking troubles they are dealing with. The Yen has been, by far, the best performer in my portfolio lo these last few weeks...:cool:
                  I bought Yen as my gold hedge which is my dollar hedge... wait, should I just have stayed in dollars?:rolleyes:

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                    Originally posted by phirang View Post
                    I bought Yen as my gold hedge which is my dollar hedge... wait, should I just have stayed in dollars?:rolleyes:
                    Not being able to stomach holding any significant amount of bonars, that's exactly what I did too. Seems to be working fine. So far.

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                      Originally posted by The Outback Oracle View Post

                      I dunno...fair bloody dinkum...it's enough to drive ya to drink!
                      Don't worry Aus, so long as ya have someone to drive ya home after drinkin, it will all be OK.

                      Seems a toss up between you guys and us kiwis as to who will win the race to the bottom. We have a head start and we are closer to Antarctica than you are :confused:

                      Cheers

                      n don't worry, the sun will rise again, hopefully in the east and not the west cause they are stuffed lmao

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                        no, kiwis are totally fuckd, since they dont have a reserve currency.

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                          Well phirang...there's a lot of Japs are going to be burned so badly this time they will never come back as well. Most of the loans were written in A$...so to that extent we are a bit like you in the US...except...as i say....I doubt they will repeat the process anytime in the near future.
                          And that leaves us one hell of a problem with our CAD!! Louie...let me know when some of those houses around Whangaroa get really cheap!
                          Cheers

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                            Aus interest rates down 1%!!!! Dollar goes up from .708 to 72.93 on announcement....RBA buying Aus dollars!!!

                            A bit of coordination with US Central Bank????

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