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  • Oil market collapse waiting to happen

    Wow: this is "interesting." :eek:


    Sep 19, 2008


    SPEAKING FREELY
    Oil market collapse waiting to happen
    By Chris Cook

    Speaking Freely is an Asia Times Online feature that allows guest writers to have their say. Please click here if you are interested in contributing.

    After a phenomenal "spike" in oil prices to US$147 per barrel, the price has declined to just over $90. In the US this led to a "spike" to $4 per gallon of gasoline and placed energy prices right at the top of the US political agenda. Moreover, this political interest rapidly crossed the Atlantic since British trading of US contracts was believed to be instrumental in a speculative oil market price "bubble".

    In view of my background in energy markets - I was for several years director of compliance and market supervision at the
    International Petroleum Exchange (which is now ICE Futures Europe) - I was asked recently by the British parliament's Treasury Select Committee to give evidence to them in relation to regulation of oil markets. Such an inquiry is a new direction for the committee, and following this initial hearing they decided to commence a full-blown Inquiry - in the finest US tradition - in October.

    I told the committee - and their subsequent initial questioning that day of British regulators implied that my message was understood - that to follow the US approach to regulation of oil futures markets would be to try and solve today's problems with yesterday's tools.

    The New York Mercantile Exchange (NYMEX) West Texas Intermediate (WTI) crude oil market price has become almost entirely irrelevant in the real world of physical and forward oil trading, which largely takes place, believe it or not, in Yahoo chat rooms. While NYMEX members still provide a massive pool of trading capital or "liquidity", the inconvenient truth is that oil market pricing power has moved across the Atlantic to the price of North Sea crude oil.

    Brent benchmark
    The price of North Sea (Brent) crude oil is now the direct benchmark for over 60% of global crude oil pricing, and, through the mechanism of massive "arbitrage" trading between Brent and WTI, it also constitutes an indirect benchmark for most of the other 40%.

    Most people - including virtually all mainstream press reporters - believe that it is the price of futures contracts that is used as a benchmark. In fact, it is the reported "spot" market price of "dated" Brent/BFOE (see below) cargo transactions that constitutes the direct and indirect benchmark for most global oil transactions. The massively traded ICE Futures Europe Brent/BFOE Crude Oil contract is merely a financial bet on these underlying prices, and these financial contracts are settled in cash, not oil.

    For many years, the production of the Brent oil field has been in decline, and the production of other North Sea oil fields has therefore been amalgamated with it to ensure a sufficient number of transactions to give a credible benchmark price.

    We now see four fields - Brent, Forties, Oseberg and Ekofisk ("BFOE") - together supplying the BFOE "Brent" contract whereby 600,000 barrel "cargoes" of these qualities of oil may be bought and sold forward for eventual physical delivery.

    The problem is that even this extended North Sea BFOE production is still only running at less than 70 cargoes per month, which is a total monthly production of little more than 40 million barrels. Even at $150 per barrel that represents a value of only $6 billion, and at current prices less than $4 billion.

    Sitting on this base of physical trading is an off-exchange complex of price risk consisting of the simple forward BFOE contracts themselves, a host of derivative contracts, and an increasing number of "structured finance" transactions. It is estimated that in total, some $260 billion was recently invested in oil markets one way and another, and this pool of funds was superimposed as an inverted pyramid of risk on this relatively tiny base of physical crude oil.

    Could these transactions have been instrumental in causing an oil market speculative bubble?

    The answer is obvious: of course they could, and in all likelihood, they did. Unfortunately, because the transactions directly affecting the BFOE price took place off-exchange, not only does no regulator know, but none is in a position to know. Worse than that, even if regulators did know, there are no agreed market regulatory standards to enforce, and any offenders are for the most part smugly immune from enforcement action in offshore jurisdictions in any case.

