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    http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5i...DpsLwD92IMAU02

    Russia: Poland risks attack because of US missiles
    1 hour ago

    MOSCOW (AP) — A top Russian general said Friday that Poland's agreement to accept a U.S. missile defense battery exposes ex-communist nation to attack, possibly by nuclear weapons, the Interfax news agency reported.

    The statement by Gen. Anatoly Nogovitsyn is the strongest threat that Russia has issued against the plans to put missile defense elements in former Soviet satellite nations.

    Poland and the United States on Thursday signed a deal for Poland to accept a missile interceptor base as part of a system the United States says is aimed at blocking attacks by rogue nations. Moscow, however, feels it is aimed at Russia's missile force.

    "Poland, by deploying (the system) is exposing itself to a strike — 100 percent," Nogovitsyn, the deputy chief of staff, was quoted as saying.

    He added, in clear reference to the agreement, that Russia's military doctrine sanctions the use of nuclear weapons "against the allies of countries having nuclear weapons if they in some way help them." Nogovitsyn that would include elements of strategic deterrence systems, he said, according to Interfax.

    U.S. officials have said the timing of the deal was not meant to antagonize Russian leaders at a time when relations already are strained over the recent fighting between Russia and Georgia over the South Ossetia region.

  • #2
    Re: Russia: Poland risks attack because of US missiles

    Back in the Cold War again... as if we ever left...

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    • #3
      Re: Russia: Poland risks attack because of US missiles

      Things were too complicated when Russia wasn't an overt enemy...

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      • #4
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        More irony: Kennedy is a hero for playing chicken with Kruschev over missiles on its border in Cuba.

        But Russia is the bad guy for opposing US anti-missile systems on its border.

        I wonder if the US would be opposed to Russia having a second go at missiles in Cuba - this time being called 'anti-missile defense'.

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        • #5
          Re: Russia: Poland risks attack because of US missiles

          Originally posted by olivegreen View Post
          Back in the Cold War again... as if we ever left...
          but during the cold war there wasn't much trade to disrupt. the theory was that global trade prevents war... the so-called mcdonald's theory that nations with mcdonald's chains won't fight the usa. really it means that when war happens the economic damage is bad.

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          • #6
            Re: Russia: Poland risks attack because of US missiles

            Originally posted by metalman View Post
            but during the cold war there wasn't much trade to disrupt. the theory was that global trade prevents war... the so-called mcdonald's theory that nations with mcdonald's chains won't fight the usa. really it means that when war happens the economic damage is bad.
            France was germany's #1 trade partner prior to WWII.

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            • #7
              Re: Russia: Poland risks attack because of US missiles

              Originally posted by phirang View Post
              France was germany's #1 trade partner prior to WWII.
              and the usa and the uk were the primary sources of investment in germany before ww2... don't forget The Three Great Lost Lessons

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              • #8
                Re: Russia: Poland risks attack because of US missiles

                Originally posted by c1ue View Post
                More irony: Kennedy is a hero for playing chicken with Kruschev over missiles on its border in Cuba.

                But Russia is the bad guy for opposing US anti-missile systems on its border.

                I wonder if the US would be opposed to Russia having a second go at missiles in Cuba - this time being called 'anti-missile defense'.
                My concern is that we have Putin and Bush/Cheney playing the Kennedy and Khrushchev roles, respectively. Doesn't bode well for a peaceful outcome, or for a good outcome for us.

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                • #9
                  Re: Russia: Poland risks attack because of US missiles

                  Brzezinski in

                  ZBIGNIEW BRZEZINSKI: We have exercised our power to insist on elections in Palestine, which Hamas did win. Once they won, we then engaged in a policy not only of ostracism, but by financial boycott, in effect of undermining it, and creating more tension and radicalism and poverty in Gaza, which was susceptible to exploitation by Hamas.
                  Could we have done otherwise? Hamas refused to recognize Israel, but it is also a fact that it declared a cease-fire, which is a kind of a de facto accommodation to an existing reality. I think it would have been wiser to pursue a policy of exploring the degree of flexibility, of dealing with them, trying to expand the cease-fire into some sort of security negotiations, and then eventually move towards recognition. I think the boycott, the ostracism, contributed to this climate, which is now exploding into escalating violence.So I think we're at a very critical stage, and I am personally very worried as to what might conceivably happen in the next 20 months. I'm more optimistic after 2008...

                  http://www.iht.com/articles/2007/06/...ose.php?page=5



                  If he is worried I am also as Bush Jr. is not a lucid thinker :-(

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                  • #10
                    Re: Russia: Poland risks attack because of US missiles

                    So in other words metalman, the russians see the US et al economic futures and are acting accordingly? We have more to lose than they do?

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                    • #11
                      Re: Russia: Poland risks attack because of US missiles

                      Originally posted by Shakespear View Post
                      Brzezinski in
                      http://www.iht.com/articles/2007/06/...ose.php?page=5

                      ZBIGNIEW BRZEZINSKI: [...] I think it would have been wiser to pursue a policy of exploring the degree of flexibility, of dealing with them, trying to expand the cease-fire into some sort of security negotiations, and then eventually move towards recognition [...].

                      If he is worried I am also as Bush Jr. is not a lucid thinker :-(
                      I am afraid, he is more lucid, than Pan Zbigniew. Remember PLO? Here is the sequence: recognize "moderate" PLO, that "recognized" Israel -> Conflict between PLO and HAMAS -> HAMAS takes over.

                      Now substitute HAMAS for PLO and HAMAS-2 for HAMAS, and you get another round, where HAMAS-2 takes over.

                      The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.
                      медведь

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                      • #12
                        Re: Russia: Poland risks attack because of US missiles

                        The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.
                        I would use that as a definition of what a Human is :-)

                        The timing of this Georgia Theater is rather interesting. OK, we know the standard ones, Olympics (keeps China out), Iran (see what will happen if you don't play or keep Russia busy and we do our think in Iran) etc.

                        How about the US Presidential elections? Scare the hell out of the population that the Bear is on the loose and that only a man with military ( temper that apparently has no limits) man can deal with it. McCane !!!!

                        Could this be a gift from Bush to McCane ?

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                        • #13
                          Re: Russia: Poland risks attack because of US missiles

                          I am glad that Poland has approved US missiles. Together with US radar in the Czech Republic, it will connect these countries even more to West (although NATO members already).

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                          • #14
                            Re: Russia: Poland risks attack because of US missiles

                            Originally posted by Honzajs119 View Post
                            I am glad that Poland has approved US missiles. Together with US radar in the Czech Republic, it will connect these countries even more to West (although NATO members already).

                            They got to, any further delay will risk Russian invasion like what happened in Georgia. The first mover advantage is very real.

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                            • #15
                              Re: Russia: Poland risks attack because of US missiles

                              Originally posted by touchring View Post
                              They got to, any further delay will risk Russian invasion like what happened in Georgia. The first mover advantage is very real.
                              I know, we in the Czech Republic have own experience with Russian invasion. 40th anniversary is next week...
                              That´s why I welcome radar in our country.

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