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  • Reversal of Energy Policy Direction Underway???

    It's said that, when investing, the reaction to the news is more important than the news itself.

    Keeping with that theme I have been expecting, and have now begun to notice, a subtle change in tone from politicians, other officials and MSM on the subject of energy policy and direction compared to the pronouncements following the cyclical peak in crude oil back in July.

    Will the NND take longer to arrive than anticipated?

    Way back then [$147 oil seems like a long time ago, doesn't it :rolleyes:] there was much talk of completely restructuring economies around [pick your favourites from: alternate/renewable/green/carbon-free/responsible/secure] energy. Imbedded in these policy proposals were all manner of new taxation ideas to change behaviours by discouraging the use of [pick your favourites from: hydrocarbons/"dirty" oil/imported oil/carbon fuels/non-renewables/polluting energy].

    Human nature being what it is, "saving the planet" from the evils of carbon emissions and "Big Oil" sounds fine. Until it actually starts to hit home in people's wallets. The trade-off between an immediate, measurable and personal cost versus a deferred, ambiguous, and shared benefit always seemed a tough political sell to me. In hard economic times, might it become nearly impossible?

    The belated recognition of faltering economies, contracting business activity, rising unemployment, and the spreading disease of falling home prices (the last being an unfamiliar but deadly situation for elected officials :p) seems to be taking the edge off talk of society-reforming, climate-change motivated taxation and spending policies.

    I was in the UK in late July when the utility companies started announcing stunningly large immediate increases in electricity and natural gas rates (20% to 45%). That precipitated the usual "band-aid" proposal from government. This has surfaced a delayed recognition that part of the problem just might be the past & present policies of the government itself. The middle class is not amused. And the poor, who were led to expect another "costless" (e.g. free) benefit, are probably not that happy either...
    Gordon Brown's energy bill problem

    Last Updated: 4:01pm BST 05/09/2008

    Gordon Brown is under fire today after signalling that giving £100 energy bill vouchers to the poorest families is unlikely to happen. It was an ill-conceived idea, and given that Downing Street trailed the idea extensively, the backlash to its u-turn is entirely of its own making.

    The Government wanted energy suppliers to fund the scheme, which would have inevitably raised Middle England’s energy bills even further for to pay an additional benefit to Labour’s client state. What the Government seems not to understand is that it is not just economically inactive households that are under pressure, but the middle classes too, which it has spent the past decade fleecing...

    ...Unfortunately, the Government’s policies over the past 11 years have been a major factor in higher prices. The introduction of a renewables obligation on all the energy suppliers has pushed production towards overly-expensive wind turbines which cannot provide the security of supply the country needs, nor provide electricity at an acceptable cost.

    Meanwhile, the Government’s decade of dithering over the construction of nuclear power stations means it will be ten more years before we benefit from vital cheap supply they will provide...
    On another front, the colonials in Canada, formerly desiring a reputation as progressive, sensitive, environmentally-aware citizens of the planet, seem to have had a remarkable change of heart. And in an equally remarkable short time - measured in weeks :eek:. The Government of British Columbia introduced, with much fanfare and, according to the polls, considerable public support, a new carbon tax on July 1, 2008. Since then the government's popularity has been sinking steadily.

    From the pro-carbon tax "Carbon Tax Center" website [http://www.carbontax.org/]:
    For months we've been touting the British Columbia carbon tax, and for good reason. Not only is BC's carbon tax the highest by far in North America ($10 per metric ton of CO2 this year, rising stepwise to $30 in 2012), but the rollout of the tax has seemed to be handled with great intelligence.

    The Liberal Party provincial administration took pains to make the tax revenue-neutral (mostly via reductions in personal and business tax rates, a feature it underscored by sending B.C. residents $100 carbon tax dividend checks as a down payment in the week before the tax went into effect on July 1.

    So we were dismayed to read in mid-July of a poll showing a clear majority of B.C.'ers opposed to the tax. Even the $100 dividends came off badly in the poll, with at least one respondent complaining that her check only served to remind her of the loathsome tax...

    ...The way in which tax cuts rise along with carbon prices is not transparent or seemingly automatic. The carbon tax revenue is not placed in a separate trust fund...but is blended with general revenue. It is then up to future legislatures to adjust the tax rates. This could reasonably make people skeptical...