    Don't shoot the piano player
    As I pointed out to the Treasury select committee, to blame national regulators, such as the FSA in Britain and CFTC in the US, for problems of a global marketplace does not help, other than in providing a useful scapegoat. This is because the problem lies both in the global scope of the market and in its conflicted structure, where the interests of trading intermediaries or middlemen are diametrically opposed to those of end-user producers and consumers of oil and oil products.

    In the absence of a new approach to market structure we will inevitably see repeats of the recent spike in oil prices as waves of hot money swill in and out of the market. In my opinion, that will inevitably lead, sooner rather than later, to a market meltdown - similar to the literally overnight collapse of the tin market in 1985 from $800 to $400 per tonne.

    The conventional wisdom is that the "central counterparty" clearing houses of futures exchanges, which guarantee the performance of transactions, backed by a pool of capital and margin, are a strength of these markets.

    In my view, they also constitute a single point of failure, where oil price risk is concentrated in exactly the same way that Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac were massively exposed to house price risk.

    I made a presentation a couple of years ago in Lausanne to an audience of high-level security experts at a seminar covering the subject of economic terrorism. This fascinating seminar covered the subject of the susceptibility of global markets and commerce to acts aimed at causing economic destruction, rather than physical destruction and death.

    I pointed out that current levels of gearing and risk, and the concentration of risk in single points of failure, together mean that the only difference between "economic terrorists" and proprietary traders such as hedge funds is motive. The former would destroy a market deliberately: the latter by accident.

    While the oil market survived the recent storm surge of money, the inevitability of future waves of speculative money sweeping into the market, mean that an oil market meltdown is an accident waiting to happen.

    Chris Cook is a former director of the International Petroleum Exchange. He is now a strategic market consultant, entrepreneur and commentator.

    (Copyright 2008 Chris Cook.)

  • #2
    Re: Oil market collapse waiting to happen

    If the oil market melts-down, the Saudis just turn-off the tap. They are the swing-producer.

    The only thing that would cause a prolonged melt-down in oil prices would be constant over-supply caused by cheating in OPEC. Then the Saudis would move in, as they indeed did in the 1980s, and flood the market with oil. This would punish the cheaters.

    With worldwide production of oil barely-steady to down, a repeat of the 1980s reverse oil shock would be unlikely. Sadly, the most likely outcome is a melt-UP in oil prices because the cost of production is going straight-up.

    And the incompetence of central bankers in controlling money supply just makes oil an even better investment now. That means oil is money now, not government goodwill paper.

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    • #3
      Re: Oil market collapse waiting to happen

      Originally posted by KGW View Post
      Wow: this is "interesting." :eek:
      KGW, please stop bringing here such uninformed nonsense. There is no such thing as an Oil Bubble. This subject has been debated in detail over and over again until the correct conclusion had been reached.

      If you want to educate yourself on this subject please read this:

      Originally posted by FRED View Post
      Oil is not a bubble. See: Peak Cheap Oil Diaries: Anatomy of a collapsing government sponsored oil anti-bubble

      • Oil is not “too expensive” now, it was “too cheap” before
      • Global central banks, by inflating the value of the dollar since 1971, distorted the oil market for decades, exaggerating oil demand, and causing over-consumption and rapid depletion
      • Soon after the start of the Iraq War in 2003, markets began to reassert control of oil prices as US political influence waned
      • As the housing and other FIRE Economy asset bubbles markets started to deflate in 2006, markets began to wrest control of the dollar's exchange trade value from the weakened dollar cartel we know as global central banks
      • Now we have too many dollars and not enough oil
      • Ten reasons why oil cannot ever be an asset price bubble
      OR:

      Originally posted by FRED View Post
      First of all, welcome to iTulip. You are asking a question we get often: Is oil a bubble?

      If you define a "bubble" as a big increase in price, then, yes, you can call oil a bubble. But then you'd miss the whole point. That's like saying Moby-Dick is a book about a whale.

      We have been covering asset bubbles here for over ten years. Recommend you read The Next Bubble for a primer.

