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    FRED, EJ for all that is holy, leave this defense of the republic up on the front page section.

    Rest of you, please do SOMETHING. The only thing I could do was write my elected representatives and my mom and everyone else I could think of. It's not much, but it is not nothing. 100,000 not nothings make SOMETHING.

    So please do SOMETHING and write you elected representatives and everyone you know and have them write their representatives.

    (If you do, please post a follow-up so that this thread does not die)

    Here is what I wrote to mine:

    THIS BANKING BAILOUT IS A FARCE and a CRIME!!! I want to VOICE THE STRONGEST OBJECTION I CAN POSSIBLY MAKE!! This program steals from the poor to bailout the rich.


    "Debt peonage for every American man, woman, child and many future generations is being planned by the W. Bush regime without sufficient taxation of the wealth and oversight of the institutions and individuals responsible for the crisis. A huge amount of wealth is being taken out of the economy by the very richest, leaving nothing for the rest of society and impoverishing it for decades."


    September 21, 2008

    "A PIG WITHOUT LIPSTICK.... I've been trying to find a credible voice on fiscal matters that believes the Bush administration's bailout is a good idea, and should be approved by Congress without alteration. I can't find one.

    The plan seems to suffer more as the scrutiny grows more intense, but I'd go with the accountability/oversight problem as the most glaring.

    The Bush administration sought unchecked power from Congress to buy $700 billion in bad mortgage investments from financial companies in what would be an unprecedented government intrusion into the markets.

    Through his plan, Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson aims to avert a credit freeze that would bring the financial system and the world's largest economy to a standstill. The bill would prevent courts from reviewing actions taken under its authority.

    "He's asking for a huge amount of power," said Nouriel Roubini, an economist at New York University. "He's saying, 'Trust me, I'm going to do it right if you give me absolute control.' This is not a monarchy."

    Atrios, after noting the $700 billion price tag, highlights this portion of the proposal: "Decisions by the Secretary pursuant to the authority of this Act are non-reviewable and committed to agency discretion, and may not be reviewed by any court of law or any administrative agency."

    If we were dealing with a competent, capable administration, which had proven itself reliable in dealing with fiscal and budgetary policy, it would still be an extraordinary gamble to turn over hundreds of billions of dollars with no strings at all. But we're dealing with the Bush administration, which hasn't exactly earned the benefit of the doubt.

    I can understand the underlying point here. Companies showed some spectacularly bad judgment and bought up some ugly mortgages. To keep those companies from imploding, Paulson wants to use our money to take those mortgages off their hands. If the administration had a plan to buy them up for a song, the approach need not be completely ridiculous, though Paulson has not yet so much as hinted about pricing, or how, exactly, his plan might actually work in practice.

    But that's why some safeguards -- you know, checks and balances -- seems like it might be helpful in a case like this. As the plan is currently written, not only will oversight be discouraged, it'll be impossible, by design. Congress is supposed to hand over in upwards of a trillion dollars to Bush's economic team, and then voluntarily forfeit the right to oversee how the money is spent.

    If there's a good reason to establish this kind of process, it's hiding well."
    Last edited by jtabeb; September 22, 2008, 01:19 AM. Reason: add

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    Re: A call to ARMS! Write your elected officials.

    The links to send notes to senate & congress.

    http://www.senate.gov/general/contac...nators_cfm.cfm

    https://forms.house.gov/wyr/welcome.shtml

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    • #3
      Re: A call to ARMS! Write your elected officials.

      This is what I wrote in response to a question I received on this subject.

      Re: ``We are literally maybe days away from a complete meltdown of our financial system,'' NYTimes

      Quote:
      Originally Posted by Nervous Drake

      Does it not scare you enough to shat your pants to think what the world would look like if we just gutted the financial system and hit the reset button?


      No, not for an instant. And here is why, this contrived failure (it's a real failure mind you, but one that I believe was nurtured, planned, allowed, I'm not sure what the correct description is) was destined to do one thing.

      Force People to make a choice, it's that simple.

      The choice is between Freedom (literally, look at the connection between debt slavery and all other wonderful sorts of social ills) and Fear.

      The people who stand to benefit from this action harnessed the two strongest forces in the world human GREED (to get people to put the noose around their neck VOLUNTARILY) and human FEAR (to get people to do what ever some powerful person says is "required" so that they feel safe).

      People like safety and regularity and stability and the quickest way history has shown us to circumvent people's own conscious desires and rational will is to go back to the primordial and force them to use their medulla oblongata against themselves.

      No rational persons chooses slavery of one's self. No rational person chooses Fascism (unless one is a beneficiary). Maslow's hierarchy of needs proves this. It was the first thing I learned in Survival/Resistance training in the military. The enemy (captor, torturer, banker, what have you) tries to "pull the rug out" from you, thereby disrupting your equilibrium. Then you are easier prey because you are REACTING TO INSTINCT not THINKING. Their success depends on you becoming dependent on them for every basic need that you have. And they will try to exploit this to the maximal extent possible. Eventually one of two things happens. You break, or they break.


