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    For anyone out their holding energy and mining stocks I think this is a must read:

    http://jessescrossroadscafe.blogspot...-new-york.html

    Note: the original source for the info is a Financial Times piece linked in the article.

    My favourite part: "Its like setting a fire in a crowded theatre after having charged high admission prices for a musical production that did not exist, and then having thugs at all the exits to charge even stiffer fees to leave the building."

    Some key quotes:

    According to this report Goldman Sachs is disclosing the most largely held positions of some hedge funds and distributing the list to others with the objective of fomenting a group effort in shorting them, artificially driving down the price, creating more forced redemptions and losses for the fund investors.

    Can you imagine if some other company was doing that? With the financial stocks?

    Think the elimination of the uptick rule and the widespread toleration of naked shorting is an accident?

    The second point of interest is the targeting of specific sectors such as emerging markets, mining, and energy stocks.

    What this will accomplish, beside the obvious short term racketeering, is to exaggerate the downward move in some prior favorites, setting up some potentially lucrative short covering rallies when the stocks reach ridiculous valuations on the forced selling and targeted shorting, after the trading banks cover their shorts and buy in for pennies on the dollar.

    And don't think for a minute that Goldman and their ilk does not have a 'most shorted' list that it is circulating around to its own select group of traders to target those buys.

    We still wonder if some of the Wall Street banks are using their privileged information to short squeeze the European banks who they loaded up with fraudulent debt and are now in dire need of short term dollar liquidity. This is a classic rip-their-face-off after you kick them maneuver.

    Its like setting a fire in a crowded theatre after having charged high admission prices for a musical production that did not exist, and then having thugs at all the exits to charge even stiffer fees to leave the building.

    And watch to see who benefits the most from this bailout plan and what they do with your money."

    What's the take-away? I am a bit disappointed in myself that I didn't recognise that "value" can be overrun by market dynamics (liquidity) to the extent it has. There's actually some risk left in a company trading at roughly one times projected earnings. Whocouldanode? Do you sell it? Its hard to come up with a reason why you would? Except that it'll probably go lower LOL.

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    Re: Mining & Energy in their Sights

    Great argument for not being a trader and being an investor instead. You trump the full brunt of all of Goldman's cleverness using their "secret insider list", merely by refusing to play ball. Sorry, can't come and play ball with you today guys - I'm not selling! Result: the Goldman insider client is stumped because you refuse to be the counterparty to the trading hustle, while you merely engage in a leisurely wait for the decade's trend to catch up to your idea.

    And with regard to "refusing to play ball" with these guys, we might note, that if it comes down to "is petroleum a decent bullish bet for the next ten years, so i can simply wait and sell profitably later" anyone still hesitant about that could be described as being mired in a "somewhat of a fog".

    If Goldman is into playing such games they must be absolutely fearless of ever having to face a racketeering charge. Do they distribute their red hot shorting list on rice paper maybe, which the trader is instructed to eat, "on pain of death" to ensure the racketeering remains untraceable? :rolleyes:

    Due to this Enronesque potential tomfoolery for a brokerage which can make billions on straight arbitrage regardless, I'd maintain at least a small grain of skepticism about the report, although I certainly would not put it past their avarice. It is the petty criminal stupidity quotient (Goldman trader can't see his strategic wealth prospects much past the end of his nose sort of thing) which I would hesitate about, before accepting this report without question.

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    • #3
      Re: Mining & Energy in their Sights

      Originally posted by oddlots View Post
      For anyone out their holding energy and mining stocks I think this is a must read:

      http://jessescrossroadscafe.blogspot...-new-york.html

      Note: the original source for the info is a Financial Times piece linked in the article.

      My favourite part: "Its like setting a fire in a crowded theatre after having charged high admission prices for a musical production that did not exist, and then having thugs at all the exits to charge even stiffer fees to leave the building."




      According to this report Goldman Sachs is disclosing the most largely held positions of some hedge funds and distributing the list to others with the objective of fomenting a group effort in shorting them, artificially driving down the price, creating more forced redemptions and losses for the fund investors.

      Can you imagine if some other company was doing that? With the financial stocks?
      This is called playing good-fund/band-fund



      What this will accomplish, beside the obvious short term racketeering, is to exaggerate the downward move in some prior favorites, setting up some potentially lucrative short covering rallies when the stocks reach ridiculous valuations on the forced selling and targeted shorting, after the trading banks cover their shorts and buy in for pennies on the dollar.
      He forgot to add the CDS game involved in shorting


      We still wonder if some of the Wall Street banks are using their privileged information to short squeeze the European banks who they loaded up with fraudulent debt and are now in dire need of short term dollar liquidity. This is a classic rip-their-face-off after you kick them maneuver.
      Do they still wonder ????

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      • #4
        Re: Mining & Energy in their Sights

        I know there are more Lehman CDS holders than there are lehman bonds!!!

        It's the same deal, and that's why there's such a divergence between the underlying commodity prices and equities for miners/energy.

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