      No question there is speculative activity in the oil market, and of course prices never go up forever, but inflation in oil prices is fundamentally different from inflation in dot com stocks and home prices. As explained in the article linked to before:
      1. Oil is not a financial asset backed by a security sold by Wall Street
      2. Lack of artificial scarcity created via inflation
      3. Unlike dot coms and houses, oil is the most essential commodity in a developed economy and is without substitutes
      4. Oil price appreciation is not a self-reinforcing price appreciation process, but rather is self-limiting (leads to falling demand)
      5. No new source of credit has been created to finance oil purchases (No oil CDOs)
      6. No government deregulation (No change in government regulatory environment fueled the oil bubble; policy has been a constant)
      7. No new tax incentives (No new tax laws lowering capital gains taxes on oil investing ala 1986 tax relief act)
      8. Lack of enforcement of securities law or other market regulations (No instances of market regulators looking the other way while laws are broken)
      9. No bubble psychology (No "I'm going to get rich in oil" psychology. Every year since 2004 it's "The oil bubble will burst soon.")
      10. Press negativity (The business press has talked down oil prices and investing unlike the dot com and housing bubbles which the business press talked up.

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      • #4
        Re: Oil market collapse waiting to happen

        Originally posted by $#* View Post
        KGW, please stop bringing here such uninformed nonsense. There is no such thing as an Oil Bubble. This subject has been debated in detail over and over again until the correct conclusion had been reached.

        If you want to educate yourself on this subject please read this:



        OR:

        Maybe we should start a movement to get ALL the trading over onto Yahoo chat rooms... :rolleyes:
        "...The New York Mercantile Exchange (NYMEX) West Texas Intermediate (WTI) crude oil market price has become almost entirely irrelevant in the real world of physical and forward oil trading, which largely takes place, believe it or not, in Yahoo chat rooms..."

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        • #5
          Re: Oil market collapse waiting to happen

          $#* is practically hanging off the chandeliers here to express outrage at the non-recognition and editorial dismissal he's obtained for all his efforts to clarify the manipulated oil thesis. To his view the current crash in the oil price is glaring proof of his thesis, while in actuality, it is merely a step on the road to $450 oil out in the mid-part of the next decade. $#* - for goodness sake, give it a rest with your undercurrent of constant indignation at having been eventually dissuaded from carrying your "oil bubble" thread out from here to eternity.

          Your posts evidence a chip on your shoulder that is a mile wide. You are walking around nursing a long lasting grudge for your never ending thread on the oil bubble having finally worn everyone out. Get off it already. This is a steep correction in a massive bull market for oil. The froth that is blowing off is your major theme, but to the petroleum bull market your concern for the manipulative power of the otc markets is a minor theme.

          This is why I for one, object to your thesis and it's mode of delivery. Because you are thrashing, and thrashing and thrashing a point whichis a minor theme to the larger oil market trend. And the constant, artless, leaden footed sarcasm devalues itself until it has no sarcastic value at all. It is artless, flat, endlessly repetitive - like somebody's answering machine tape sent on endless playback loop.

          You posit the "dark pools" have created a bubble in oil. You posit the "dark pools" will engineer a new "power money". You posit the "dark pools" contain the leverage to comandeer the course of any commodity. You are a one-track-thesis guy here. There are much broader global, non-financial events determining the course of all these themes, far broader and deeper running and more intractable than your "dark pools". You are caught in a "pet-theory" trap, where the "dark pools" are like a toll-booth coin slot where we have to drop an acknowledging coin every time we talk about the oil market even in passing.

          Personally, I am worn out by your constant color-by-numbers exercises in sarcasm. Here's a hint - if you want to use sarcasm in a post - put it somewhere just once. When you plaster it in every paragraph you come off sounding merely shrill. And for goodness sake, lighten up on the endless procession of smileys, especially the ones with the quivering grins. We are not in 12th grade any more.

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          • #6
            Re: Oil market collapse waiting to happen

            Dear Supercilious ;), been there done, that. I imagine that if anyone followed those running for safety to the commodity that is oil, it is likely they could get burned as the tide turned, so to speak.