    The federal election campaign now underway in Canada pits the Liberal Party, with its "revenue-neutral" carbon-tax campaign platform, against the Conservative Party, that announced this week it would cut federal taxs on diesel fuel and aviation (jet) fuel if re-elected.

    The proponents of taxing carbon are suddenly finding they must navigate a public opinion minefield using ever more twisted logic. The leader of the Liberal Party of Canada, on the one hand advocating increased taxation of carbon fuels to discourage their use, was reported this week in the Vancouver Sun thus: "The Liberal leader also said that he would toughen up the federal Competition Bureau to prevent petroleum companies from colluding to drive up gas prices." No prize for guessing which of these two positions is playing better with the ballot-casters.




    So the questions that arise include:
    • As the economy spirals down, with all the usual consequences on employment and so forth, will climate change and carbon taxes fall off the OECD political agenda?
    • Could the recent demand destruction, falling prices and rising crude oil inventories defer immediate concerns about energy security [perhaps for a few years]?
    • Could a "deflation scare" prompt OECD politicians to reverse anti-carbon motivated policies discouraging hydrocarbons, and undertake policies [such as fuel tax cuts and home heating subsidies] that actually increase consumption in an expedient effort to boost their recession-mired economies, and buy votes?
    • If this all comes to pass, does it mean a material extension to the timeline before the advent of "The Next Bubble"?
    • Or does it significantly increase the probability of that other, less desirable, outcome...No Next Bubble...?
    We live in interesting times...;)
    Last edited by GRG55; September 13, 2008, 10:07 AM.

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    Re: Reversal of Energy Policy Direction Underway???

    Originally posted by grg55
    So the questions that arise include:
    • As the economy spirals down, with all the usual consequences on employment and so forth, will climate change and carbon taxes fall off the OECD political agenda?
    • Could the recent demand destruction, falling prices and rising crude oil inventories defer immediate concerns about energy security [perhaps for a few years]?
    • Could a "deflation scare" prompt OECD politicians to reverse anti-carbon motivated policies discouraging hydrocarbons, and undertake policies [such as fuel tax cuts and home heating subsidies] that actually increase consumption in an expedient effort to boost their recession-mired economies, and buy votes?
    • If this all comes to pass, does it mean a material extension to the timeline before the advent of "The Next Bubble"?

    We live in interesting times...;)
    1. yes
    2. yes
    3. yes
    4. depends on what you thought the timeline was.

    i have become sadly resigned to the inability of most people to plan ahead, save for rainy days, or - more generally - defer gratification. it appears that only the discipline of the marketplace can force change: anticipation of that discipline is insufficient.

    i also find interesting the anchoring effect of recent prices on peoples' perceptions. gasoline has come down - what, 15 cents? - and suddenly there's no more talk of fuel efficiency, cutting down on driving, selling gas guzzlers. at least it's not there, prominantly, in the media. and i noticed that last month the auto makers reported a bounce in the sale of pickup trucks and suv's.

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      Re: Reversal of Energy Policy Direction Underway???

      Originally posted by jk View Post
      1. yes
      2. yes
      3. yes
      4. depends on what you thought the timeline was.

      i have become sadly resigned to the inability of most people to plan ahead, save for rainy days, or - more generally - defer gratification. it appears that only the discipline of the marketplace can force change: anticipation of that discipline is insufficient.

      i also find interesting the anchoring effect of recent prices on peoples' perceptions. gasoline has come down - what, 15 cents? - and suddenly there's no more talk of fuel efficiency, cutting down on driving, selling gas guzzlers. at least it's not there, prominantly, in the media. and i noticed that last month the auto makers reported a bounce in the sale of pickup trucks and suv's.
      I noticed the same things, along with the big bounce in GM's stock price, which is what got me thinking about this...

      NND/Next Bubble Timeline [from an investment standpoint] was roughly 2 years from EJs CNBC interview earlier this year.
      Last edited by GRG55; September 13, 2008, 10:29 AM.

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        Re: Reversal of Energy Policy Direction Underway???

        People will put their personal survival first. Environmental concerns are an affluent First World luxury. More an historical aberration. One of the secrets of capitalism's success has been the exploitation of natural resources without fiscal consequences. With tough times returning with a vengeance for most, expect "are we being green" to become more a memory than an everyday priority.

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          Re: Reversal of Energy Policy Direction Underway???

