Hudson Latest

[oddlots]

http://www.counterpunch.org/

[tree]

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Hudson keeps getting better and better, now speaking in ways--or at least being edited by Mike Whitney--that any moderately intelligent reader, including one who has been repelled by economics as taught in most universities, can understand.

I have my own problems with Counterpunch, but I do read it regularly and I must confess to thoroughly enjoying Mr. Whitney, not to mention Dr. Hudson's seemingly regular appearances there now.

But this latest one is so good -- it makes me afraid for Whitney and Hudson!

I have been reading "The Sweetest Dream" by Doris Lessing, written a few years ago, set in London in the 1960s. I am too young to have been floating freely then, but I do remember those times. How different they seem, in Lessing's depiction, from today. Now, as we huddle each in our own rooms over the computer -- then, massive meetings and demonstrations, often idiotic, yes, and selfish and stupid, but actual people, face to face!

[don]

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Hudson keeps getting better and better, now speaking in ways--or at least being edited by Mike Whitney--that any moderately intelligent reader, including one who has been repelled by economics as taught in most universities, can understand.

I have my own problems with Counterpunch, but I do read it regularly and I must confess to thoroughly enjoying Mr. Whitney, not to mention Dr. Hudson's seemingly regular appearances there now.

But this latest one is so good -- it makes me afraid for Whitney and Hudson!

I have been reading "The Sweetest Dream" by Doris Lessing, written a few years ago, set in London in the 1960s. I am too young to have been floating freely then, but I do remember those times. How different they seem, in Lessing's depiction, from today. Now, as we huddle each in our own rooms over the computer -- then, massive meetings and demonstrations, often idiotic, yes, and selfish and stupid, but actual people, face to face!

May I add with total surveillance. Back then it was mostly informants and agents provocateurs. The latter aren't gone but the former was only a state wet dream in the 60s.

[tree]

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May I add with total surveillance. Back then it was mostly informants and agents provocateurs. The latter aren't gone but the former was only a state wet dream in the 60s.

Shall we assume total surveillance now? Perhaps not. But if so, in what form? (I grew up in Bethesda, Md., with two very high-level deep-cover CIA/NSA guys on my block, one right next door. I dig this stuff!)

Do you suppose the CIA and/or FBI etc. has people who sit around all day and do nothing but read/and or add to the drivel online?

Perhaps I am one of them and do not know it! Such are novels made of.

[don]

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An all-knowing state? I don't think so BUT anyone brought to the state's attention can be monitored like never before. I think that falls under general knowledge. Aren't there attempts underway to crunch vast amounts of internet traffic keyed to various words, phrases, profiles, etc?

[sn1p3r]

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don't laugh i'm a software engineer and what I know as an avg worker bee tells me it is quite possible.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ECHELON

[metalman]

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Hudson keeps getting better and better, now speaking in ways--or at least being edited by Mike Whitney--that any moderately intelligent reader, including one who has been repelled by economics as taught in most universities, can understand.

I have my own problems with Counterpunch, but I do read it regularly and I must confess to thoroughly enjoying Mr. Whitney, not to mention Dr. Hudson's seemingly regular appearances there now.

But this latest one is so good -- it makes me afraid for Whitney and Hudson!

I have been reading "The Sweetest Dream" by Doris Lessing, written a few years ago, set in London in the 1960s. I am too young to have been floating freely then, but I do remember those times. How different they seem, in Lessing's depiction, from today. Now, as we huddle each in our own rooms over the computer -- then, massive meetings and demonstrations, often idiotic, yes, and selfish and stupid, but actual people, face to face!

when am i gonna see itulip member tree debate itulip member Forrest

[D-Mack]

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Shall we assume total surveillance now? Perhaps not. But if so, in what form? (I grew up in Bethesda, Md., with two very high-level deep-cover CIA/NSA guys on my block, one right next door. I dig this stuff!)

Do you suppose the CIA and/or FBI etc. has people who sit around all day and do nothing but read/and or add to the drivel online?

Perhaps I am one of them and do not know it! Such are novels made of.

The NSA is just copying the whole internet traffic, I don't know if they are just looking at it or storing it

Appearing on MSNBC's Countdown program, whistleblower Mark Klein told Keith Olbermann that a copy of all internet traffic passing over AT&T lines was copied into a locked room at the company's San Francisco office -- to which only employees with National Security Agency clearance had access -- via a cable splitting device.
http://rawstory.com/news/2007/Countd...room_1107.html

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World routing Internet traffic around U.S.
Published 8/30/08
Filed under: Politics, Technology


So the world is beginning to route its communications traffic around the United States.

Per a Times story:

Since passage of the Patriot Act, many companies based outside of the United States have been reluctant to store client information in the U.S.,” said Marc Rotenberg, executive director of the Electronic Privacy Information Center in Washington. “There is an ongoing concern that U.S. intelligence agencies will gather this information without legal process. There is particular sensitivity about access to financial information as well as communications and Internet traffic that goes through U.S. switches.”

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http://www.kantor.com/blog/2008/08/w...fic-around-us/

[tombat1913]

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when am i gonna see itulip member tree debate itulip member Forrest

Rumble in the Jungle!

[tombat1913]

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It appears that even illegal surveilance of American citizens is being outsourced. This seems like a good (unethical) way to turn foreign aid into intelligence money.

[don]

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when am i gonna see itulip member tree debate itulip member Forrest

I can't see it.