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    The First National Bank of Arizona, along with 1st National Bank of Nevada and First Heritage Bank N.A.), have joined IndyMac in the recent string of failed banking institutions.

    Thanks to the Glass-Steagall Act of 1933, savers in American banks today believe that their accounts were insured by the FDIC up to $100,000. While this is true, the FDIC has only a limited capacity to make depositors' losses good. With only a 1.2% ratio of insurance reserves to deposits, clearly a single large bank or further small bank failures will wipe out the FDIC's reserves.


    On a recent iTulip thread, some recently advocated the Under-the-Sealy or the First-Rose-Garden banks. If you're not ready to find a hiding place in your home for your cash, you will want to find a safe bank. You could, if you had the time and expertise, visit banks in your neighborhood and examine their books until you found one with an acceptable loan to deposits ratio. Most of us need an easier way to identify a good bank.

    Here's how.
    1. Follow this link: http://www.thestreet.com
    2. Select: Portfoliio and Tools," then select "Banks and Thrifts Screener."
    3. Select your state and "A" ratings and look for banks with this rating that are not in an inconvenient location (from where you live).
    4. Withdraw your money from the lower-rated bank and deposit in a new account with the top-rated bank (hopefully, A or A-, but obviously you'll be better off in a "B" range bank than a C, D, or F bank).

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    Re: Bank Safety Now More Important Than Yield or Convenience

    Thanks for your post. Unfortunately I get a "this feature not compatible with your browser" message on thestreet.com's bank & thrift screener.

    However, as it happens, I did happen to search recently for a local bank that is in good shape and disconnected from "The Troubles". I relied a lot on BankRate.com for my research. So there is another resource other than thestreet.com.

    I believe I saw a posting somewhere here on itulip that Eric Janszen did some writing for BankRate.com and respects the integrity of its data.

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      Re: Bank Safety Now More Important Than Yield or Convenience

      Originally posted by pianodoctor View Post
      Thanks for your post. Unfortunately I get a "this feature not compatible with your browser" message on thestreet.com's bank & thrift screener.

      However, as it happens, I did happen to search recently for a local bank that is in good shape and disconnected from "The Troubles". I relied a lot on BankRate.com for my research. So there is another resource other than thestreet.com.

      I believe I saw a posting somewhere here on itulip that Eric Janszen did some writing for BankRate.com and respects the integrity of its data.
      PD, you didn't mention which browser you're using. Microsoft Explorer hangs on the bank and thrift screener; but you'll find it works fine with Mozilla Firefox. IMHO, it's probably worth your time to download Firefox for this alone. <click for download site>

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        Re: Bank Safety Now More Important Than Yield or Convenience

        Originally posted by Verrocchio View Post
        PD, you didn't mention which browser you're using. Microsoft Explorer hangs on the bank and thrift screener; but you'll find it works fine with Mozilla Firefox. IMHO, it's probably worth your time to download Firefox for this alone. <click for download site>
        How about credit unions? Are they likely to be any safer? I'm thinking they would likely have less exposure to the real estate market.

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          Re: Bank Safety Now More Important Than Yield or Convenience

          I am worried about my money too. I have a savings account that I recently moved to the Banque Postale in France based partially on this:

          http://tropicalbear.over-blog.com/pa...s_-607349.html

          For those that don’t read French it says, among other things, that the Banque Postale is the safest bank in the world. If we are living in an age when even Wall Street stalwarts such as Bear Stearns can be fed to the wolves what bank is safe? Winter recommends we watch the texas ratio:

          http://wallstreetexaminer.com/blogs/winter/?p=1803

          Maybe a bank is just not a safe place to be today. What about foreign government bonds? gold bars stuffed in the mattress?

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          • #6
            Re: Bank Safety Now More Important Than Yield or Convenience

            see Mish today about bankrate:
            http://globaleconomicanalysis.blogsp...rating-of.html


            Originally posted by pianodoctor View Post
            Thanks for your post. Unfortunately I get a "this feature not compatible with your browser" message on thestreet.com's bank & thrift screener.

            However, as it happens, I did happen to search recently for a local bank that is in good shape and disconnected from "The Troubles". I relied a lot on BankRate.com for my research. So there is another resource other than thestreet.com.

            I believe I saw a posting somewhere here on itulip that Eric Janszen did some writing for BankRate.com and respects the integrity of its data.