          Originally posted by don View Post
          People will put their personal survival first. Environmental concerns are an affluent First World luxury. More an historical aberration. One of the secrets of capitalism's success has been the exploitation of natural resources without fiscal consequences. With tough times returning with a vengeance for most, expect "are we being green" to become more a memory than an everyday priority.
          It did occur that the one area where politicians can continue the agenda is the conservation aspect. Handouts for improving insulation, replacing old furnaces, double glazing windows, etc (what the British call "lagging the loft") would likely be popular vote-getters.

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            Re: Reversal of Energy Policy Direction Underway???

            Originally posted by GRG55 View Post
            It did occur that the one area where politicians can continue the agenda is the conservation aspect. Handouts for improving insulation, replacing old furnaces, double glazing windows, etc (what the British call "lagging the loft") would likely be popular vote-getters.
            i agree. conservation is the one area where the people spending the money are the people getting the savings- they can calculate a clear payback. so expect tax credits [the most likely funding support from the government]. any investment plays?

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              Re: Reversal of Energy Policy Direction Underway???


              No reversal when the money flows to reduce carbon and enhance energy efficiency.

              http://www.businesswire.com/portal/s...91&newsLang=en
              sept 12,2008
              Philips Lumileds today released “LEDs: Coming Soon to a Street Light Near You,”
              Governments, municipalities and utilities face an ongoing effort to serve the public with better lighting and to reduce their carbon footprints and energy costs.
              The company's recent records for light output, efficacy and thermal management are direct results of the ongoing commitment to advancing solid-state lighting technology and enabling lighting solutions that are more environmentally friendly, help reduce CO2 emissions and reduce the need for power plant expansion.
              good call EJ,
              Price looking attractive now.
              http://finance.google.com/finance?q=NYSE%3APHG

              Money flow:http://nymex.greenfutures.com/markets/




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                Re: Reversal of Energy Policy Direction Underway???

                Originally posted by bill View Post

                No reversal when the money flows to reduce carbon and enhance energy efficiency.

                http://www.businesswire.com/portal/s...91&newsLang=en

                good call EJ,
                Price looking attractive now.
                http://finance.google.com/finance?q=NYSE%3APHG

                Money flow:http://nymex.greenfutures.com/markets/

                is lighting a big enough part of phillips to make a difference?

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                • #9
                  Re: Reversal of Energy Policy Direction Underway???

                  Originally posted by jk View Post
                  is lighting a big enough part of phillips to make a difference?

                  If they can enforce patents. (any news from you tech guys would help)
                  http://www.ledsmagazine.com/news/5/3/7
                  Philips/CK is alleging that its patents have been infringed by LED Effects, now part of Lighting Science Group Corporation (LSG).
                  if not purchase
                  http://finance.google.com/finance?q=OTC%3ALSCG
                  http://www.solidstatelighting.net/do...doc/10674.html

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                  • #10
                    Re: Reversal of Energy Policy Direction Underway???

                    Originally posted by bill View Post
                    found it
                    http://www.ledsmagazine.com/news/5/7/3

                    Philips introduces licensing program for LED-based luminaires
                    02 Jul 2008
                    Philips is offering around 1000 patents related to LED luminaires, and will charge licensing fees such as 5% of net selling price for color-changing luminaires.
                    On June 30, Philips introduced a patent licensing program for LED-based luminaires used in the general illumination, architectural and theatrical markets.
                    Philips has pulled together a list of about 1000 patents – including those originally filed by Color Kinetics - that it says address the basic control technologies required in a broad range of LED lighting applications.
                    The company says that its policy to share its IP for LED-based luminaires through licensing will "open up the potential of new LED lighting solutions to companies and consumers. By providing access to our patented technologies we give other companies the possibility to enter into new and promising markets."
                    Philips also said that the new program extends the former Color Kinetics licensing program "to enable faster growth of the Solid State Lighting market."
                    Since Philips acquired Color Kinetics in summer 2007, there has been speculation regarding the way in which Philips would approach the market with its IP portfolio – see Philips to buy Color Kinetics in $791 million deal.
                    The answer is that the Color Kinetics patents have been combined with a vast array or relevant Philips IP, all of which is listed in a 17-page PDF document. A quick scan suggests this contains about 1000 patents.
                    The PDF list of IP offered by Philips can be downloaded on the pricing information section of Philips' website, which includes the following price list:
                    Royalty Rates by category: (*)
                    Single Color luminaire: 3% of net selling price
                    Tunable White luminaire: 4% of net selling price
                    Color-Changing luminaire: 5% of net selling price
                    (*) Royalties will be charged on a country by country basis to the extent that patent coverage for the specific product feature is present for that country. Rudy Provoost, CEO of Philips Lighting said: “We are facing a market for LED luminaires that is growing more than 30% per year. This year we already see the entrance of LEDs in functional general lighting in many market segments. LEDs mark a new era of light, it is more than just switching on light. It can create beautiful atmospheres, enhance peoples’ mood, while saving energy through efficiency.” “Having the technology is just one part of unlocking the potential of LED–based lighting. By licensing our technology we are able to open up the full potential of new LED lighting solutions to companies and consumers, helping the Solid State Lighting market to grow,” adds Ruud Peters, CEO of Philips Intellectual Property & Standards

