Kiwi's will lead new enery revolution: carbon monoxide into fuel !

[ASH]

Re: Kiwi's will lead new enery revolution: carbon monoxide into fuel !

Are you referring to the US?

Of which time period?

What part about Bush/Clinton/Bush sounds democratic? Or that almost every President going back umpteen years went to one of a dozen elite colleges?

Have you ever looked at the familial histories of 90% of all standing US Senators?

If you're going to drink the Kool-Aid, at least know it is spiked beforehand.

C1ue: I was primarily talking about police and military personnel. For instance, when I get stopped for a speeding violation, it is because I was actually speeding, and when the officer writes me a ticket, he doesn't hint that I should offer him a bribe to make the ticket go away. The police don't show up at my place of work and "fine" the owner for "violations" unless we're actually breaking the law, and even then, the individual police officers don't pocket the fines. Also, the military doesn't endorse political candidates, and it is not the military that resolves disputed elections. Neither does the military overturn laws or domestic political outcomes, nor does it sponsor particular political parties or dynastic families.

You are talking about the larger civilian power structure. I see the same problems you do. But compare our situation to one in which the men with guns are in it for themselves -- or a favored leader -- and I think you may prefer the First World way. Anyway, we're talking about the root causes of societal disfunction and misery here -- you can't argue that the first world doesn't live better than the third world. In my opinion, how the police and military behave is part of the reason why.

[ASH]

Re: Kiwi's will lead new energy revolution: carbon monoxide into fuel !

ASH: My initial reaction was exactly the same, which is why I posted the tongue-in-cheek "perpetual motion" automobile response. But other than Mega and yourself, I'm not sure anyone else caught on.

For those still pondering, here's another idea. Why doesn't someone (like maybe GM?) build a battery powered car with a small wind turbine on it. Then while the car is in motion the wind powered generator could charge up the batteries and the car would never ever have to be plugged in...:rolleyes:

My father used to tell me about kids drawing cars with bigger tires rear than forward, so that the vehicle would always be "driving downhill".

[ASH]

Re: Kiwi's will lead new enery revolution: carbon monoxide into fuel !

Its developers hope the new fuel will slash the country's petrol consumption by 90 per cent.

The fuel could be mixed with petrol in a 90 per cent biofuel blend, cutting reliance on traditional fuels.

They are talking replacing 90% of petrol in NZ!

I'm not sure if we can trust the estimates of the people who are trying to sell the technology. It sure sounds to me that they are making the argument that since the biofuel can be mixed 9:1 with petrol, then a 1-to-1 replacement of petrol with the 9:1 mix would end up cutting petrol consumption by 90%. This assumes (1) that NZ industry is presently wasting so much fuel in its factories that the energy value of the waste is equal to that of its petrol consumption. This also assumes a 1:1 replacement of petrol with biofuel, and I'm pretty sure the energy density of the biofuel is lower.

[c1ue]

Re: Kiwi's will lead new enery revolution: carbon monoxide into fuel !

I was primarily talking about police and military personnel. For instance, when I get stopped for a speeding violation, it is because I was actually speeding, and when the officer writes me a ticket, he doesn't hint that I should offer him a bribe to make the ticket go away. The police don't show up at my place of work and "fine" the owner for "violations" unless we're actually breaking the law, and even then, the individual police officers don't pocket the fines. Also, the military doesn't endorse political candidates, and it is not the military that resolves disputed elections. Neither does the military overturn laws or domestic political outcomes, nor does it sponsor particular political parties or dynastic families.

First of all, let me say that the majority of all firemen/policemen/military personnel I have known are fine upstanding citizens, as are most people.

Having said that - how honest will they be if their pay fails to keep up with rapid inflation?

Already in expensive areas like SF - it is extremely difficult for young service people to afford homes (much like teachers, etc).

It is easy to be honest when you don't need the bribe to survive.

For countries where government had failed - Russia in 1996 as an example - while it does not excuse the practice, I could totally understand why policemen would accept hard money in return for not giving out speeding tickets. Food for the family vs. sending someone to an equally economically challenged court system.

We'll see how intrinsically more honest Americans are should times really get tough.

[icm63]

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.."As far as fuel from CO goes, you are correct. Better to built a more efficient engine."..

TRUE, no point making fuel out of your car exhaust, but what about fuel from industry exhaust ( factories, plants, etc). That was the jist of this project.

[mesyn191]

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He already addressed that. It only gets as much fuel out of the waste as is wasted, so in order to get large amounts of ethanol with this process you need a reeeeealy shitty engine, otherwise your yields will probably be miniscule which is self defeating. IOW this is a niche process, kinda neat but it aint' gonna change the world.

I always get a kick out of Thermal Depolymerization though, they can turn anything made of carbon just about into oil, even people!! Our prisons sure are jammed packed here in the US aren't they...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thermal_depolymerization

[metalman]

Re: Kiwi's will lead new enery revolution: carbon monoxide into fuel !

He already addressed that. It only gets as much fuel out of the waste as is wasted, so in order to get large amounts of ethanol with this process you need a reeeeealy shitty engine, otherwise your yields will probably be miniscule which is self defeating. IOW this is a niche process, kinda neat but it aint' gonna change the world.

I always get a kick out of Thermal Depolymerization though, they can turn anything made of carbon just about into oil, even people!! Our prisons sure are jammed packed here in the US aren't they...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thermal_depolymerization

we have previously recommended that the best way for congress to address the us energy crisis is for senators and reps to agree to be rendered and refined into 73 gallons of regular grade gasoline.

[GRG55]

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we have previously recommended that the best way for congress to address the us energy crisis is for senators and reps to agree to be rendered and refined into 73 gallons of regular grade gasoline.

And once again that's the problem with you Americans. Short sighted energy policies, with short term solutions. Adopting this recommendation once again puts the US on a path of dependence on a finite resource for its transportation fuel. There's only 100 Senators and 435 in Congress. :p