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  • Comsumer led Recession 100% chance, here is why ?

    Please read this after viewing my post here USA Recession Technicaly Confirmed

    The chart attached shows that when the number of months to sell a house exceeds 8 months (B on chart), while the consumer misery index is above 10 (C on chart) the Consumer GDP has always sunk to ZERO or less (A on Chart). The rugged and tough USA consumer has just completed 17 years (ie 1991 to 2008) of positive GDP consumption and now it is beat.

    The Number of months to sell house is the efftect of banks changing the rules, consumer under stress and of course wanting a price thats not current market price.

    My conclusion: That a USA Consumer led recession is a slam dunk. Consider this view with the unemployment rate of change chart sent previously and I feel odds are 100%. My guess 2008 Q3 will see it start.

    This view has just been reinforced by Northern Trust comments today (29/08/2008 Asha Bangalore) on the latest USA Consumer spending statistics ..” inflation adjusted consumer spending fell 0.4% in July”..

    ,,” Consumer spending will have to advance in leaps and bounds in August and September for a flat reading in the third quarter. In other words, a decline in third quarter consumer spending is nearly certain. Assuming our forecast is accurate, this would be the first quarterly decline in consumer spending since fourth quarter of 1991. If consumer spending posts a decline, it should not be surprising to see a minus sign attached to change in GDP during the third quarter.”…

    And I believe, negative GDP in 2008 Q4 and 2009 Q1.

    Note: 1991 was the last Consumer led recession.

    Definitions:
    1) Months to sell a house is from the US Census Bureau
    2) The misery index is the headline inflation rate plus unemployment rate plus (inverse) change in house prices (house price measure is from the US Census Bureau (not Case Shiller or OFEO, so its very conservative).
    3) Consumer GDP last data point is 2008 Q2, unrevised.

    Chart data from : www.Economagic.com

    Disclosure : Long SKF and SCC (Sept/Oct worst seasonal period for stocks)


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    Last edited by icm63; August 31, 2008, 03:24 PM.

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    Re: Comsumer led Recession 100% chance, here is why ?

    Reminder: EJ chart of effect of employment after peaks of inflation. His concept, my presentation.

    DOOM, DOOM, DOOM ...and GLOOM !
    CPIPeaksUnemploymentPeaks.jpg
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      Re: Comsumer led Recession 100% chance, here is why ?

      I am repeating a question posed on Steve Keen's blog site by 'Bullturnedbear" We are not sure of the maths!
      If US Economy GDP is $14T that means about $3.5T per quarter. Supposedly the economy grew 3.3% for Q2 which is about $115.5B...the Govt pumped in $168B! We are wondering if you run all this through the sieve, does it mean that really, barring Govt priniting, the economy was negative Q2?

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        Re: Comsumer led Recession 100% chance, here is why ?

        Originally posted by The Outback Oracle View Post
        I am repeating a question posed on Steve Keen's blog site by 'Bullturnedbear" We are not sure of the maths!
        If US Economy GDP is $14T that means about $3.5T per quarter. Supposedly the economy grew 3.3% for Q2 which is about $115.5B...the Govt pumped in $168B! We are wondering if you run all this through the sieve, does it mean that really, barring Govt priniting, the economy was negative Q2?
        it appears as if all gains were made on the backs of the checks that were sent out in the spring and early summer.

        President Obama's first order of business will be another round of checks to be sent out.

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