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  • #16
    I want to check my fact/reasoning...

    I've written down a summary of how I understand these bailouts to work, and I'd like someone to tell me if I have my facts wrong. I'm trying to explicitly write out the steps that lead from government bailout to high inflation, so that I can clearly describe what's going on to some friends.
    1. Creditors (holders of bonds) are getting bailed out directly by the government, which is assuming responsibility to pay out on the debt which failed issuers would otherwise default upon. However, the owners of the failed issuers (shareholders in banks and government-sponsored entities) are getting wiped out. Private consumer debt is not yet being bailed out directly, although there is talk.

    2. Institutional debtors (issuers of commercial debt) are being allowed to borrow treasuries from the Fed using their illiquid debt-based assets as collateral. Technically these are supposed to be short-term loans, but so far in practice the loans are allowed to roll over indefinitely. The net effect is to exchange illiquid (and likely junky) assets for treasuries, which has the effect of recapitalizing the banks and reducing the risk of their failure.

    3. The new plan is basically to formalize #2 with a larger, and more permanent arrangement. Rather than maintaining the form of short-term loans, we are talking about permanent sale of the junky assets for "sound" treasuries.

    Ultimately the bailout must be funded by the issue of new treasuries, which will create a large amount of new money ex nihilo, as follows:
    A. Treasuries are issued by the government directly to banks to pay for the purchase of their illiquid assets, or are issued to cover the general budget deficit.

    B. The FOMC buys the treasuries in open market operations from various dealers (to keep the target overnight rate low).

    C. The Fed pays for the treasuries with an electronic check drawn on itself -- this means that the dealer gets a deposit credited in their bank account, and the dealer's bank gets credited with reserves at the Fed. Now both the dealer and the bank have funds equal to the value of the treasuries, but since the dealer gave up the treasuries in exchange for their funds, we're really only up by the bank's additional reserves at this point.

    D. Thanks to fractional reserve banking, the additional reserves are amplified many times over in the creation of new credit, which the banks issue against their reserves to generate interest income.

    A large growth in the money supply means inflation.

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    • #17
      Re: FED/Treasury to create Temp Clearing house LITE

      .."Treasuries are issued by the government"...

      The bond market will rule the world, if interest rates rise in this environment watch out. Keep an eye on Bankrate.com 30 yr mortgage fixed rate.

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      • #18
        Re: FED/Treasury to create Temp Clearing house LITE

        http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?p...NwA&refer=home

        Bill Poole is NOT impressed!
        Mike

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        • #19
          Re: FED/Treasury to create Temp Clearing house LITE

          Originally posted by olivegreen View Post
          Now for some reason my feeble mind wants to understand this, so forgive me here as I'm really only just learning things. As I understand this, the government is creating an entity which will buy "garbage stuff assets" from troubled banks at say $30. The troubled banks will take a hit for no longer having these "garbage stuff assets" but will be free of them on their books, (probably meaning they can get upgraded as wonderfully safe places by rating agencies that have failed miserably to judge such things already.) Then... this new entity takes the $30 assets and puts them out to auction. Now if they only make $10, they are then putting the taxpayer on the hook for the $20 loss? If they make $40 who gets the profit? This is provided they can find buyers? And if I'm reading this correctly as per Tulpen, the likely buyers will be other banks who will have sold it for $30 originally and bought it back at $10...

          Now... they are banning temporarily something called short-selling... As I understand it, shortselling is loosely (in my head) defined as betting (and hopefully profiting) that something will go down in value... apparently a very unpatriotic thing to do...

          Now... tell me, how is what this new entity is doing for the banks any different really than short-selling by the banks? And how in hell is a tax-payer supposed to accept this as some kind of solution? And where is all this money to create all these things coming from?

          I'm very confused...

          OG

          Olive I think you are in serious trouble and you must stop this!!! Because of a person in my life who had a mental problem, a book was recommended to me entitled "The meaning of madness"...yes i was in love with a nutcase!
          Now the first line in the book was "there is no meaning to madness". Apparerntly it is a characteristic of a rational mind that it naturally obsesses over things that make no sense until it can make sense of it. So if there is no sense you just keep going over and over the same thing...over and over the same thing...over an...whoops sorry!
          You're in trouble!!!

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          • #20
            Re: FED/Treasury to create Temp Clearing house LITE

            The 30 yr bonds market latest rally was not chased by the large and commercial speculators (note: data for last 2 days will not be in this chart). As they expect higher interest rates for 30 yr. Funny that , mortgages are going up....Printing press cant keep consumer mortgage rates down...
            Bonds_SELL.jpg

            This is correct... who will set the price and amount, and if the initial amount is too large how political will this be !

            William Poole, who retired in March as president of the St. Louis Fed, said he's ``skeptical on all counts.''
            ``I'm afraid that we've got a grand idea that when we start to actually write it down on paper, how it's going to work, we're going to find one stumbling block after another,'' Poole, 71, a Bloomberg contributor, said in an interview with Bloomberg Television.

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            • #21
              Re: FED/Treasury to create Temp Clearing house LITE

              Originally posted by icm63 View Post
              The 30 yr bonds market latest rally was not chased by the large and commercial speculators (note: data for last 2 days will not be in this chart). As they expect higher interest rates for 30 yr. Funny that , mortgages are going up....Printing press cant keep consumer mortgage rates down...
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              This is correct... who will set the price and amount, and if the initial amount is too large how political will this be !
              so a rate cut is in order...

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              • #22
                Re: FED/Treasury to create Temp Clearing house LITE

                I think you need to catch up on your reading...
                http://www.itulip.com/forums/showthr...8133#post48133

                Anyways even if they did a rate cut it would just steepen the yield curve an have no effect !!!

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                • #23
                  Re: FED/Treasury to create Temp Clearing house LITE

                  Originally posted by icm63 View Post
                  I think you need to catch up on your reading...
                  http://www.itulip.com/forums/showthr...8133#post48133

                  Anyways even if they did a rate cut it would just steepen the yield curve an have no effect !!!
                  doesn't steepening the yield curve make banks more profitable???

                  1) gov refi's banks ( paid for with some concession to SWF's etc)
                  2) banks lend, cheap
                  3) reflate and repeat

                  This reminds me more and more of the antics of economic hitman: creditor nations are lending us impossible debts, we can't pay, and so in exchange for more debt for the status quo to persist, we concede hard assets, IP, and sovereignty.

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                  • #24
                    Re: FED/Treasury to create Temp Clearing house LITE

                    No effect for JOE the consumer, ok for banks. But the consumer is where is fix is required.

                    Rate001.jpg

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                    • #25
                      Re: FED/Treasury to create Temp Clearing house LITE

                      Originally posted by icm63 View Post
                      No effect for JOE the consumer, ok for banks. But the consumer is where is fix is required.
                      new credit will be issued: consumer debt, not just ABS', will be accepted by the "bad bank".

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                      • #26
                        Re: FED/Treasury to create Temp Clearing house LITE

                        I suggest you listen to this audio from Bob Hoye

                        Audio is 18.50 minutes long, he covers the long bond about 10.45 minutes into the radio show.

                        http://howestreet.com/audiovideo/

                        Market Rallies, Shorts Sweat, Gold Pops *AUDIO*
                        Bob Hoye
                        September 19

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