Russia vs West

[metalman]

Caucasus in crisis: Georgia invades rebel region

The Caucasus have descended into crisis after Georgian troops launched a full-scale military assault against Moscow-backed rebels in an attempt to wrest control of the breakaway region of South Ossetia.

By Adrian Blomfield in Moscow
Last Updated: 1:26AM BST 08 Aug 2008

Georgian military commanders confirmed an invasion began in the early hours of Friday morning, raising fears of a serious diplomatic crisis between the country's western allies and Moscow.

The United States swiftly called for calm, but appeared to apportion more blame on Moscow and the separatist forces it supports for taking the volatile region to the brink of war.

"We're urging Moscow to press South Ossetia's de facto leaders to stop firing," a US State department official said. "We're urging Tbilisi to maintain restraint."

Just hours after Mikheil Saaskashvili, Georgia's pro-western president, declared a unilateral ceasefire, his armed forces began an artillery barrage against Tskhinvali, the rebel capital.

[metalman]

Re: Won't help oil prices

War...

[Supercilious]

Re: Won't help oil prices

So ... we should see the oil prices going up ?

[FRED]

Re: Won't help oil prices

So ... we should see the oil prices going up ?

Agree in principle with MM's comment. However, oil prices did not start to rise until a few months after the Iraq War started. If this war develops into something that impacts Russian oil exports, either by constraining production or increasing domestic demand, that will figure into a future price rise. In any case, we are seeing another oil price correction now similar to the F to G correction from $60 to $45 in 2006, while the secular dollar decline takes a breather.

[metalman]

Re: Won't help oil prices

said it wouldn't help prices, not that it was going to knock 'em up. so far looks like a tempest in a teapot. neither usa nor nato are going to jump into this one so russia crushes it and life goes on.

[Mega]

Russia V USA

Yep, a Proxy war, place your bets, will the West get their pipeline or will Russia cut it off?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7548715.stm
Mike

[Supercilious]

Re: Russia V USA

Yep, a Proxy war, place your bets, will the West get their pipeline or will Russia cut it off?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7548715.stm
Mike

This is Transnistria 2 but with a twist because there are oil pipes in the region. Here is a good background of how the west sees the situation:

http://jamestown.org/edm/article.php?article_id=2373298

[Mega]

Re: Russia vs West

What do you think of this Metal Man?
http://europebusines.blogspot.com/20...-for-iran.html
Mike

[Supercilious]

Re: Russia vs West

What do you think of this Metal Man?
http://europebusines.blogspot.com/20...-for-iran.html
Mike

That is idiotic stalinist propaganda Mega. If the russians believe that nonsenses they deserve slavery under Putin:

I laughed reading:

The Russian Navy this spring sent a major battle fleet into the Mediterranean headed by the modern aircraft carrier the Admiral Kuznetsov and the flagship of its Black Sea Fleet, the Guided Missile Heavy Cruiser Moskva. This powerful fleet has at least 11 surface ships and unknown numbers of subs and can use the Russian naval facility at Syria's Tartous port for resupply

How do those "modern" ships are supposed to get from the Black Sea into the Gulf? Through Dardaneles Straits that are controlled by Turkey (a NATO country).

That idiotic site has even the usual antisemitic KGB propaganda :

DEBKA, the Israeli strategy and military site, states that Israeli military officers are advising the Georgian armed forces in combat operations and that 1,000 Israelis are in-combat on the side of Georgia at this time.

Yup the jews are killing russians ... maybe Czar Putin can start a new pogrom ... Gimme a break

[Mega]

Re: Russia vs West

Its all GOOD Fun...................Personaly i hold off till "Lydon" has his say (Sure he will).
Mike

[GRG55]

Re: Won't help oil prices

So ... we should see the oil prices going up ?

Half the people in the USA, likely including Congress and those brilliant boyz on Wall Street, probably think that a "war in Georgia" means the Confederacy must be trying to rise again. :rolleyes:

[Rajiv]

Re: Russia vs West

Georgia Lost

WRAPUP 11-Georgia calls for ceasefire in South Ossetia

* Georgia calls for ceasefire
* Bush calls Russian attacks dangerous escalation
* Putin says Russian action is legitimate
* Medvedev says Georgians must withdraw

By Matt Robinson
TIRDZNISI, Georgia, Aug 9 (Reuters) - Georgia called for a ceasefire on Saturday after Russian bombers widened an offensive to force back Georgian troops seeking control over the breakaway region of South Ossetia.

The call seemed to fall on deaf ears, with Russia's leaders saying Moscow's actions were legitimate and that the only way to end the conflict was for Georgia to pull back from the region.

Russia said it had seized the rebel capital, Tskhinvali, but Georgia denied the claim on the second day of fighting that also threatens oil and gas pipelines seen as crucial in the West. Continued...

[GRG55]

Re: Russia vs West

Georgia Lost

WRAPUP 11-Georgia calls for ceasefire in South Ossetia

How did they expect to "win"? Against Russia.

Georgia won't get any help from anyone as the US and European interests are to avoid any potential for the Russians to gain control over the BTC pipeline. Does anybody really think South Ossetia is not expendable in the circumstance?

[Mega]

Re: Russia vs West

Not sure what we are seeing here?
Mike

[Rajiv]

Re: Russia vs West

Not sure what we are seeing here?
Mike

"The Great Game" being played out!

The term "Great Game" has no currency in Russian and Soviet historiography. In retrospect, it appears to have been a rather one-sided affair resulting from Victorian Imperialism and Russophobia