      "How can that be?", you ask. It's quite simple really. Even thought they can kill, torture, and starve you, the prision is only successful if YOU choose to accept the illusion of reality that they create around you. No one can be FORCED to accept this, yes no matter what. People have to will it upon them selves. (Don't believe me, ask John McCain, Despite what I think about him as a potential commander in chief, he did not make the choice to give up). You loose battles, even the toughest do, but it's the war that you have to win. And the winning or loosing of the war is based on one thing, Individual Choice, that's it.

      Am I scared because people don't seem to react, understand, or care? No, because they have been LIED to. The people that I've been able to talk to explain the present situation, don't act scared either. They get FREAKING PISSED_OFF! Which is EXACTLY the reaction a rational person would have.

      Am I scared because there are no good solutions to fix the predicament that we are in? No because there ARE MANY solutions as to how this could work out for the better. ( I'll give you as many as you like but that is a different post).

      Am I scared because we don't have the technical capabilities to overcome the challenges of resource depletion? No, because the capabilities we possess at this present day are sufficient to meet this challenge. (Again, I'll give you as many as you would like , but that is a different post).

      Am I scared because I will be broke and poor and won't be able to provide for my family? No, because society is not supposed to ignore the helpless and punish the weak and because I have food and water and guns and gold and silver and a brain that works remarkably well, thank god. (As do you by asking this question).

      Am I scared that it will be painful, that people will be hurt, that bad things will happen, that there will be fear? No, because I see the potential of what lies at the end of this process vs. what WILL happen if nothing changes.

      Am I scared when I accept that there will be pain and hurt and bad things, as a father of three and a husband and a friend who cares about the lives of many? No, because I see what their lives WOULD be LIKE IF THIS change does not to occur.

      Am I scared that people won't act when the truth stares them in the face? Am I scared that people won't do the right thing?
      Am I scared that people won't be able to do anything about it, or enough about it?
      Am I scared about the potential for bad things to happen to me and the ones I care about?
      Am I scared that the world would not be a better place because of this change?
      Am I scared that I am not ready for the world to change in this way?
      Am I scared that people won't choose for them selves what is best (Free or Not free. We are, we exist, that is fact. What will we be, that is the only question.)

      Am I scared that I can't make this choice?

      No, because I've made my choice. I choose to Live. I do not choose to FEAR!

      V/R
      JT

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      • #4
        Re: A call to ARMS! Write your elected officials.

        that was darn good. Each individual has to make their choice; don't let Hank make it for you; you know he doesn't have your interests at heart. Ron Paul and Dennis Kucinich seem to me to be some great politicians worthy of support. They are out there, give one of them the support they need.

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        • #5
          Re: A call to ARMS! Write your elected officials.

          I did send a note to my senators and representative yesterday. I asked them not to vote for the Treasury plan as offerred, and informed them that there were other alternatives out there that should be considered.

          Like you said, one note doesn't mean much, but if 10,000 people write in, it will make a difference.

          - Pete

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            Re: A call to ARMS! Write your elected officials.

            I mailed a bullet and a dollar bill to each one and wrote "your choice"....

            lol just kidding i don't have the gonads or the crazies to do that but it would have been funny

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              Re: A call to ARMS! Write your elected officials.

              The irony is, the freedom to "protest" in America exist only because they will put you at odds with a well-financed and well-armed bureaucracy with a steady paycheck from their masters.


              America wouldn't change unless there was a sort of "mahdi", but being so hetereogenuous, that'll never happen!

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                Re: A call to ARMS! Write your elected officials.

                Originally posted by RebbePete View Post
                I did send a note to my senators and representative yesterday. I asked them not to vote for the Treasury plan as offerred, and informed them that there were other alternatives out there that should be considered.

                Like you said, one note doesn't mean much, but if 10,000 people write in, it will make a difference.

                - Pete
                Pete,

                Please inform me of the other proposals that are out there. I don't want to to write my congresspeople without offering an alternative solution. Thanks.

                Jimmy

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                • #9
                  Re: A call to ARMS! Write your elected officials.

                  Originally posted by jimmygu3 View Post
                  Pete,

                  Please inform me of the other proposals that are out there. I don't want to to write my congresspeople without offering an alternative solution. Thanks.

                  Jimmy
                  Jimmy, I posted yesterday a piece from WSJ that offered alternatives and a piece from Hussman last night (Sunday). I think some commenters disagreed with points of both, but I believer certainly there are alternatives. Don't spend too much time coming up with alternatives, because there is no way all emails get read, or were they to, they won't make it to whoever might be the brain behind a vote.
                  Last edited by Jim Nickerson; September 22, 2008, 10:58 AM.
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                    Re: A call to ARMS! Write your elected officials.

