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  • Drivers putting less gas in tank, then running out

    By MICHAEL RUBINKAM Associated Press Writer

    Brent Saba had just dropped a church group off at Philadelphia International Airport on Sunday morning and was heading north on Interstate 95 when it happened: His 15-passenger van ran out of gas.

    Saba, a 24-year-old church pastor, made it to the shoulder just past the Ben Franklin Bridge and waited more than 30 minutes for someone to stop and lend him a cell phone. Then he waited a while longer for AAA to arrive with fuel.

    With gas prices hovering at $4 a gallon, motorists like Saba are putting less fuel in their tanks—then coming up empty on the highway.
    Though national statistics on out-of-gas motorists don't exist, there's plenty of anecdotal evidence that drivers unwilling or unable to fill 'er up are gambling by keeping their tanks extremely low on fuel.

    In the Philadelphia area, where the average price for a gallon of regular broke $4 on Friday, calls from out-of-gas AAA members doubled between May 2007 and May 2008, from 81 to 161, the auto club reported.

    "The number one reason is they can't stretch their money out from week to week," said Gary Siley, the AAA mobile technician who helped Saba.

    "Some of them are embarrassed. ... They say, 'I was trying to make it till Friday,' and they couldn't do it," said Siley, who has assisted numerous out-of-gas motorists.

    Saba blames himself for not paying enough attention to the fuel gauge, saying he doesn't normally let the tank get so low. But he said the spiraling cost of gas has led the church to reduce its use of the fuel-guzzling van.

    And when he does get gas, he puts in only a half-tank.

    "If the prices were lower, I'd probably just fill it up," Saba said.

    Research from The Nielsen Co. shows that drivers have been making more frequent trips to the pump but limiting how much they put in the tank.

    Convenience stores, which sell about 80 percent of the nation's gas, are seeing fewer fill-ups, said industry spokesman Jeff Lenard.

    "When the pump hits a certain dollar amount now, you're seeing more customers stop," said Lenard, with the National Association of Convenience Stores. "They're purchasing fewer gallons."

    And that means playing Russian roulette with the gas gauge.

    In Dallas, Courtesy Patrol—a roadside assistance program operated by the sheriff's department—reports a doubling in the number of daily fuel calls from stranded motorists in recent months. Sheriff Lupe Valdez herself recently came to the aid of a mother and her two children who had run out of gas along an interstate.

    In some cases, motorists have gotten stuck in the middle of the highway, creating a dangerous situation, said Lonnie Lankford, a Courtesy Patrol shift leader. "It's just breaking the backs of the people, these gas prices," he said.

    Transportation officials in Oregon and Tennessee also report increasing numbers of stranded motorists in need of gas.

    AAA Mid-Atlantic, which has nearly 4 million members in Delaware, Maryland, New Jersey, Pennsylvania, Virginia and the District of Columbia, reported a 15 percent year-over-year increase in calls from members with empty tanks.

    "We're seeing a lot of frustrated motorists who are trying to cut corners, and this is one way they're doing it," said AAA Mid-Atlantic spokesman Catherine Rossi. "But they're shooting themselves in the foot, or the wallet, in the long run."

    That's because perpetually running on fumes can damage a car's fuel pump—requiring repairs that make a full tank of $4 gas seem like a bargain.

    As for Saba, he was just thankful he made it back to North Philadelphia in time for his 11:30 a.m. church service.

    "What I was thinking to myself was, at least the weather's nice," he said. "It was beautiful outside and that made things a lot better."

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    Re: Drivers putting less gas in tank, then running out

    Ok, this is entirely heartless and I apologize in advance but... if you can't even scrape together enough money to fill up your gas tank all the way, maybe you should be taking the bus?:confused:

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    • #3
      Re: Drivers putting less gas in tank, then running out

      This is idiotic, how on earth does one save fuel by partially filling up a gas tank? Avoiding the weight of a full tank may help, but I doubt that would be much.

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      • #4
        Re: Drivers putting less gas in tank, then running out

        mfyahya, it is completely insane. The price is rising by five cents every 12 hours! You might as will fill up and use that "relatively cheap" gas for as long as possible.

