Russia 'makes 1 bln dlrs' on Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac bonds: reports just in...

[phirang]

Re: Russia 'makes 1 bln dlrs' on Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac bonds: reports just in...

Nice informed community here on itulip !

Thanks to $#* for your data.






It is all about trust! FM & FM are only one kind of share of USA Inc.. Imagine a statement out of Russia: "... is announcing to sell major parts of its holdings in FM & FM and other US assets. Sovereign Wealth Funds watching..."
For that it doesn't matter if they actually loose.

The US is SO arrogant they think the rooskies don't have the nerve to do so...

[Listener]

Re: Russia 'makes 1 bln dlrs' on Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac bonds: reports just in...

this statement is a not so hidden gun on Americas head:
"be nice or we pull out of FM & FM !"

the same statement could be pronounced by the Chinese, although there is no hot confrontation with the US there.

funny times

PS.:
Does anyone has numbers regards Russia involvement at FM & FM ?

And more interesting: note who is missing:

UK
Europe
Japan

The UK and Japan are major Treasury holders, so not having this other debt does seem rather anomalous.

According to the Council on Foreign Relations data, foreign central banks own $925 billion of debt in Fannie Mae and Freddy Mac. China tops the list with $420 billion in debt; Russia and Japan come in second with a combined $407 billion in Fannie and Freddy debt. Others countries that hold the debt include Singapore, Taiwan, and several cash-rich countries in the Persian Gulf.

[c1ue]

Re: Russia 'makes 1 bln dlrs' on Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac bonds: reports just in...

$#*,

Again, you confuse propaganda with facts.

Georgia itself said that Israel's military assistance was helpful in their destruction of Russian troops and equipment:

Georgia has credited Israeli military assistance after claiming the destruction of at least 11 Russian combat aircraft and 50 main battle tanks.
"Israel should be proud of its military, which trained Georgian soldiers," Georgian Reintegration Minister Temur Yakobshvili told Israel Army radio on Aug 10.

On Aug. 10, the Israeli Defense Ministry, which has overseen an estimated $200 million in military exports to Georgia, convened senior staffers to review the Foreign Ministry recommendation. Officials said the ministry decided to continue to approve exports for non-lethal systems for military and security applications in Georgia.

It is BECAUSE of this Israeli assistance that Georgia thought their spanking new military crap could hold off the Russian army if push came to shove.

Oops on their part, and oops on your foolish and chauvinistic assumption of official Russian anti-Semitism.

There is plenty of anti-Semitism all over the world especially not in the US.

[Supercilious]

Re: Russia 'makes 1 bln dlrs' on Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac bonds: reports just in...

$#*,

Again, you confuse propaganda with facts.
[...]

Oops on their part, and oops on your foolish and chauvinistic assumption of official Russian anti-Semitism.

There is plenty of anti-Semitism all over the world especially not in the US.

c1ue really I'm not a dumb Pravda reading drone to gulp cheap arguments like this. Israel has an over sized defense sector and israeli defense firms work all over the world. They have the similar type collaborations all over Eastern Europe , Africa,.... they are also in some Old Europe countries and for the last 10 years they are even in China where they are modernizing some AA missiles for the Sukhois sold by Czar Putin to the chinese.
As an independent country Georgia has the right to buy weapon systems and military consulting from anywhere they want.

What's the problem? Do you think they should get permission form the russian masters if they want to defend the internationally recognized borders of their country? I don't think so.

I was just pointing that Putin is going back to the old czarist/communist tactics of using antisemitism in state propaganda. My problem is not that you are russian. I don't care. I have quite a few russian friends who helped me understand what exactly the Putin system is and who are now extremely ashamed/angered by what Putin did in Georgia and generally by the direction where he wants to take Russia to.