            Oil is a finite resource, it will get more expensive long term. Of course.

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            • #7
              Re: Oil market collapse waiting to happen

              Originally posted by Lukester View Post
              $#* is practically hanging off the chandeliers here to express outrage at the non-recognition and editorial dismissal he's obtained for all his efforts to clarify the manipulated oil thesis. To his view the current crash in the oil price is glaring proof of his thesis, while in actuality, it is merely a step on the road to $450 oil out in the mid-part of the next decade. $#* - for goodness sake, give it a rest with your undercurrent of constant indignation at having been eventually dissuaded from carrying your "oil bubble" thread out from here to eternity.

              Your posts evidence a chip on your shoulder that is a mile wide. You are walking around nursing a long lasting grudge for your never ending thread on the oil bubble having finally worn everyone out. Get off it already. This is a steep correction in a massive bull market for oil. The froth that is blowing off is your major theme, but to the petroleum bull market your concern for the manipulative power of the otc markets is a minor theme.

              This is why I for one, object to your thesis and it's mode of delivery. Because you are thrashing, and thrashing and thrashing a point whichis a minor theme to the larger oil market trend. And the constant, artless, leaden footed sarcasm devalues itself until it has no sarcastic value at all. It is artless, flat, endlessly repetitive - like somebody's answering machine tape sent on endless playback loop.

              You posit the "dark pools" have created a bubble in oil. You posit the "dark pools" will engineer a new "power money". You posit the "dark pools" contain the leverage to comandeer the course of any commodity. You are a one-track-thesis guy here. There are much broader global, non-financial events determining the course of all these themes, far broader and deeper running and more intractable than your "dark pools". You are caught in a "pet-theory" trap, where the "dark pools" are like a toll-booth coin slot where we have to drop an acknowledging coin every time we talk about the oil market even in passing.

              Personally, I am worn out by your constant color-by-numbers exercises in sarcasm. Here's a hint - if you want to use sarcasm in a post - put it somewhere just once. When you plaster it in every paragraph you come off sounding merely shrill. And for goodness sake, lighten up on the endless procession of smileys, especially the ones with the quivering grins. We are not in 12th grade any more.
              Now now, don't bully newer members, even if they're wrong. After all, it was only about a year ago that you were a relative new guy obsessed with converting everyone here to peakoilism, writing voluminous posts and haranguing anyone who wouldn't respond and chastising those who did for failing to carefully address every tiny little point you had laid out. And hey, at length iTulip published an editorial position that seemed to agree at least in broad terms with what you had been shouting all along so... you know, for $#*, maybe hope springs eternal. Of course there was never any official statement acknowledging "ok Lukester, you were right, we were wrong", something about which you clearly still hold a grudge as you complained about it again earlier today. As there are multiple FREDs, I sometimes wonder if there are multiple Lukesters.

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              • #8
                Re: Oil market collapse waiting to happen

                Originally posted by $#* View Post
                KGW, please stop bringing here such uninformed nonsense. There is no such thing as an Oil Bubble. This subject has been debated in detail over and over again until the correct conclusion had been reached.

                If you want to educate yourself on this subject please read this:



                OR:
                How many mile-wide bullet holes does that top ten list have now? I've lost count.

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                • #9
                  Re: Oil market collapse waiting to happen

                  Originally posted by zoog View Post
                  Now now, don't bully newer members, even if they're wrong. After all, it was only about a year ago that you were a relative new guy obsessed with converting everyone here to peakoilism, writing voluminous posts and haranguing anyone who wouldn't respond and chastising those who did for failing to carefully address every tiny little point you had laid out. And hey, at length iTulip published an editorial position that seemed to agree at least in broad terms with what you had been shouting all along so... you know, for $#*, maybe hope springs eternal. Of course there was never any official statement acknowledging "ok Lukester, you were right, we were wrong", something about which you clearly still hold a grudge as you complained about it again earlier today. As there are multiple FREDs, I sometimes wonder if there are multiple Lukesters.
                  Yes Lukester, I would have to agree. A pot and a black kettle come to mind.