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                      Re: Reversal of Energy Policy Direction Underway???

                      I don't object to the taxes so much as the time and effort required to do endless accounting for taxes in Canada and especially British Columbia.

                      For example: I just bought a soda at a store in BC. The store took the bottle deposit, charged the provincial tax of 7% and the GST of 5%; then, on top of that they levied a recycling tax of 5cents per bottle. And the new carbon tax will soon be added-on to things like gas, paint, plastics, and anything with carbon in it..... A soda might be taxed for the carbon-dioxide in its fizz.

                      All this absurd tax accounting makes Canada rather unproductive as a nation, not to mention a difficult place to do business.

                      Again, one can thank the eco-nuts here in BC ( Ecotopia ) for this state of affairs--- all based upon the junk science of CO2 being called a pollutant leading to global warming.

                      "The issue of global warming is settled," according to Al Gore, so my opinion doesn't count.

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                        Re: Reversal of Energy Policy Direction Underway???

                        Originally posted by Starving Steve View Post
                        I don't object to the taxes so much as the time and effort required to do endless accounting for taxes in Canada and especially British Columbia.

                        For example: I just bought a soda at a store in BC. The store took the bottle deposit, charged the provincial tax of 7% and the GST of 5%; then, on top of that they levied a recycling tax of 5cents per bottle. And the new carbon tax will soon be added-on to things like gas, paint, plastics, and anything with carbon in it..... A soda might be taxed for the carbon-dioxide in its fizz.

                        All this absurd tax accounting makes Canada rather unproductive as a nation, not to mention a difficult place to do business.

                        Again, one can thank the eco-nuts here in BC ( Ecotopia ) for this state of affairs--- all based upon the junk science of CO2 being called a pollutant leading to global warming.

                        "The issue of global warming is settled," according to Al Gore, so my opinion doesn't count.
                        I don't understand what you wrote. What is "took the bottle deposit'?

                        What was the price of your soda, and what did it cost you to own it?

                        BTW, what kind of soda was it?
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                          Re: Reversal of Energy Policy Direction Underway???

                          The bottle deposit was 20cents. ( You get that back if you return the plastic bottle. ) The 2 litre root beer cost 66cents, on special this weekend. The GST was 5% of 66cents, and the PST was 7% of 66cents.
                          The re-cycling tax was 5cents. The carbon tax (to come) will be on the carbon in the plastic bottle as well as the CO2 fizz. Again, the tax will be quite small.

                          But the accounting for these taxes takes time and computer software, and this is absurd. Then add-in the cost of the carbon police to collect and enforce the tax. These will not be small costs.

                          Then there are the indirect costs of goofy taxes which add to fuel costs. These indirect costs drive-up the cost of food and just about everything else.

                          Buying a soda is just an example of the madness in Canada. Try building a house and witness the taxation such as: re-cycling fees and deposits on paint cans, fuel surcharges for deliveries, carbon taxes (to come) such as a tax on the CO2 given-off by cement, carbon taxes on plastic, carbon taxes on paints and varnishes, provincial sales taxes, GST, re-cycling fees on roofing materials, etc..... Unlike with the soda pop example, the add-on taxes for the building of a house will amount to tens of thousands of dollars.

                          Then the provincial government here in BC expands its bureaucracy with a carbon bureaucracy (coming soon), and my provincial income tax goes up next.... And you wonder why I get upset?:rolleyes:
                          Last edited by Starving Steve; September 13, 2008, 10:27 PM.

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                            Re: Reversal of Energy Policy Direction Underway???