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        • #5
          Re: Drivers putting less gas in tank, then running out

          Originally posted by babbittd View Post
          mfyahya, it is completely insane. The price is rising by five cents every 12 hours! You might as will fill up and use that "relatively cheap" gas for as long as possible.
          "This is like deja vu all over again"
          -- Yogi Berra --

          For anyone here old enough to remember the oil crises of the 1970's, this article is like going back in time.

          The next thing that happened in the '70's is that people started carrying small jerry cans of gasoline in the trunk of their cars, just in case they ran out. After a few well publicized rear-end collisions where the jerry can ruptured* precipitating the incineration of the wreckage, police departments all over the US and Canada started a taxpayer-funded "anti-stupidity" education campaign to discourage such behaviour.

          Note: Owners of a Pinto could experience the same effect without the supplemental jerry can.

          * back then jerry cans were mostly made of sheet metal, not impact-resistant poly.

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          • #6
            Re: Drivers putting less gas in tank, then running out

            ah yes, I remember those days- commuting on weekends to visit my fiancee. I had a Datsun B210 hatchback, but I would carry a can so I could make it back home on Sunday evenings (when all the gas stations were closed!)

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            • #7
              Re: Drivers putting less gas in tank, then running out

              Originally posted by GRG55 View Post
              "Owners of a Pinto could experience the same effect without the supplemental jerry can. .
              A lot of people may only have heard apocryphal tales of this era, known as the "Jimmycarter-Pleistocene" epoch. Dinosaurs roamed the earth in those days, Walter Kronkite hadn't even yet thrown in the towel, Ted Koppel was a freshfaced kid on the evening news, and the waiting lines at gasoline stations were a favorite place where Americans got to display their spirit of enlightened brotherhood and unfailing courtesy. They were famous worldwide, for their gentle, altruistic and civilized behavior when under stress. Sometimes they'd even pile out of their idled flintstones-cars to engage in wistful hand-holding songfests, singing and swaying to "Kumbaya" (pterodactyls circling overhead in storm-reddened skies gazing down on such displays in astonishment).
              Last edited by Contemptuous; June 02, 2008, 12:06 PM.

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              • #8
                Re: Drivers putting less gas in tank, then running out

                Originally posted by Lukester View Post
                A lot of people may only have heard apocryphal tales of this era, known as the "Jimmycarter-Pleistocene" epoch. Dinosaurs roamed the earth in those days, Walter Kronkite hadn't even yet thrown in the towel, Ted Koppel was a freshfaced kid on the evening news, and the waiting lines at gasoline stations were a favorite place where Americans got to display their spirit of enlightened brotherhood and unfailing courtesy. They were famous worldwide, for their gentle, altruistic and civilized behavior when under stress. Sometimes they even all piled out of their idled cars and would have hand-holding songfests, singing and swaying to "Kumbaya" (pterodactyls circling overhead in storm-reddened skies gazing down on their behavior in astonishment).
                start making friends with your local gas station owner. figure out what he... his wife and kids need and will take in trade in an emergency so you can get gasoline.

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                • #9
                  Re: Drivers putting less gas in tank, then running out

                  Occasionally one of the Pterodactyls would need a snack, so they'd have to pick off some of the mangy American stragglers in the long lines stretching around the block at those prehistoric American Kumbayaa gasoline cue songfests. They tended to prefer the Pinto-drivers because the car was light so even a mid-sized pterodactyl could sweep an antire Pinto off the ground with the Kumbayaa wailing family still inside it. Although this may seem gruesome to our modern sensibility it's not really, as it's just "nature's way" of imposing ecological balance via population control. Nowadays we have "land-Pterodactyls" of the genus "Pterodactylus_Nickersoniensis" campaigning for eugenic legislation so the flying Pterodactyls' of yore aren't needed any more, but that's just progress. This is why our contemporary era is considered "more modern".