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                  • #10
                    Re: Oil market collapse waiting to happen

                    Zoog -

                    You wrote:

                    "After all, it was only about a year ago that you were a relative new guy"

                    Uhm, I was a contributor here before you joined, so I don't know where you got your "relative new guy" posting views about that. The entire reconstituted iTulip community was relatively new again, at the beginning of 2007. Remember when Tet was posting opinions about "abiogenetic oil" and "dino-goo" on these pages and most other contributors around here were merely nodding their heads passively, reading that stuff and concluding since "senior iTulipers" were offering these opinions that there must be some truth there?

                    Did more than one or two people even bother offering any debunks, or clarifications? Meanwhile, you paint the fact that I required EJ to formally dissociate iTulip from endorsing "abiogenetic oil" as my "haranguing" the community. Easy for you to say pal. :rolleyes:

                    You refer to "iTulip agreeing with what I suggested they look at, at least in broad position" - LOL. They were caving in on the whole position. The "Peak Cheap Oil" was added as window dressing to create gossamer thin distinctions between the newly endorsed iTulip [TM] views here, and views that have been held in other communities of what you might presumably call "peak oil shouters" for the past decade.

                    Meanwhile, in contrast and as far as I can recall, you have been entirely passive while all of these points were being clarified I think? Perhaps you thought that voicing any objection would be equated with bad manners here? Whatever the reason, I've never seen you post even a murmur of an objection, when you were summarily advised of the following:

                    > "The oil price is exclusively a function of fiat money" (subsequently disproved)
                    > "Inflation belongs to the banks to make" - oil causing inflation is a "naive and untutored" idea. (subsequently disproved)
                    > "Demand destruction inevitably creates orderly self regulating mechanisms in resource constrained markets,
                    OECD and non OECD". (assertion was put under severe questioning stress - as it should be)
                    > "Very high energy prices act as a depressant on the global economy (commonly believed here, and partially dismantled
                    by Andrew McKillop - contributed by me)
                    > "Alternative energy will seamlessly supplant hydrocarbons and maintain global GDP" (subsequently disproved)
                    > "Nuclear power makes all the doomish squeakings of Peak Oiler's specious" (subsequently disproved)
                    > "The 600%-900% rise in the price of petroleum is a fiat currency illusion (very recently disproved, although it's primary
                    proponent prevaricates).

                    And so forth.

                    You offer critiques here about "bullying" or about "shouting about oil when nobody wanted to hear about it", but you acknowledge nothing about the fact that at each of the above milestones you have been as far as I can tell merely passive. You strike me more as the type who is comfortable collecting "accepted wisdoms" from iTulip, rather than someone who prefers instead to "contribute to modifying accepted wisdoms at iTulip".

                    And as to your comment about my bearing a grudge - it is your privilege to believe that Zoog, although you may notice I have a mirthful character? In fact, the holding of grudges bores me. It is the halmark of people who take themselves far too seriously - such people are bores. Whatever my shortcomings, I don't believe I am a bore, because I love to laugh at everything, including myself. Meanwhile I have noted the fact you've not addressed a single post to me in maybe more than a year? Curious as I've even addressed a few posts to you, which you "neglected" to ever answer. So perhaps that may have something to do with your ungenerous conclusions in my regard. Nice to hear you actually address me once directly!

                    And as for $#*, with his theory of the OTC markets being the crucible for "hugely powerful speculative forces" that are shaping the course of the commodities bull market, and the shadowy government arm extending into these markets as well to devise the new securitized treasuries "power money", I think he has gone barking far up a tree with this thesis. If you see someone climbing far up a tree around here with a thesis, like Tet talking earnestly about his abiogenetic oil welling up from 20 miles below the surface, do you think it's maybe viable to speak up? BTW, $#* is a very robust extrovert, with a quite healthy ego, so I hardly think he is the delicate flower you picture here.