My problem is that, IMHO, you seem to enjoy the taste of the bull&@it propaganda dumped by the russian state controlled media. Be my guest. Degustibus non disputandum ... But don't try to serve me your lunch. It smells really bad. More than that, the fact that you try to find an excuse for the antisemitism perpetrated by the Putin regime IMHO can have only two explanations:
a) you cannot function yet like a free independent mind and you still need the anchor of the state propaganda machine in order to define your moral values.
or;
b) you should be a Nashi coordinator and indoctrinate others with this stuff.

Please remember that pogrom is a russian word and please, before telling me that I confuse propaganda with facts, go and change first this page from wikipedia:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antisem...e_Soviet_Union

Today, anti-Semitic pronouncements, speeches and articles are common in Russia, and there are a large number of anti-Semitic neo-Nazi groups in the republics of the former Soviet Union, leading Pravda to declare in 2002 that "Anti-semitism is booming in Russia."^[21] Over the past few years there have also been bombs attached to anti-Semitic signs, apparently aimed at Jews, and other violent incidents, including stabbings, have been recorded.
Though the government of Vladimir Putin takes an official stand against anti-semitism, some political parties and groups are explicitly anti-Semitic, in spite of a Russian law (Art. 282) against fomenting racial, ethnic or religious hatred. In 2005, a group of 15 Duma members demanded that Judaism and Jewish organizations be banned from Russia. In June, 500 prominent Russians, including some 20 members of the nationalist Rodina party, demanded that the state prosecutor investigate ancient Jewish texts as "anti-Russian" and ban Judaism — the investigation was actually launched, but halted amid international outcry.

Two more things:

1) Yeah I know that wikpedia is controlled by a vast Jewish conspiracy that tries to detroy Russia by tarnishing the image of her great Leader Czar Vlad the First.:rolleyes:
2) No, I'm not a безродный космополит, I'm christian if this has any relevance.

But, leaving for now the appeal for decency and returning to the subject at hand, here is an interesting take on the implications of foreign ownership of FRM & FNM:

http://www.cnbc.com/id/15840232?video=828600426

[c1ue]

Re: Russia 'makes 1 bln dlrs' on Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac bonds: reports just in...

$#*,

First, I am not Russian.

Second, you may object to what I say, but from my view your statements are no less Uncle Sam jingoistic.

I've never said that Putin is the end all and be all of government.

I have said that he has done good things in bringing Russia out of its economic and morale sinkhole, but that time would tell if the tactics used to accomplish this would lead to net positive or negative outcomes.

Yet somehow for you the behavior of US leaders and Americans is somehow different - special. Do perhaps Americans have the 'democrats burden' a la Pax Britannica 'white man's burden'?

I fail to see how an incestuous political/economic system in either the US or Russia is fundamentally all that different.

As for your anti-Semitism crap: you say Russia is anti-Semitic, what about the US?

A fairly even 15% of Americans even right now are anti-Semitic.

http://judaism.about.com/od/antisemi.../antisem07.htm

That Americans distrust and dislike Jews because "Jews whacked Christ and Jews are more loyal to Israel than America" whereas Russians distrust and dislike Jews because "Jewish tax farmers screwed over my great grandparents, then Lenin screwed over my grandparents, then the Jewigarchs screwed over my parents" is irrelevant.

Jews are a convenient target: insular because of the maze of religious barriers preventing full assimilation into the mainstream, and noticeable because they stress education and often wind up in wealthier and in white collar professions.

Your clumsy attempts to paint Russia as somehow less moral than America because there are anti-Semites there is ridiculous.

For every nut-job skinhead in Moscow, there is an equal nut job skinhead in Idaho.

For every whacko Duma deputy pandering to the extremists, there is a Lyndon Larouche or a David Duke.

Then there's the KKK.

So please take your holier-than-thou attitude back for readjustment.

As for Georgia defending its borders - you again show your complete ignorance of history.

Both Abkhazia and South Ossetia have been trying to be officially recognized as independent from Georgia since 1992.

You'll note: Georgia itself cut loose from the Soviet Union in 1991.