                            Originally posted by Starving Steve View Post
                            The bottle deposit was 20cents. ( You get that back if you return the plastic bottle. ) The 2 litre root beer cost 66cents, on special this weekend. The GST was 5% of 66cents, and the PST was 7% of 66cents.
                            The re-cycling tax was 5cents. The carbon tax (to come) will be on the carbon in the plastic bottle as well as the CO2 fizz. Again, the tax will be quite small.

                            But the accounting for these taxes takes time and computer software, and this is absurd. Then add-in the cost of the carbon police to collect and enforce the tax. These will not be small costs.

                            Then there are the indirect costs of goofy taxes which add to fuel costs. These indirect costs drive-up the cost of food and just about everything else.

                            Buying a soda is just an example of the madness in Canada. Try building a house and witness the taxation such as: re-cycling fees and deposits on paint cans, fuel surcharges for deliveries, carbon taxes (to come) such as a tax on the CO2 given-off by cement, carbon taxes on plastic, carbon taxes on paints and varnishes, provincial sales taxes, GST, re-cycling fees on roofing materials, etc..... Unlike with the soda pop example, the add-on taxes for the building of a house will amount to tens of thousands of dollars.

                            Then the provincial government here in BC expands its bureaucracy with a carbon bureaucracy (coming soon), and my provincial income tax goes up next.... And you wonder why I get upset?:rolleyes:
                            the system sounds clunky and inefficient, but there's something to the idea of making people pay for externalities. it makes more sense for the fees to be levied on the producer or importer, however, than at the point of sale.

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                              Re: Reversal of Energy Policy Direction Underway???

                              Originally posted by GRG55 View Post
                              [*]As the economy spirals down, with all the usual consequences on employment and so forth, will climate change and carbon taxes fall off the OECD political agenda?
                              I share the view of jk and Don in the affirmative. This is copied from an earlier post in the Select section from 9/9/08:
                              At the levels we're talking about, the atmospheric CO2 concentration is a putative climate problem rather than an acute toxin. Why does this matter? Because "management" of the waste could potentially include abatement of climate change through "climate engineering".

                              This from a story run in Wired:
                              Climate scientists Damon Matthews of Concordia University and Ken Caldeira of Stanford ran the numbers on atmospheric geo-engineering through a climate simulation and found that while cranking out carbon dioxide at business-as-usual rates we can geo-engineer our way back toward pre-industrial temperatures in short order, reaching 1900 levels in about five years. Not only that, it would be fairly cheap and easy to do.

                              Calculations of the cost of carbon waste management almost always focus on eliminating production of, or sequestering, industrial CO2. I'm not convinced that we will ever take effective action on managing CO2 waste, but if we do, I think it is more likely to take the form of climate engineering rather than reduction of carbon emissions. The basic problem is that unless there's a miracle technology around the corner, burning fossil fuels for energy will likely remain cheaper than "green" alternatives.

                              I just can't imagine the political will to deal with global warming surviving the (seemingly) inevitable collision with standard of living. The United States is about to go through a period in which its standard of living declines, regardless of energy costs, as we work through a combination of public and private debt. Further, the US and most of the industrialized powers all face demographic crises which will severely strain public resources for decades to come. Anything that raises the cost of energy and imposes a further or faster decline in the West's standard of living will rapidly lose political favor. Global warming is a classic example of a long-term problem with which democracies are structurally incapable of dealing effectively. Only if environmental disaster has an acute and immediate effect upon standard of living equivalent to that imposed by energy restrictions will action be possible, at which point it will be too late for strategies that reduce carbon emissions. For its part, China is capable of society-wide long-range central planning that imposes hardship on its people, but can the Communist government survive the slowdown in growth and curtailment of expectations that would accompany a switch to green power? I just don't see this happening.

                              In the short term, iTulip's alternative energy investment thesis seems sound enough. I just don't think that the outcome of a government-initiated boom in alternative energy will actually be a solution to global warming. In the US, we've got a window of about a decade before the expense of entitlement programs really starts to crowd out the discretionary federal budget. Between then and now, we've still got the fallout from the housing and credit bubbles to deal with -- managed by measures which weaken the purchasing power of Americans and erode their standard of living. Alternative energy may be our government's chosen vehicle to "bubble" its way to better times, but the success of that policy in the face of what will be mounting populist pressures (demanding direct succor for a declining standard of living, as opposed to spending on favored industries) is not a foregone conclusion.

                              I think we're about to be too poor to worry about climate change.

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