                    And most important of all, just so $#* understands where I'm coming from (don't want Zoog to paint me something I don't wish to be), I'll say something else, which I feel very strongly about here. There are no "old boys" and "new boys" here Zoog. You may think that, but I never do. There are only equals. If someone posts something you think is rubbish, it is entirely within the scope of this place to describe why one thinks it is rubbish. That fact that you regard this as being an exchange between "new boys" and "old boys" is something I find slightly depressing. I really dislike "pecking orders" and "heirarchies" and "seniority". Anyone who wants to ascribe that quality to me? I'll offer them a Bronx cheer.

                    Finally Zoog - rather than sit there and snipe about people who's arguments have actually changed iTulip's own positions, why don't you get out there a little more proactively and do something similar? Find it within yourself to take on an iTulip assertion which you know to be partial, or incorrect to some extent, and really tear into it? It seems you are constitutionally disinclined to venture there.

                    Originally posted by zoog View Post
                    Now now, don't bully newer members, even if they're wrong. After all, it was only about a year ago that you were a relative new guy obsessed with converting everyone here to peakoilism, writing voluminous posts and haranguing anyone who wouldn't respond and chastising those who did for failing to carefully address every tiny little point you had laid out. And hey, at length iTulip published an editorial position that seemed to agree at least in broad terms with what you had been shouting all along so... you know, for $#*, maybe hope springs eternal. Of course there was never any official statement acknowledging "ok Lukester, you were right, we were wrong", something about which you clearly still hold a grudge as you complained about it again earlier today. As there are multiple FREDs, I sometimes wonder if there are multiple Lukesters.

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                    • #11
                      Re: Oil market collapse waiting to happen

                      Originally posted by Lukester View Post
                      Zoog -

                      Uhm, I was a contributor here before you joined, so I don't know where you got your "relative new guy" posting views about that.
                      Uh - Luke: that is a little too long (for my taste). How does "Who said what" help decide if there is an oil bubble or not? He's a new guy, he's got one item of data to support the "oil bubble" hypothesis. It's too weak, we're not convinced.

                      But I just had to share my $0.02 of excitement: oh my god if there really is an oil financial bubble. Think of what incentives oil explorers will have if oil crashes to $50 first (before it eventually goes to $400). That's not exactly the stable cash flow that the number crunchers can finance a billion dollar exploration off of. And I don't think we're the only peak cheap oilers around. What a ride the last few months have been!

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                      • #12
                        Re: Oil market collapse waiting to happen

                        OK if Krakknisse is giving me a hard time here, I got to fold. Besides, I certainly hold no grudges against anyone. $#* please accept my sincere apologies for landing on you like a ton of bricks. I hope you will not hold a grudge with me. I am a generous spirited guy and have never be too proud to apologise anywhere. Tight arsed people who can never admit being wrong make me feel only scornful. Sorry to lean on you. Oh, and you are not a "newbie" here, and I'm not an "oldie" here. That sort of talk is pompous bull-sheet and in my view is also pernicious.

                        Everyone who walks in here from day one, if they put forward really tightly argued and difficult to evade aguments - they are to be respected. But I do think that when people are faced with arguments which box them into a corner they need to either raise, or fold.

                        When you merely see "clouds of smoke" that's discouraging of the idea that this common discussion has any kind of linear progression (that is a broad hint to FRED, on the reality of runaway, poorly documented central bank gold leasing. The FOX, in the form of the World Gold Council's JPMorgan, is being trusted as the policman and custodian of "truth" here, and trust is a "discredited concept" when it comes to JPMorgan's messing around with gold. Therefore to point to the World Gold Council as iTulip's "unimpeachable source of hard numbers" is wide open to challenge on these pages, because JPMorgan, along with Barrick, were actually hauled into court for price rigging and lost their legal dispute!). :rolleyes:

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