It is highly ironic that somehow Georgia can be accepted as a seceding state from the Soviet Union, but historically different peoples cannot be recognized as seceding from Georgia.

I hardly call shooting wars with a UN monitored ceasefires since 1992 as fully sovereign Georgian territory.

[VIT]

Re: Russia 'makes 1 bln dlrs' on Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac bonds: reports just in...

$#*,

You are trying to point on the facts which are aligned to your opinion and fit them instead of looking on broad picture.

Example: You are saying invading in Georgia with "internationally recognized" borders and at the same time dismiss the same fact with Kosovo. But if you look on the history and not on what the West says is "law" you will get the idea that Abkhazia and S Osetia have more rigths for indpendence then Kosovo.

Again you say about anti-Jewesh movemement in Russia but it is based on couple folks speeches. I can find all nasty things like this in every country. But you just can not recognize that anti-semitizm and/or nationalist approach would never work in Russia and can not be a state policy.

When you can not find good arguments you start to put labels on everybody as Putin's / pravda followeres. It does not look fair for me.

If you dont like Putin it is not the reason to blame him for everything in this world. And if somebody disagree with you it does not mean they like Putin. Very simple.

[Supercilious]

Re: Russia 'makes 1 bln dlrs' on Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac bonds: reports just in...

Second, you may object to what I say, but from my view your statements are no less Uncle Sam jingoistic.

c1ue my belief that georgians don't have to accept unwanted russian troops on their territory has nothing to do with being Uncle Sam jingoistic. For that matter I believe that the Iraqi should not have to accept unwanted american troops on their territory.

I have said that he has done good things in bringing Russia out of its economic and morale sinkhole, but that time would tell if the tactics used to accomplish this would lead to net positive or negative outcomes.

Yeah, Hitler did also good things in bringing Germany out of its economic and moral sinkhole at the time of the Weimar Republic.:rolleyes: Don't get me wrong. I don't believe it's fair to compare Putin with Hitler or Stalin. IMHO he rather resembles Milosevic

Yet somehow for you the behavior of US leaders and Americans is somehow different - special.

Yup things are different although I have to confess that with Bush&Cheney I can see a convergence trend, but even so there is still a large differential.

I fail to see how an incestuous political/economic system in either the US or Russia is fundamentally all that different.

Try a simple c1lue: go and ask the average pole, czech, hungarian, estonian, romanian, former-east german, letonian, bulgarian, lithuanian how is the NATO umbrella compared to being a slave under the Russian sphere of influence.

As for your anti-Semitism crap: you say Russia is anti-Semitic, what about the US?

Antisemintism, racism (and for that matter human stupidity) exist in every country. You know, they have discovered a small neo-nazi antisemitic (both anti-jewish and anti muslim/palestinian ) organization even in Israel. That's not my problem.

The problem is when antisemitism/racism is used as an open or covered state-sponsored strategy in order to manipulate the ordinary citizens and consolidate the autocratic power of an individual or/and a ruling class. What? Do you think that the czarist era pogroms happened just because russians have a natural antisemitic gene and Ohrana had nothing to with that?

Covert government support for antisemitism used as a pinch of salt is a trademark of russian autocratic regimes. Putin simply has reverted to long tried and tested techniques.

Your clumsy attempts to paint Russia as somehow less moral than America because there are anti-Semites there is ridiculous.

Wrong. There is a difference between Russia and the siloviki oligarchy led by Putin. My problem is with the Putin system, which IMHO opinion is far worse than the worse leadership America has ever had (Bush & Cheney necon deluded cleptocracy)

As for Georgia defending its borders - you again show your complete ignorance of history.

Both Abkhazia and South Ossetia have been trying to be officially recognized as independent from Georgia since 1992.

c1lue you are repeating the lies of Putin propaganda. Get you facts straight. The russians are actively supporting these false "separatist" enclaves. Russia has tried to absorb South Ossetia, Abkasia and Adjaria since 1991.