                    Originally posted by Jim Nickerson View Post
                    Jimmy, I posted yesterday a piece from WSJ that offered alternatives and a piece from Hussman last night (Sunday). I think some commenters disagreed with points of both, but I believer certainly there are alternatives. Don't spend too much time coming up with alternatives, because there is no way all emails get read, or were they too, they won't make it to whoever might be the brain behind a vote.
                    Thanks, Jim. As frustrated as I get with congress, I am always mindful to be as courteous as possible when writing to them. They may not read every one, but if they do happen to read mine I don't want it to be dismissed as the rant of a radical. I also want to stay off the "naughty list". :eek:

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                    • #11
                      Re: A call to ARMS! Write your elected officials.

                      Here's an alternative proposal put forward by Robert Reich:

                      http://robertreich.blogspot.com/
                      Sunday, September 21, 2008

                      What Wall Street Should Be Required to Do, to Get A Blank Check From Taxpayers

                      The frame has been set, the dye cast. Treasury Secretary Hank Paulson, presumably representing the Bush administration but indirectly representing Wall Street, and Fed Chief Ben Bernanke, want a blank check from Congress for $700 billion or possibly a trillion dollars or more to take bad debt off Wall Street’s balance sheets. Never before in the history of American capitalism has so much been asked of so many for (at least in the first instance) so few.

                      Put yourself in the shoes of a member of Congress, including our two presidential candidates. The Treasury Secretary and Fed Chair have told you this is necessary to save the economy. If you don’t agree, you risk a meltdown of the entire global financial system. Your own constituents’ savings could go down with it. An election is six weeks away. Besides, in the last two days of trading, since rumors spread that the Treasury and the Fed were planning something of this sort, stock prices revived.

                      Now – quick -- what do you do? You have no choice but to say yes.

                      But you might also set some conditions on Wall Street.

                      The public doesn’t like a blank check. They think this whole bailout idea is nuts. They see fat cats on Wall Street who have raked in zillions for years, now extorting in effect $2,000 to $5,000 from every American family to make up for their own nonfeasance, malfeasance, greed, and just plain stupidity. Wall Street’s request for a blank check comes at the same time most of the public is worried about their jobs and declining wages, and having enough money to pay for gas and food and health insurance, meet their car payments and mortgage payments, and save for their retirement and childrens’ college education. And so the public is asking: Why should Wall Street get bailed out by me when I’m getting screwed?

                      So if you are a member of Congress, you just might be in a position to demand from Wall Street certain conditions in return for the blank check.

                      My five nominees:

                      1. The government (i.e. taxpayers) gets an equity stake in every Wall Street financial company proportional to the amount of bad debt that company shoves onto the public. So when and if Wall Street shares rise, taxpayers are rewarded for accepting so much risk.

                      2. Wall Street executives and directors of Wall Street firms relinquish their current stock options and this year’s other forms of compensation, and agree to future compensation linked to a rolling five-year average of firm profitability. Why should taxpayers feather their already amply-feathered nests?

                      3. All Wall Street executives immediately cease making campaign contributions to any candidate for public office in this election cycle or next, all Wall Street PACs be closed, and Wall Street lobbyists curtail their activities unless specifically asked for information by policymakers. Why should taxpayers finance Wall Street’s outsized political power – especially when that power is being exercised to get favorable terms from taxpayers?

                      4. Wall Street firms agree to comply with new regulations over disclosure, capital requirements, conflicts of interest, and market manipulation. The regulations will emerge in ninety days from a bi-partisan working group, to be convened immediately. After all, inadequate regulation and lack of oversight got us into this mess.

                      5. Wall Street agrees to give bankruptcy judges the authority to modify the terms of primary mortgages, so homeowners have a fighting chance to keep their homes. Why should distressed homeowners lose their homes when Wall Streeters receive taxpayer money that helps them keep their fancy ones?

                      Wall Streeters may not like these conditions. Well, you should tell them that the public doesn’t like the idea of bailing out Wall Street. So if Wall Street doesn’t accept these conditions, it doesn’t get the blank check.

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                      • #12
                        Re: A call to ARMS! Write your elected officials.

                        I wrote both of mine. We should find out today how much freedom they sacrificed.

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                        • #13
                          Re: A call to ARMS! Write your elected officials.

                          Originally posted by jimmygu3 View Post
                          Thanks, Jim. As frustrated as I get with congress, I am always mindful to be as courteous as possible when writing to them. They may not read every one, but if they do happen to read mine I don't want it to be dismissed as the rant of a radical. I also want to stay off the "naughty list". :eek:
                          they should fear us...not the other way around. but i agree with your professionalism.

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                            Re: A call to ARMS! Write your elected officials.

                            Originally posted by sn1p3r View Post
                            they should fear us...not the other way around. but i agree with your professionalism.
                            That's a nice sentiment, but face it: right to bear arms or not, the US Government will never fear its citizens. The technology and power at their disposal dwarfs anything an individual might have. Politicians fear getting voted out, corporations fear losing customers & profits, but Uncle Sam ain't afraid of nobody (private citizens, that is).

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                            • #15
                              Re: A call to ARMS! Write your elected officials.

                              Thanks, Jim. I might even have used one of your links in my note. There have been plenty of alternatives batted around iTulip the last few days.

                              - Pete

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