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              Re: Bank Safety Now More Important Than Yield or Convenience

              Originally posted by Verrocchio View Post
              PD, you didn't mention which browser you're using. Microsoft Explorer hangs on the bank and thrift screener; but you'll find it works fine with Mozilla Firefox. IMHO, it's probably worth your time to download Firefox for this alone. <click for download site>
              Thanks, but I do have Firefox. However, it's for Mac, so perhaps that is the problem.

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                Re: Bank Safety Now More Important Than Yield or Convenience

                I assumed BankRate ratings alone are not a perfect predictor. I read all the underlying details I could find on the banks I was considering. The highest rating for what was local to me was actually Citibank- but I didn't really want to bank there. The (small local) bank I chose was "4 star", not "5 star" like Citibank, but I was able to determine they had no home mortgage exposure at all, and no bad-mortgage-related paper at all in their portfolio. No nonperforming loans at all, and other signs of prudent, smart management. They are capitalized well in excess of the regulatory definition of 'well-capitalized' and have exceptional asset quality as well as 15 consecutive quarters of profitability.

                So to me, it is a matter of gathering and digesting as much info as I could get- BankRate being a good tool, but I didn't rely on the rating alone.

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                • #9
                  Re: Martin Weiss used to do a bank safety rating

                  http://groups.google.com/group/aiii/...470a1516923ccc

                  I don't know what's happened to it -a (very) quick search didn't find it, instead the search results are swamped by Weiss's new slew of investment letters.

                  I bet it's still around, if you have more than a few seconds to search

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                  • #10
                    Re: Bank Safety Now More Important Than Yield or Convenience

                    In my area, the highest rated banks are in small wealthy areas and are small themselves. I've also noticed that the higher rated institutions pay less interest on deposits. It's almost a 100% correlation!

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                      Re: Bank Safety Now More Important Than Yield or Convenience

                      globaleconomiccollapse, I wouldn't rule out gold bars under the mattress as a safer place than certain banks for some of your hard-earned wealth. On the other hand, most of us need a bank to hold our money for paying bills, depositing payroll and dividend checks, and as a repository for the 2-3 months cash on hand, etc.

                      Pianodoctor, heed globaleconomiccollapse's warning about the BankRate Safe and Sound ratings that is found on Mish's site. The BankRate "Safe and Sound" rating for First Heritage Bank in Newport Beach, CA, was three stars on July 26, 2008. This bank was closed by the Office of the Comptroller of the Currency and the FDIC was appointed receiver on July 25th.

                      Spartacus, I tracked down Weiss's bank safety ratings. He sold them to TheStreet.com. Information on how to locate and use them is in the initial post of this thread.

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                      • #12
                        Re: Bank Safety Now More Important Than Yield or Convenience

                        pianodoctor, looks as if you live in Carlsbad, CA. You may want to check out Mission Oaks National in Temecula, CA. It's an A- rated bank, according to TheStreet.com's screener.

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                          Re: Bank Safety Now More Important Than Yield or Convenience

                          Originally posted by zmas28 View Post
                          How about credit unions? Are they likely to be any safer? I'm thinking they would likely have less exposure to the real estate market.
                          I'm wondering about that myself. Don't know how it works in the US, but in Canada credit unions have separate deposit insurance systems outside of CDIC, I think at the provincial level. Now since credit unions tend to have a focus on local investment and the like, they might have less exposure to the mess in the US- but I don't know. I'm fairly confident in the credit union I use, but I would like to know more.

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                          • #14
                            Re: Bank Safety Now More Important Than Yield or Convenience

                            Originally posted by Verrocchio View Post
                            pianodoctor, looks as if you live in Carlsbad, CA. You may want to check out Mission Oaks National in Temecula, CA. It's an A- rated bank, according to TheStreet.com's screener.
                            Thanks for doing the lookup, but Temecula is an hour drive inland from me. I am actually on the border of Encinitas, literally.

                            I do take heed of Mish's warning. I know BankRate is not perfect.

                            Since I can't see TheStreet's research tool, if it's convenient for you, could you look up what it says about San Diego Trust Bank?

                            Thanks

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                              Re: Bank Safety Now More Important Than Yield or Convenience

                              Originally posted by kingcopper View Post
                              In my area, the highest rated banks are in small wealthy areas and are small themselves. I've also noticed that the higher rated institutions pay less interest on deposits. It's almost a 100% correlation!
                              I noticed this correlation as well. Before delving into this, I hadn't realized how unusual the 3%+ I have been getting on savings at WaMu (online) was. I'm giving up hundreds of dollars a year interest to move my savings to a more prudent bank, actually.

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