What they did to Georgia is completely similar with what they did to Azerbaidjan and Moldova.
Read this for a start:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1991%E2...th_Ossetia_War

It is highly ironic that somehow Georgia can be accepted as a seceding state from the Soviet Union, but historically different peoples cannot be recognized as seceding from Georgia.

It is higly ironic that Russia supports South Ossetia and Abkhasia after they massacred the chechen and russian civilians and committed such terrible war crimes and atrocities in Chechenya. But i think it's very convenient to do that after they have actively supported the ethnic cleansing operations in both Abkhazia and South Ossetia.

Get your facts straight. Please read this
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_in_...n_the_conflict

and read this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethnic_...ns_in_Abkhazia



before repeating more Russian propaganda.

[makkie]

Re: Russia 'makes 1 bln dlrs' on Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac bonds: reports just in...

Back to the FM & FM topic:

here come the Chinese - and they are pissed:

Yu Yongding, a former adviser to China's central bank:

``If the U.S. government allows Fannie and Freddie to fail and international investors are not compensated adequately, the consequences will be catastrophic,'' Yu said in e-mailed answers to questions yesterday. ``If it is not the end of the world, it is the end of the current international financial system.''

Source:
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?p...d=aslo2E01QVFI

[phirang]

Re: Russia 'makes 1 bln dlrs' on Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac bonds: reports just in...

Back to the FM & FM topic:

here come the Chinese - and they are pissed:




Source:
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?p...d=aslo2E01QVFI

RIght, and so J6P taxpayer pays what, four times? Common, preferred, bond, and then the ABS' themselves.

Great time to be a broker!

[Supercilious]

Re: Russia 'makes 1 bln dlrs' on Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac bonds: reports just in...

RIght, and so J6P taxpayer pays what, four times? Common, preferred, bond, and then the ABS' themselves.

Great time to be a broker!

This may get even better than the chinese investment in Blackstone

[phirang]

Re: Russia 'makes 1 bln dlrs' on Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac bonds: reports just in...

This may get even better than the chinese investment in Blackstone

That was probably to get access to someone who knows someone who can get them 6-axis manufacturing tech or something...

[c1ue]

Re: Russia 'makes 1 bln dlrs' on Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac bonds: reports just in...

$#*,

Have you actually visited Russia? Or Eastern Europe?

I'm curious where your strong beliefs and statements come from. I visit Russia many times each year and have seen ZERO firsthand examples of anti-Semitism. I haven't spent much time in the Baltic Republics, but I do have close friends from 2 out of 3 of them.

Russians that I know are proud to be part of a strong nation again. Houses are being built, jobs and wages are increasing, and Russia is again a nation to be reckoned with - a leader on the world stage.

Anti-Semitism, real or imaginary, is not why Putin is popular in Russia.

In fact I challenge you to show exactly how Putin has been anti-Semitic.

Putin has publicly talked about sharing a communal apartment with a Jewish family in Moscow - i.e. sharing a bathroom. He had a Jewish wrestling coach. Medvedev - his chosen successor - is reputedly of partial Jewish descent.

He's even spoken at Auschwitz on what should have been learned from the Holocaust - hardly the position of a leader of an Anti Semitic government.

Again you appear to be spouting something read from somewhere, I just am curious where.

Yes, there is Anti-Semitism in Russia. And there is also Anti-Semitism here. But it is in the people, not of the government.

Russians are highly xenophobic in general - they consider Chechens to be 'blacks' despite a bunch of them winning gold medals for Russia in the Olympics - yet though I'm not Slavic nor Caucasian (in the American sense), I have never personally experienced any type of racist crap while over there.

No graffiti. No signs. No skinhead demonstrations. Of course, I'll freely admit that I spend most of my time in St. Petersburg and Moscow.

When I get drunk with the MVD dudes - they don't boast about beating up Jews, they talk about their military service time in Chechnya.

The only instances I can recall of anti-Semitism is when a few deputies from the Motherland and Communist parties put together a rant against Jews in the Duma.