                  Originally posted by Lukester View Post
                  A lot of people may only have heard apocryphal tales of this era, known as the "Jimmycarter-Pleistocene" epoch. Dinosaurs roamed the earth in those days, Walter Kronkite hadn't even yet thrown in the towel, Ted Koppel was a freshfaced kid on the evening news, and the waiting lines at gasoline stations were a favorite place where Americans got to display their spirit of enlightened brotherhood and unfailing courtesy. They were famous worldwide, for their gentle, altruistic and civilized behavior when under stress. Sometimes they'd even pile out of their idled flintstones-cars to engage in wistful hand-holding songfests, singing and swaying to "Kumbaya" (pterodactyls circling overhead in storm-reddened skies gazing down on such displays in astonishment).
                  The red-crested, eugenics-enforcing "baby-snatcher bird" Pterodactylus_Nickersoniensis, in the wild.

                  PTERODACTYLUS_NICKERSONIENSIS_BABY_SNATCHER.jpg
                  Last edited by Contemptuous; June 02, 2008, 02:31 PM.

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                  • #10
                    Re: Drivers putting less gas in tank, then running out

                    Why didn't GOD come down and fill his tank?
                    Mike

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                    • #11
                      Re: Drivers putting less gas in tank, then running out

                      Originally posted by Mega View Post
                      Why didn't GOD come down and fill his tank?
                      Mike
                      Silly boy. Don't you know GOD rides a mountain bike?

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                      • #12
                        Re: Drivers putting less gas in tank, then running out

                        Originally posted by Lukester View Post
                        Occasionally one of the Pterodactyls would need a snack, so they'd have to pick off some of the mangy American stragglers in the long lines stretching around the block at those prehistoric American Kumbayaa gasoline cue songfests. They tended to prefer the Pinto-drivers because the car was light so even a mid-sized pterodactyl could sweep an antire Pinto off the ground with the Kumbayaa wailing family still inside it. Although this may seem gruesome to our modern sensibility it's not really, as it's just "nature's way" of imposing ecological balance via population control. Nowadays we have "land-Pterodactyls" of the genus "Pterodactylus_Nickersoniensis" campaigning for eugenic legislation so the flying Pterodactyls' of yore aren't needed any more, but that's just progress. This is why our contemporary era is considered "more modern".
                        Ahhh. Population control methods during a time of resource shortage. Isn't there another thread around here discussing that topic?

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                        • #13
                          Re: Drivers putting less gas in tank, then running out

                          I often no longer fill up for the simple reason that a full tank is often above the $50 or $75 self-service limit on the pump. The most convenient station for me takes forever to clear after fueling so I rarely wait to do another round for the last 5 gallons. I with they would just make the max 25 gallons, rather than $ based.

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                          • #14
                            Re: Drivers putting less gas in tank, then running out

                            Originally posted by SeanO View Post
                            I often no longer fill up for the simple reason that a full tank is often above the $50 or $75 self-service limit on the pump. The most convenient station for me takes forever to clear after fueling so I rarely wait to do another round for the last 5 gallons. I with they would just make the max 25 gallons, rather than $ based.
                            Can't they just check the credit limit? If I have a card with a $5K limit and a $4,500 balance, why can't I fill 'er up for $100?
                            Ed.

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                            • #15
                              Re: Drivers putting less gas in tank, then running out

                              Originally posted by FRED View Post
                              Can't they just check the credit limit? If I have a card with a $5K limit and a $4,500 balance, why can't I fill 'er up for $100?

                              That action would require a living, breathing, thinking human being.

                              CC pump transactions proceed in the following fashion (I might fudge a few details - blame my declining memory):

                              1) After swiping the card, a $200 "hold" charge is transacted.

                              2) You pump your gas & go on your way

                              3) Usually within 24 hours, the CC back-office receives data dumps of the day's receipts from the gas station. These transactions are matched against the initial "hold" charges, reconciled for the actual amount, and the hold charge cancelled.

                              You can test this by taking a card that's almost maxed (within $50 of the limit), and swipe it at a pump. It will be declined automatically due to the hold charge exceeding the credit limit.

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