As for the siloviki and Putin vs. the American equivalents, you can continue to believe that the US is different than Russia, that is your prerogative.

I on the other hand note the curious convergence of behavior towards Russia between the supposedly divergent McCain and Obama, furthermore how neither the foreign policy nor the fiscal policy of the US government has significantly shifted in decades despite the alternating Democrat and Republican administrations.

As for Abkhazia and South Ossetia - once again it is trivial to arbitrarily define some time point to base the original ownership.

Even you must acknowledge that Abkhazia and South Ossetia prior to 1990 was actually part of the Soviet Union, the predecessor government to today's Russia.

So while Georgia can say that Abkhazia and South Ossetia are part of it from when Georgia left the Soviet Union in 1991, I fail to see how inherently those territories are in any way 'Georgian' as opposed to 'South Ossetian' or whatever.

Of course the Georgians will then say they were independent prior to the Soviet Union, which is also true, but equally true is that Georgia was part of Czarist Russia before its 3 years of independence from 1918 to 1921. And part of the Persian and Ottoman empires before that.

You have to go back 1000+ years for any reasonably lengthy independent Georgia.

So I'm still confused as to why Abkhazia and South Ossetia are somehow defined as 'Georgia' as opposed to anything else.

For that matter, the American South and American Georgia was independent longer than most of Georgia's history prior to 1992. Why is it the military prevention of Southern state secession is ok for Lincoln? But not for Russia?

Even the supposedly neutral UN has been curiously uninterested in holding certified and independent referendums to determine South Ossetian and Abkhazian views on independence, but was happy to hold said referendums posthaste in Kosovo.

As for your views on Poles and other Eastern Europeans - besides the fact that they've always been small fish in the big European pond, how are their views different than the American Indians? Sure, they've got casinos now, but the 200 years before the last decade sure weren't very good for them. I wonder how the Cherokee and other Native American tribes feel about their positions under the United States' umbrella.

I'm sure they also have lots of nice things to say about their American overlords.

[Supercilious]

Re: Russia 'makes 1 bln dlrs' on Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac bonds: reports just in...

Russians that I know are proud to be part of a strong nation again. Houses are being built, jobs and wages are increasing, and Russia is again a nation to be reckoned with - a leader on the world stage.
[...]
When I get drunk with the MVD dudes - they don't boast about beating up Jews, they talk about their military service time in Chechnya.

c1lue, I've travel in the area extensively even before the fall of the Iron curtain. Actually as it happened I was passing through Tiraspol when the cossak "volunteers" started shooting and the 14th army joined the fight (in order to maintain the "peace" of course) and I've seen more than I wanted to see.

Before trying to get a job as an anchor with Russia Today please read carefully what I wrote without twisting my words. Try to find the truth for yourself from independent sources. If you don't want to do that just have another votka with your good buddies from MVD and listen to the stories about their glorious service in Chechnya.

[metalman]

Re: Russia 'makes 1 bln dlrs' on Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac bonds: reports just in...

c1lue, I've travel in the area extensively even before the fall of the Iron curtain. Actually as it happened I was passing through Tiraspol when the cossak "volunteers" started shooting and the 14th army joined the fight (in order to maintain the "peace" of course) and I've seen more than I wanted to see.

Before trying to get a job as an anchor with Russia Today please read carefully what I wrote without twisting my words. Try to find the truth for yourself from independent sources. If you don't want to do that just have another votka with your good buddies from MVD and listen to the stories about their glorious service in Chechnya.

reading you guys taking shots at each other, i'm learning a lot. have no idea who is 'right' or 'wrong' but you both are darned credible.

[Supercilious]

Re: Russia 'makes 1 bln dlrs' on Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac bonds: reports just in...

reading you guys taking shots at each other, i'm learning a lot.

Ok c1lue our plan worked. Continue to pretend you are my opponent. Now let start talking about the oil bubble